Super snake price finally released for 2013!!!

[glroy]

Yeah man, I am not buying that garbage either. You can do much better for less. I can't afford it really. I could probably stretch myself to afford it, but not worht it. Either way, it is sad that the value isn't there for me, but I don't see ANYTHING wrong with having a COMLETELY stock 2013 GT500, and that is what I am setting out to do.... Ok maybe the hood struts only.

 

 

Yea Right just the hood struts LOL

[05mustangman]

The Wilwood brakes are far superior to the Baer brakes, how many Nascar cars do you see with Baer brakes?

 

 

 

So because Nascar doesn't use Baer's that makes Wilwoods far superior? Have you had any experience with the new wilwoods compared to the Baers extremes? Just wondering what makes them FAR superior for only half the price.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

I was actually thinking of the Shelby H/E from a S1000 would be the best product, because it is larger than the standard H/E in a GT500SS from everything I've read to date

 

 

Don't bet the farm on that....\

 

I asked Robert Lane directly what the difference was between the "hi-po" Shelby (C&R) and the standard Revan/Shelby C&R because the pics they have on the SPP site are *identical*. He said he would find out.....and never did give a answer.

 

I don't know where svt13 gets his information from that the new OEM HE is better than the C&R but I personally haven't heard anything of the sort. I know the '13 Intercooler is larger and less restrictive than the previous model IC's but I haven't heard anything about the Heat Exchanger being *better* than the Revan Racing R&D'd C&R HE. It is bigger than the previous years, but not than the C&R (at least not from what I know) AND the OEM HE doen't have dual pull-through fans and dual pass technology. The intercooler system PUMP is much better and wll likely be a popular retrofit upgrade but the HE itself?

 

Not that I know of. I'm waiting to see what svt13 can come up with.

 

 

Phill

[2010KonaBlueGT]

I don't think Phil needs to explain...........EL SHELBY is 100% correct. "Shelby has, and is, designing and developing their own parts.

 

 

Up until *just* recently, that statement would have been more false than true (the, "Shelby HAS" part of your statement).

 

Just off the top of my head, the only parts I can think of that "Shelby made (or "developed")" prior to recent offerings were the "Super Snake" dash gauge pods, hoods and quarter window scoops. Possibly the SS front splitter but even that may be a more recent exclusive part.

 

They just recently developed (if you want to call copying the Ford SVT Boss 302 trans cooling scoop 'developing') the transmission cooling scoop, rear shock tower brace and the yet to be released oil separator (also a copy of other products). I may have missed one or two items but in short, VERY little was "made by" Shelby (and yes, I know THEY don't actually mfgr. those parts but they are exclusive to SA).

 

There are a couple of other more recent parts I'm sure I'm missing but basically, they have been re-badging aftermarket parts and calling them Shelby items. They *did* work closely with Scott Drake but they were still rebadged Drake parts they sold and you could get the same parts from Drake sans Shelby badging.

 

Recent events actually point to the fact that Shelby didn't design the Super Snake and KR Alcoa wheels! (see the patent pdf file showing Alcoa owns the patent to the design AND mfg. process).

 

 

Phill

[robertlane]

All,

 

I added the press release to a separate page, which can be found here.

[svt13]

Don't bet the farm on that....\

 

I asked Robert Lane directly what the difference was between the "hi-po" Shelby (C&R) and the standard Revan/Shelby C&R because the pics they have on the SPP site are *identical*. He said he would find out.....and never did give a answer.

 

I don't know where svt13 gets his information from that the new OEM HE is better than the C&R but I personally haven't heard anything of the sort. I know the '13 Intercooler is larger and less restrictive than the previous model IC's but I haven't heard anything about the Heat Exchanger being *better* than the Revan Racing R&D'd C&R HE. It is bigger than the previous years, but not than the C&R (at least not from what I know) AND the OEM HE doen't have dual pull-through fans and dual pass technology. The intercooler system PUMP is much better and wll likely be a popular retrofit upgrade but the HE itself?

