nojoke4true Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Does anybody know why SA tuned our cars so soft? It seems as though they stayed on the safe side instead of applying a more aggressive tune. My buddy has an 06 mustang gt auto, cold air, larger trottle body, sct tune from bama, and stoct 331 gears. But when I drove it....it felt like it had way more hp than my sgt. I did beat him at the track before he did his tune but now i think it would be a different story now. So my question is this...Retune with no other upgrades or leave it be until she's has an supercharger sittin on top of her? So with that said, can I expect another soft tune f\rom SA if they do the S/C install? Is there a such thing as an aggressive safe tune? Just tryin to get the most bang for my buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
americaniron Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 My Brother had Brenspeed give him a tune for his Shelby that really woke it up. It was a very noticable improvement, and that is his only mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Ford provided the tune. The tune had to catter to a large group of people, all with different driving expectations. It was a compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 And met 50 state emissions. I believe the tune is the same that comes with the GT CAI kit. Go for it. I've heard of up to 20HP more. You could probably find more by going to the regular Mustang forums and searching for topics on the FRPP CAI kit to see what custom tunes get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry T Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I have the Bama SCT tune and it changed the shift points and woke the car up nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Thanks guys for your imput. I guess there is no need to protect SA's tune anymore since it's out of warranty anyway. I see gears and a tune in my near future, so maybe I can keep up with the automatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiloGT Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Thanks for asking the question. I was wondering the same. Now I am going for the Gusto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank S Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I have the FRPP "Bullitt" CAI on both my cars, with the C.A.R.B.-exempt 50-state tune. It turned the stock engine into a decent performer. I also have the Bama SCT tunes for each. They really make a difference, particularly in the automatic convertible. When you use the SCT tuners they save whatever they find in the computer as the "stock" tune, so there is no danger of harming the Shelby GT tune when taking advantage of the added performance and driveability improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyGJ Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Do you think a JLT intake or Airaid intake with the Bama SCT tune and the 62mm throttle body would show some decent gains for the roughly 1200 buck if I did the install myself? I know I've asked this type of question before, but just trying to decide if it is worth the money to spend to keep me out of the SC purchase for a while. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Great info from you guys. I Just wish SA could've squeezed a couple more horses out of their tune....but I guess you have to leave some meat on the bone for the aftermarket companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 After about 1 year of the OEM Tune, I switched to a BrenSpeed tune w/SCT Tuner... Actually I got 3 tunes... 87 Octane for cruising long distances down the Highway... 92 Octane "Street" tune which was similar to the OEM Tune... And a 92 Octane "Track" tune that really made a difference in how the car performed... Finally added the Brembos & 4.10 gears about a year before I traded-in for the BOSS... One thing to keep in mind, is that NONE of these tunes will add that much HP... However, they do make the car more responsive and thereby more aggressive to drive out on the track... Very similar to having the TracKey Software installed from FRPP on a 2012-2013 BOSS 302... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Does anybody know why SA tuned our cars so soft? It seems as though they stayed on the safe side instead of applying a more aggressive tune. My buddy has an 06 mustang gt auto, cold air, larger trottle body, sct tune from bama, and stoct 331 gears. But when I drove it....it felt like it had way more hp than my sgt. I did beat him at the track before he did his tune but now i think it would be a different story now. So my question is this...Retune with no other upgrades or leave it be until she's has an supercharger sittin on top of her? So with that said, can I expect another soft tune f\rom SA if they do the S/C install? Is there a such thing as an aggressive safe tune? Just tryin to get the most bang for my buck. The tune that comes with the FR Whipple is perfect. Not sure if it is "soft", but my car is nasty now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance.316 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 After about 1 year of the OEM Tune, I switched to a BrenSpeed tune w/SCT Tuner... Actually I got 3 tunes... 87 Octane for cruising long distances down the Highway... 92 Octane "Street" tune which was similar to the OEM Tune... And a 92 Octane "Track" tune that really made a difference in how the car performed... Finally added the Brembos & 4.10 gears about a year before I traded-in for the BOSS... One thing to keep in mind, is that NONE of these tunes will add that much HP... However, they do make the car more responsive and thereby more aggressive to drive out on the track... Very similar to having the TracKey Software installed from FRPP on a 2012-2013 BOSS 302... I'm thinking of doing a retune to use 87 for my next road trip. How'd you retune? What did you use? And can you switch back and forth in the fly or is it a 90minute type tune? Any negative effects other than a couple less horses? