39Mustang Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Speaking of mark ups there are some auto dealers not Ford dealerships selling the 2011 Shelby GT350 all used by the way at a price not only above the sticker price but way above what Ford will be asking for the 2016 GT350... And they wonder why they haven't sold them yet I'm looking for one yes but will I pay $10-$15k more than actual build cost, my Mom didn't raise an idiot and I wasn't born yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra99 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 The Ford GT was the car that taught dealers about ADMs. That learning carried forward to the GT500 and then to the Shelby GT. Not really there were ADMs on the 2003 Cobras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Wasn't it just a few months back that a Chrysler dealership got blasted all over the internet for marking up a Hellcat to around $200k ? You would think this Ford dealership would not want the same wrath directed at them. Steve From what I understand Chrysler has taken steps to stop this nonsense.. Because of the high demand for the Hellcat each dealer gets one at a time and if the car sits on the lot for more than a couple of weeks they don't get any more allocations. The logic being either the car is pre-sold and will be gone or someone will snap it up at MSRP if it's available. A friend of mine has two on order with different dealerships due to the long lead times and both were happy to take the order with the understanding he will take which ever one that can provide delivery first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Large Dodge dealers in the west are "selling" their hellcats at a markup to smaller dealers around the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I've always marveled at the PT Cruiser and Mazda Miata ADM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) I've always marveled at the PT Cruiser and Mazda Miata ADM's. The PT cruiser was a wonderful little car, we almost bought one but they stopped making it. Our friends had one - it was comfortable, a back seat I could sit in, and a good little city car. Edited April 3, 2015 by twobjshelbys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 The PT cruiser was a wonderful little car, we almost bought one but they stopped making it. Our friends had one - it was comfortable, a back seat I could sit in, and a good little city car. Tony, talk to ANYONE that owns one, and has had it for the long haul.... Huge POS! Loads of problems, none of which are less important than the serious cooling issues they have. That front nose did not allow for proper cooling. Especially in hotter climates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Tony, talk to ANYONE that owns one, and has had it for the long haul.... Huge POS! Loads of problems, none of which are less important than the serious cooling issues they have. That front nose did not allow for proper cooling. Especially in hotter climates. Not to get to far out of topic, but ours gave us not a single problem through 130K miles when the timing belt broke. But after I changed that, no issues, not a single one. Sold at 140K miles to get our Jeep Commander. Just standard oil changes, brakes, etc. Normal wear items. It was also a first year car. It was crazy how much ADM's most dealers were getting on these, and that was long before the FGT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IASHELBYGT Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I spoke to my local dealer yesterday, very small dealership and asked him if he was getting an allocation for a new GT350. He thought he was, and I told him I was interested, but only at MSRP or below. He said he would work with me, but we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Tony, talk to ANYONE that owns one, and has had it for the long haul.... Huge POS! Loads of problems, none of which are less important than the serious cooling issues they have. That front nose did not allow for proper cooling. Especially in hotter climates. Our friends was 11 years old (2004, same year as my truck), in Vegas to boot. No issues whatsoever. We tried to buy it for our daughter but she didn't want an old person's car. As with all things "your mileage may vary". Edited April 3, 2015 by twobjshelbys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I spoke to my local dealer yesterday, very small dealership and asked him if he was getting an allocation for a new GT350. He thought he was, and I told him I was interested, but only at MSRP or below. He said he would work with me, but we'll see It was stated that any Ford dealer that wanted a car would get at least one all they had to do was fill out the paperwork. Now the GT350 was like the GT500-there was a fixed "program" fee. So if the dealer only gets one, he may want to (in the form of an ADM) pass along that program fee. Tell him he sold one and can get another and try to pass it on to someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 There are some dealers that mark-up the cars so NOT to sell instead using them as halo cars to bring in foot traffic. Guy comes in to look at the 350 and the salesman talks him into a GT. if someone actually does cough up the ADM great but having the car in the showroom can be a huge draw and opportunity to sell something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Chrysler just sorta "fixed" their ADM nightmare on the HellCats... I like the idea too. Dealers will get one and until it's sold, they will NOT get another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Before someone else says it, YES, there'll be stealers finding ways around it, I'm sure. I just said "the idea" was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Large Dodge dealers in the west are "selling" their hellcats at a markup to smaller dealers around the country. Local dealer near me has a HC Charger for $129.9k....ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Bogdanich Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Is that for a 4pack ? Edited April 8, 2015 by Boris Bogdanich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Ouch for sure- my local dealer "only" wanted $80k for theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoChris Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I've been away from the Ford Factory for sometime. However in the old days after 90 days on the lot, the car hits the dealer's 'floor plan' and he has to pay interest on the loan to inventory the cars. Given money is still pretty cheap some of these dealers can afford to sit on these cars. The 'average guy' can't really afford these cars and a guy 'with money' can wait it out; a game of chicken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I have no problem waiting 2 years till they can be had at sticker everywhere...... also want to see how that flat plane crank stands up to consumer torture (use)........... beautiful car.... Ford really nailed it....... jeez, even my wife wants one..... here we go again....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 It should be against the law to be able to charge an ADM. The dealers are already getting a profit on the unit, & then go & say I need $10,000 just to stick in my pocket , I know what some of you will say, you don`t have to buy it but that's not the point Ford should not allow it. jm2cts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In (America anyway) Jim....that's how our system works. Supply vs. demand. Right wrong or otherwise..... That said, I happen to agree with you 100%. But, the "free market" system works like that...always has, always will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmcmotorworks Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 As with anything, "The market sets the price"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Alibi 2 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 As long as there are stupid people, there will be ADM's. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markham51 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 If i was a dealer I would argue that if it is fair to give a discount (when demand is weak) then it should be fair to charge more (when demand is high). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 If i was a dealer I would argue that if it is fair to give a discount (when demand is weak) then it should be fair to charge more (when demand is high). I did it at my bike store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 As long as there are stupid people, there will be ADM's. . As long as there are rich people there will be ADMs. To a rich person, a few extra thousand dollars for a new car is nothing. Unfortunately, money talks and we walk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I did it at my bike store. You were a "stealership" too??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIKEBOY Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 You were a "stealership" too??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I look at the GT350 as the 2007 GT500 and those ADM's ...not a very good investment! :-) There is so much more this car can and will be. Like the 2007 GT500 vs. the 2014 GT500 I'm waiting a few more years and see what Ford comes up with before I move to the new car. I can wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmcmotorworks Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 As long as there are stupid people, there will be ADM's. . Hey! I pay ADM's when I want a car bad enough. I must be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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