 

Not that I know of. I'm waiting to see what svt13 can come up with.

 

 

Phill

 

 

Well simple solution to this problem. Someone call Van and ask him. Last I was told by someone else that they said they talked to Van and he said the stock stuff is better than aftermarket stuff.

[EL SHELBY]

 

 

Up until *just* recently, that statement would have been more false than true (the, "Shelby HAS" part of your statement).

 

 

 

I would hardly call it 'false'. No distinction was made between appearance and performance parts. Shelby America has been developing parts since the 60's. More recently many of the parts produced have been more appearance oriented but Shelby has developed performance parts for the modern Mustangs since '06 with the CS6 and Terligua. Namely the functional deep draw hood, the rear brake cooling ducts (which may not have been made available until '08 with the '07 Super Snake), and side exhaust which was developed with Borla. Since then there have been a smattering of both performance and appearance parts.

 

And if we are going claim that Shelby 'copied' the BOSS trans scoop then we might as well say that C&R 'copied' every rad and H/E made prior. They just made a few changes to make it more efficent, just like Shelby did with the Trans scoop.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

I would hardly call it 'false'.

 

 

Reread my statement. I did not say it was *false*.

 

I said that up until recently, your statement (i.e. "Shelby has been (and is) designing their own parts") it would be MORE false, THAN TRUE.

 

I did not however take into account the far past with Shelby's first venture in the classic car market (mid-60's). I'm only speaking towards the new Shelby (SAI and SA) and I will admit that I was thinking more along the lines of the GT500 than the Shelby GT's, Terlinquia's, etc. as I'm really not too familiar with them. Nor am I overly familiar with what Shelby did or did not R&D on the classic cars such as the GT350 and/or GT500's.

 

I would however be interested in hearing about this "smattering of both performance and appearance parts" you write of (that Shelby designed and manufactured)....

 

 

Phill

[Imatk]

Isn't there a brake out there that when I press it makes me feel like my head is going to go thru the windshield? Then we will know its better lol.

 

 

Yeah I mean speaking from what is "better" as far as brakes, at this point the better would come from how long they last before fade occurs.

 

But like I wrote before you'll not likely find that out unless you track the car.

 

Otherwise I'm fairly sure that both brake packages will stop the car within the same distance.

[svt13]

Yeah I mean speaking from what is "better" as far as brakes, at this point the better would come from how long they last before fade occurs.

 

But like I wrote before you'll not likely find that out unless you track the car.

 

Otherwise I'm fairly sure that both brake packages will stop the car within the same distance.

 

 

At that point I rather have brembos over wilwoods even if the willwoods look better. You would think the willwood woulds be more fade resistant due to being slotted and drilled

[Mr. Haney]

Slotting or cross drilling the rotor has nothing to do with brake cooling. It is done to keep material from the pads being deposited into the steel of the rotor. This keeps the rotors run out true and stops brake pulsation from material build up on the rotor. The slots and cross drilling are actually scraping a new surface on the pads to always expose clean pad material to the rotor, instead of the resins that are pulled to the surface of the pads due to heat on a standard rotor. The resins are what attach themselves to the rotor and cause run out.

[jnf]

They have another option for the SS. Or any other Shelby.

The wide body kit has been added to the options list. It was on a Grabber blue GTS that was on display there. ( sorry no pics )

Spoke with Gary Davis at Barrett Jackson yesterday.

The kit is now available for 2010 and up and includes fenders and quarter panels.

It also includes wheels and tires. Rears are 13's fronts are 10's.

Nice package and well constructed.

I am sure prices will be posted soon, although they did talk numbers at the show.

[mikeljgt500kr]

I would be interested in seeing what it looks like as I am in the process of ordering a 2013 GT350. I am afraid it might look like the cartoon type wheels some tuners put on Mustangs with flared fenders.

[jnf]

It is the same kit that is on the tribute car, the guardsman blue one.

Wheels are very deep dished.

Not as drastic of a wide body as the one GAS did.