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'm thinking of doing a retune to use 87 for my next road trip. How'd you retune? What did you use? And can you switch back and forth in the fly or is it a 90minute type tune? Any negative effects other than a couple less horses? Thanks As long as you are N/A and not planning to run it hard on the street, the 87 octane tune is just fine for the 4.6L in the SGT... Just make sure you run the tank as close to "E" before filling it up with 91+ and taking it back to the track... Using the SCT tuner you have to go thru the 10-min upload process to switch tunes... And yes, it is down a little in HP/TQ, but if you are just cruising down the highway for several hundred miles, then there is no reason to try and find 91-93 octane at every gas stop along the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Here is something to think about before having anyone tune your SGT. http://stangsunited....tune-read-this! Quote MultiQuote Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 That's great info, but how in the heck is anyone to know which tuner does it the 'correct' way without being an expert themselves? It's my understanding that Ford does not permit access to all of the adjustable parameters within the S197's Spanish Oak OS with the exception of Steeda who I believe helped Ford develop the Ford Racing cold air system and tune used on the SGT. I assume most if not all tuners have found work arounds, but I have no idea what kind if any impact a work around may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 After about 1 year of the OEM Tune, I switched to a BrenSpeed tune w/SCT Tuner... Actually I got 3 tunes... 87 Octane for cruising long distances down the Highway... 92 Octane "Street" tune which was similar to the OEM Tune... And a 92 Octane "Track" tune that really made a difference in how the car performed... Finally added the Brembos & 4.10 gears about a year before I traded-in for the BOSS... One thing to keep in mind, is that NONE of these tunes will add that much HP... However, they do make the car more responsive and thereby more aggressive to drive out on the track... Very similar to having the TracKey Software installed from FRPP on a 2012-2013 BOSS 302... Nice color combo on the BOSS and thanks for sharing your experience and knowlege on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Here is something to think about before having anyone tune your SGT. http://stangsunited....tune-read-this! Quote MultiQuote Edit Awesome breakdown on how this whole airflow thing works. Hmm I wonder how much NASA would charge to tune my car :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Nice color combo on the BOSS and thanks for sharing your experience and knowlege on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 That's great info, but how in the heck is anyone to know which tuner does it the 'correct' way without being an expert themselves? Ask the tuner. I know that the two "popular" tuners around the Team Shelby forums do NOT tune it the 'correct' way though. There is a long concise thread on this subject if you look for it. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Like it or not, there is a reason for the soft tune. It is engine longevity. Ford obviously found something between 2006 (the GT-H) and 2007 (the SGT) to detune the engine slightly. There must have been a reason. The GT-H was supposedly 325 and the SGT is supposedly 319. But again, yes you can increase power but where do you draw the line. Some engines are only like a hand grenade with the pin pulled and how long can you hold the spoon down. A conservative tune is less fun but will obviously last much longer. And we have to admit, Ford knows more about those engines that anyone else, including the after market tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Same engine with the FRPP Whipple S/C initially came out at 500 HP... Auto version was rated at 475... Then a year or so later FRPP upped it to 550 with the 5-speed... Wouldn't worry about "grenading" a 4.6L at 350 HP, unless you really, really mess up the tune... EDIT = If I remember correctly, the 2007 SGT was supposed to be rated at 325 HP, but came back at 319 after the EPA Certification process... Which was also when the "Gas Guzzler" Tax got tacked on to every SGT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I doudt Ford changed the tune. It's more likely that Ford had the engine certified by SAE. In '05 (I think) SAE introduced 'SAE Certified Power', which is completely voluntary for the OEMs. Several manufactures changed the ratings of their engines following the SAE Certified Power evaluations. Power ratings on some engines went up while other went down based simply on the evaluation by SAE as no changes to the engines were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 all good information but the only way to really know is for either Shelby or Ford to comment. Robert; are you there and do you or anyone else at SAI know for certain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 is what im thinkin. But who knows, they might surpise us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurgan Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 My opinion any 2 cars within 20HP of each other is going to be a driver's race anyway. I wouldn't set yourself up for the disappointment. If you're dead set on it anyway, at least take it to the track to see what you are running now. That is the only way you'll know if the tune improved the car's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Thanks to you guys and Brenspeed I fell back in love with my SGT all over again. Not that I ever fell out of love with her, its just that the new throttle response from the new tune is amazing. I am waiting for better weather to really see how much better this tune has made my car. I just hate it took me over 4yrs. to listen to you guys regarding tunes. Once again thanks for the input Team Shelby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyGJ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I just got the SCT-X3 from Steeda and had them build a tune for me using their upgraded Steeda Intake Elbow. Haven't had a chance to load it up yet, but waiting until I can get the emmissions updated first for the tag renewal, then change the tune....just to be safe!! Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbytexan Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks to you guys and Brenspeed I fell back in love with my SGT all over again. Not that I ever fell out of love with her, its just that the new throttle response from the new tune is amazing. I am waiting for better weather to really see how much better this tune has made my car. I just hate it took me over 4yrs. to listen to you guys regarding tunes. Once again thanks for the input Team Shelby. If you think the tune was a great improvement then you need to try the 410 gears.I've got both and the 410's do more for the car than any other mod except the whipple, and i have that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojoke4true Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 If you think the tune was a great improvement then you need to try the 410 gears.I've got both and the 410's do more for the car than any other mod except the whipple, and i have that now. I had my eye on those 410's of which you speak for a while now. I hope to be chating about how I love my 4:10's with you in the Spring if I pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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