WJinLV Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 EDR: Event Data Recorder as in the black box that records your speed, driving habits and info that happens just before a wreck? Its a double edged sword when Big Brother is watching. It can help you if the other driver claims they were not speeding before a wreck....but how many of us Shelby owners always obey speed limits? Ive read that they are now installed at the factory in about 96% of cars. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/06/black-boxes-cars-edr/1566098/ Here is a list of cars in 2013: http://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/Event_Data_Recorder.pdf Most major car makers or included. (Porsche not on list!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07gt500conv Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 So how do we disconnect it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJinLV Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 So how do we disconnect it?? Dont know. Ive read that disconnecting it also disconnects your airbag which isnt to your benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Tip of the iceberg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glroy Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I do not believe you want to disconnect it but rather destroy the EEPROM after the event has occurred. It seems to write if there is an event that the airbags don't go off. If the airbags go off it writes a permanent record to the chip 5 sec before and 5 seconds after. Some say it could voice record cabin conversations through SYNC. You cannot use a magnetic field to erase it. My thoughts are these chips are written by 3 or 5 volt electricity; My thought would be to run 12 volt power to the unit after the event. I think that might fry the chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I do not believe you want to disconnect it but rather destroy the EEPROM after the event has occurred. It seems to write if there is an event that the airbags don't go off. If the airbags go off it writes a permanent record to the chip 5 sec before and 5 seconds after. Some say it could voice record cabin conversations through SYNC. You cannot use a magnetic field to erase it. My thoughts are these chips are written by 3 or 5 volt electricity; My thought would be to run 12 volt power to the unit after the event. I think that might fry the chip. PROM = Programmable READ ONLY Memory EPROM = Erasable Programable Read Only Memory EEPROM = Electronically Erasable Programable Memory. It wouldn't store that kind of information in a ROM, it would be in a RAM (Random Access Memory, i.e. "writeable"). To erase a PROM you can use a PROM reader/writer. To erase a EPROM, it takes a light source. There is a small window in the chip that allows the light to erase it. To erase a EEPROM, a PROM reader or eraser is used. And yes, over voltage would wipe the memory out, and destroy the chip itself. RAM can be erased by taking the power source away and grounding the power and ground terminals to eliminate any capacitance stored in the chip. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glroy Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 here is my source for the EEPROM http://www.crashspeed.com/airbag_control_module.htm . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 It's flash guys. You're not going to erase it even if you could get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 RAM can be erased by taking the power source away and grounding the power and ground terminals to eliminate any capacitance stored in the chip. Phill Unless, of course, it is battery backed... These guys are clever. Sledge hammers and fire might work but you're not going to erase it unless you know the part and the design (and like I said, assuming you can even get to it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I guess it's inevitable these days. Just don't crash and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 There are other issues here. Assuming you have a major crash, and the car is totaled, it is no longer your car, it belongs to the insurance company. You would be tampering with their vehicle at that point. And if there is a very serious crash with a fatality or a very serious injury it may be construed as tampering with evidence. Anyway you look at it with a serious crash the vehicle is going to be towed somewhere and you would have to gain access to the vehicle to somehow perform the erasure. And again, tampering with evidence is criminal, a road you don't want to go down. And it would look bad for you in criminal court and in civil court to have to admit you were wiping the system. You would have to answer why you were doing this and you would say........well, I didn't want you to know I was going about 150 + at the time of the accident. I don't like it either but it is part of today. And besides, one of the 30,000+ future drones in the US probably captured you on camera. Or the FBI/CIA listened in on your cell phone call where you told your best bud you were going 150 and had just shut down a Camaro when the accident occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJinLV Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Right! You cant tamper with the module after the fact. Any attempt to disengage it must be done before any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 07sgt, Exactly...well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsnut Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Here's an idea, probably not a very popular one, use some common sense on the road and save the crazy stuff for the track. Flame away! Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Here's an idea, probably not a very popular one, use some common sense on the road and save the crazy stuff for the track. Flame away! Chip <!GASP!> Why, THE NERVE!!! Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Here's an idea, probably not a very popular one, use some common sense on the road and save the crazy stuff for the track. Flame away! Chip Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 The box forces people to be responsible for their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.barton Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Here's an idea, probably not a very popular one, use some common sense on the road and save the crazy stuff for the track. Flame away! Chip Common sense. What a novel concept. I thought that went the way of the Dodo bird. The box forces people to be responsible for their actions. Another novel concept, personal responsibility. Oh, and for the conspiracy minded, I am sure that it saves the auto companies money on attorneys' fees........... On a slightly perverted side note: Has anyone thought about getting one of those Progressive Insurance things that plug into the ODB II port and taking it to a track day? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsnut Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Common sense. What a novel concept. I thought that went the way of the Dodo bird. Another novel concept, personal responsibility. Oh, and for the conspiracy minded, I am sure that it saves the auto companies money on attorneys' fees........... On a slightly perverted side note: Has anyone thought about getting one of those Progressive Insurance things that plug into the ODB II port and taking it to a track day? Mark Wait until you have to have one of those things plugged in just to get insurance coverage. Now that is going to piss me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Johnston Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Be careful how you drive and who you drive. NSA might be recording! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasThunder Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 From what I have heard, It can't be removed "legally" due to the fact that it is intergraded through your ECU. If you have a minor wreck in most likely will not be used, and only the insurance companies and police may obtain information from them. Long story short another way to make you pay for something you don't need, or can use to your advantage in traffic court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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