[cobraracing]

Ok I retract the complete idiots comment and replace it with careless spenders. I'm just of the mentality that regardless of how much money I make, whether its 100k a year or 1 billion a year I wouldn't want to waste it. Maybe on a bugatti or huayra though

 

I don't think it is careless spenders, I don't have the money at this point in my life but if you have the "disposable income"to purchase this and it is what you like to spend your money on then so be it

I have seen so many gamblers spend this and more at the casinos and have nothing to show for it but if they can afford it then who I am I to critique their spending habits

 

Shelby is a business and as such must make a profit to stay in business, this is one of the many criteria for creating their pricing structure, R&D cost, materials, production, marketing, sales, etc and then the key is what the marketplace can support for price and availability

 

So don't hate the player, hate the game ......

[mikeljgt500kr]

The wide body kit is cool, here is a picture from the display car at BJ

[svt13]

The widebody kit is sooo ugly. It makes it look like a circus car.

[RogerS]

We woould like try to address the other concerns and clarify some of the topics brought up in this thread.

 

Just to clear the air on the HE and cooling package, credit where credit is due here; Van did most all of the heavy lifting and R&D on the initial cooling package with C&R. Having a working and personal relationship with Van he was instrumental in getting both Shelby and C&R together after his testing, product development work with C&R and practical application of the initial product. At the time we were in process of looking at other companies for cooling improvements who were in competition with C&R. Timing was perfect on this project for all parties.

 

From that point through final R&D for manufacturing purposes and production line installation all three parties worked through the final product. Van and I had many late night discussions on the direction of the product as well as the evolution of the system into the 4.6 L Shelby GT and mustangs. The Shelby American team worked through the installation and fitment R&D with Van and C&R for this application. All products are manufactured by C&R.

 

The product has evolved into Shelby American working with C&R on the increased cooling need for the Shelby 1000 application. While the radiator and tanks are similar the heat exchanger is a custom unit built to Shelby specifications after our R&D with Carroll over a 14 month timeframe. There are real documented results that this system increases cooling efficiency on the new 5.8L engines in both stock and modified configurations.

 

Regarding the 2013 Shelby GT 500 Super Snake development, Ford has made a very stout base vehicle for Shelby American to work with. This has always been the case. We improve performance in key areas. Our relationship with Ford Racing includes testing, consulting and ongoing feedback on a regular basis. Along with our vendors we are consistently searching for new and innovative product improvement. Whether it is springs, shocks, end links, shifters or exhausts the process is consistently in motion.

 

Prior to installation of parts all have been tested and reviewed for desired effect and performance improvement results. If it does not meet the desired effect we bring them back with our recommendations and suggestions and start all over again. There is a time in the process where we then develop our own parts, from fabrication through testing and final application. We may then take that product to vendors for production. Some of the final product would be a combination of many items we may have already tested but are unable to have manufactured due to the limited run of the part and not cost effective for the vendor.

 

The content of the Super Snake was decided by current owners and feedback from the Shelby Forums. Many people have contacted our sales department through direct phone calls to several e-mails suggesting a package that would not affect warranty and also stating the 662 HP was more than enough. All of this feedback is considered over weekly management staff meetings with all departments weighing in on the how it directly affects their department. Finance, production, sales, SPP and marketing all have a say. Based on that feedback and meetings we arrived at a two tier offering this year for the Super Snake.

 

The first takes into consideration the stock HP ratings while making improvement on prior offerings. With wheel manufacturing being a long term issue and evolution in design having an impact wheels have changed. So too has the raw cost of producing the new wheel. The new wheel is of a 3 piece design formed out of solid billets of aluminum with our widths and offsets. We increased the rear wheel size to 11” and also have conducted several tests on tires and have made Michelin our tire of choice for the Super Snake. The new wheel also meets TUV standards in Europe, which is an ever growing Shelby American market. Cost to us is over double of the existing wheel which does not meet TUV standards. This is now standard equipment. Additional cost is over $1,600. As a caveat Carroll did approve of the wheels.

 

The rear brake upgrade is standard vs. a $3,000 option on the 2012 and older reservation forms. The choice of Wilwood vs. Baer is simply one of ease of use. Both manufactures make a great product. Shelby owners who track their cars love the ease of brake pad changes by pulling 2 pins and sliding out the pads for replacement vs. removal of the entire caliper. Changing your pads will have a greater effect on braking than the brand of brake calipers selected. Upgrading the braking system addresses the media concerns of brake fade. Though much of brake fade is determined by the driver, the addition of the brake upgrade package does have a performance advantage of the stock system.

 

For 2013 there is also a spring upgrade which lowers the center of gravity of the vehicle while retaining all of the functionality of the ride control system

 

The cooling package is now also standard vs. a $3,000 option on the 2012 and older reservation forms. This system also addresses the concerns of heat soak under extreme conditions. At idle we have significant engine compartment temperature reductions without flowing air.

 

The performance version will include the Shelby/Ford Racing Whipple 4.0 L supercharger which will make 850 + HP for those who need it. This product is currently in development for Shelby American’s application.

 

Styling and visual cues have also played an important part of content. As there is no “magical black plastic” in the rocker and rear fascia lower body lines the design team did not want to disrupt the flowing lines of color from the rockers rearward. It is a much cleaner look. Our exhaust was custom designed by Borla who had our proto-type 13 GT500 for over a week for R&D perfecting fit, bends, exhaust tips and finally tuning the sound.

 

Our base vehicles have risen in price from Ford Motor Co. from 2007 through 2013 and looking back at our structure and past pricing we have not flowed through all costs over the 6 year run. We have changed policy on take-off parts to help offset some of the cost and pricing has remained the same for the last 4 years as our raw cost and business cost rise.

 

We realize the passion of our consumers and this forum provides a voice. We hope this answers some of the questions or explains some of our decisions. We will continue to find common applications through our product lines to integrate more parts into existing platforms and have dedicated a position of VP of SPP who is dedicated to the brand and parts R&D. We will continue to apply Carroll’s play book over the coming years. He has provided the vision and has people in place to execute that vision. We hope you join us on our journey forward.

 

Thank you for your continued support of the Shelby Brand.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

[svt13]

We woould like try to address the other concerns and clarify some of the topics brought up in this thread.

 

Just to clear the air on the HE and cooling package, credit where credit is due here; Van did most all of the heavy lifting and R&D on the initial cooling package with C&R. Having a working and personal relationship with Van he was instrumental in getting both Shelby and C&R together after his testing, product development work with C&R and practical application of the initial product. At the time we were in process of looking at other companies for cooling improvements who were in competition with C&R. Timing was perfect on this project for all parties.

 

From that point through final R&D for manufacturing purposes and production line installation all three parties worked through the final product. Van and I had many late night discussions on the direction of the product as well as the evolution of the system into the 4.6 L Shelby GT and mustangs. The Shelby American team worked through the installation and fitment R&D with Van and C&R for this application. All products are manufactured by C&R.

 

The product has evolved into Shelby American working with C&R on the increased cooling need for the Shelby 1000 application. While the radiator and tanks are similar the heat exchanger is a custom unit built to Shelby specifications after our R&D with Carroll over a 14 month timeframe. There are real documented results that this system increases cooling efficiency on the new 5.8L engines in both stock and modified configurations.

 

Regarding the 2013 Shelby GT 500 Super Snake development, Ford has made a very stout base vehicle for Shelby American to work with. This has always been the case. We improve performance in key areas. Our relationship with Ford Racing includes testing, consulting and ongoing feedback on a regular basis. Along with our vendors we are consistently searching for new and innovative product improvement. Whether it is springs, shocks, end links, shifters or exhausts the process is consistently in motion.

 

Prior to installation of parts all have been tested and reviewed for desired effect and performance improvement results. If it does not meet the desired effect we bring them back with our recommendations and suggestions and start all over again. There is a time in the process where we then develop our own parts, from fabrication through testing and final application. We may then take that product to vendors for production. Some of the final product would be a combination of many items we may have already tested but are unable to have manufactured due to the limited run of the part and not cost effective for the vendor.

 

The content of the Super Snake was decided by current owners and feedback from the Shelby Forums. Many people have contacted our sales department through direct phone calls to several e-mails suggesting a package that would not affect warranty and also stating the 662 HP was more than enough. All of this feedback is considered over weekly management staff meetings with all departments weighing in on the how it directly affects their department. Finance, production, sales, SPP and marketing all have a say. Based on that feedback and meetings we arrived at a two tier offering this year for the Super Snake.

 

The first takes into consideration the stock HP ratings while making improvement on prior offerings. With wheel manufacturing being a long term issue and evolution in design having an impact wheels have changed. So too has the raw cost of producing the new wheel. The new wheel is of a 3 piece design formed out of solid billets of aluminum with our widths and offsets. We increased the rear wheel size to 11” and also have conducted several tests on tires and have made Michelin our tire of choice for the Super Snake. The new wheel also meets TUV standards in Europe, which is an ever growing Shelby American market. Cost to us is over double of the existing wheel which does not meet TUV standards. This is now standard equipment. Additional cost is over $1,600. As a caveat Carroll did approve of the wheels.

 

The rear brake upgrade is standard vs. a $3,000 option on the 2012 and older reservation forms. The choice of Wilwood vs. Baer is simply one of ease of use. Both manufactures make a great product. Shelby owners who track their cars love the ease of brake pad changes by pulling 2 pins and sliding out the pads for replacement vs. removal of the entire caliper. Changing your pads will have a greater effect on braking than the brand of brake calipers selected. Upgrading the braking system addresses the media concerns of brake fade. Though much of brake fade is determined by the driver, the addition of the brake upgrade package does have a performance advantage of the stock system.

 

For 2013 there is also a spring upgrade which lowers the center of gravity of the vehicle while retaining all of the functionality of the ride control system

 

The cooling package is now also standard vs. a $3,000 option on the 2012 and older reservation forms. This system also addresses the concerns of heat soak under extreme conditions. At idle we have significant engine compartment temperature reductions without flowing air.

 

The performance version will include the Shelby/Ford Racing Whipple 4.0 L supercharger which will make 850 + HP for those who need it. This product is currently in development for Shelby American’s application.

 

Styling and visual cues have also played an important part of content. As there is no “magical black plastic” in the rocker and rear fascia lower body lines the design team did not want to disrupt the flowing lines of color from the rockers rearward. It is a much cleaner look. Our exhaust was custom designed by Borla who had our proto-type 13 GT500 for over a week for R&D perfecting fit, bends, exhaust tips and finally tuning the sound.

 

Our base vehicles have risen in price from Ford Motor Co. from 2007 through 2013 and looking back at our structure and past pricing we have not flowed through all costs over the 6 year run. We have changed policy on take-off parts to help offset some of the cost and pricing has remained the same for the last 4 years as our raw cost and business cost rise.

 

We realize the passion of our consumers and this forum provides a voice. We hope this answers some of the questions or explains some of our decisions. We will continue to find common applications through our product lines to integrate more parts into existing platforms and have dedicated a position of VP of SPP who is dedicated to the brand and parts R&D. We will continue to apply Carroll’s play book over the coming years. He has provided the vision and has people in place to execute that vision. We hope you join us on our journey forward.

 

Thank you for your continued support of the Shelby Brand.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was surprisingly a very good explanation Roger I think. Though if you could provide these documents that prove the cooling is in fact and upgrade, same as the brakes I think that would put a lot of doubt to rest. Plus then we'd all order these parts as well if we can see they are true upgrades.

 

Also how did you guys get the cooling tanks to fit? Van told me they don't fit on a 13 and doesn't know what you guys did to make them fit.

 

Though I still think 30k for a base package is nuts. If you did it for 20k I think you would have been better off. Then 30k for the extra power.

[RogerS]

The rep from C&R was at Shelby last Monday and they were discussing the installation of the tanks but I was not in on the conversation directly. I will need to find out and get back on that one.

 

The temps on the engine were done with insturmenation sensors we utilize through the laptop during our testing sessions prior to installation of the parts in like conditions we do data log all our testing sessions.

 

Hear you on pricing but we are also subject to supplier and economic inflations also. Would make it quite the package at your numbers though.

[svt13]

The rep from C&R was at Shelby last Monday and they were discussing the installation of the tanks but I was not in on the conversation directly. I will need to find out and get back on that one.

 

The temps on the engine were done with insturmenation sensors we utilize through the laptop during our testing sessions prior to installation of the parts in like conditions we do data log all our testing sessions.

 

Hear you on pricing but we are also subject to supplier and economic inflations also. Would make it quite the package at your numbers though.

 

 

It would. At 20k I would do it in a heart beat. I'm sure many other people would as well. I think the extra super snakes you would make at the lower price would offset your cost.

 

So then the supersnake H/E is the same one on the shelby 1000 that is for sale right now on SPP? But then the radiator is the same on as before?

 

But let me know about the coolant tanks because I wanted to order them till Van told me they wouldn't fit.

 

So what is the evidence for brakes being better than the new 13 brakes?

[RogerS]

Heat exchanger is a yes, radiator is a yes. We have another prototype we are working with that has not been converted at all. Testing is a comparison of the stock braking on the 13 vs. the Shelby 1000. Not really an exact comparison but data collection between both. Don't know the final result. I am on a short leave after a family member passed. Will get back when I return to Vegas.

 

Roger

[svt13]

Heat exchanger is a yes, radiator is a yes. We have another prototype we are working with that has not been converted at all. Testing is a comparison of the stock braking on the 13 vs. the Shelby 1000. Not really an exact comparison but data collection between both. Don't know the final result. I am on a short leave after a family member passed. Will get back when I return to Vegas.

 

Roger

 

 

Sorry for your loss and thank you I look foward to seeing the information.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

Re: New HE vs. Old HE

 

The product has evolved into Shelby American working with C&R on the increased cooling need for the Shelby 1000 application. While the radiator and tanks are similar the heat exchanger is a custom unit built to Shelby specifications after our R&D with Carroll over a 14 month timeframe. There are real documented results that this system increases cooling efficiency on the new 5.8L engines in both stock and modified configurations.

 

 

 

Roger,

 

What is the difference between the two heat exchangers? When the new one was first announced I asked Robert and told him that the pics on your SPP site show identical heat exchangers. He said he'd find out and never got back to us.

 

Can you tell us?

 

 

TIA,

Phill

[RogerS]

Phil,

 

It is size, capacity and fan size and draw. The HE is almost the frontal size of a standard radiator in most cars. I will need to follow up when I return to Vegas for exact specs.

 

Roger

[MY500SS]

Roger, I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of a family member. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

Phil,

It is size, capacity and fan size and draw. The HE is almost the frontal size of a standard radiator in most cars. I will need to follow up when I return to Vegas for exact specs.

Roger

 

 

Thank you Roger.

 

Take care of family before you take care of business!

 

Business comes and goes. Family is forever....

 

 

 

My condolences on your loss,

 

Phill

[svt13]

Thank you Roger.

 

Take care of family before you take care of business!

 

Business comes and goes. Family if forever....

 

 

 

My condolences on your loss,

 

Phill

 

+100000000

[jesselm]

The performance version will include the Shelby/Ford Racing Whipple 4.0 L supercharger which will make 850 + HP for those who need it. This product is currently in development for Shelby American’s application.

 

Roger

 

 

3.6L or 4.0L??

 

I've now seen the 3.6L supercharger listed as an option for the '13 SS, AND the above mentioned 4.0L. I'd love to know which size will actually be available for the '13 SS... A 5.8L + 4.0L =

Jesse

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RogerS]

 

 

3.6 Kenne Bell and 4.0 for the Ford Racing Whipple.

 

Roger