EL SHELBY Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Kinsler Fuel Injection for a 4.6 3V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Kinsler Fuel Injection for a 4.6 3V. HOLY BEJEESUS.... Jer LIKEY. Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobradad Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 That is so cool. It looks like the weber carbs I had on my '67 mustang. The next best sound than the whine of a superchanger. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 holy shit.... I was JUST thinking how I'd like to build a '66 gt350r clone but use the modern drivetrain in it.... THAT injection would make it feel right to me.... wow... what's the pricing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hill Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 very cool !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Would have to call Kinsler for pricing. I'm wondering if it would be possible to pass emissions with it on an SGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I just emailed them, I will post up pricing if/when I hear back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 considering the ease of taking off the stock manifold, I don't think I'd worry about emissions, worse case scenario, a couple hours to swap it back to stock to get tested. damn that thing is bad ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEDEMAN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Now that is just sick looking, I really like it alot!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 click on this to see more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RmGardner Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 That is Awsome but would we be able to close the hood? Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 No idea if it would fit, I'm guess it depends on the length of the stacks. It may fit underneath the scoop if it has been cut open. Again, I'm only guessing. I've looked around at pricing for other Kinsler systems and prices run from $4-$6k. GAS installed a Kinsler set-up on the 69 mustang GT they built at SEMA in '09, and most recently Vaughn Gittin Jr. had a Kinsler set-up on the new 5.0 that was installed in his '69 RTR-X Mustang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 WOW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 No idea if it would fit, I'm guess it depends on the length of the stacks. It may fit underneath the scoop if it has been cut open. Again, I'm only guessing. I've looked around at pricing for other Kinsler systems and prices run from $4-$6k. GAS installed a Kinsler set-up on the 69 mustang GT they built at SEMA in '09, and most recently Vaughn Gittin Jr. had a Kinsler set-up on the new 5.0 that was installed in his '69 RTR-X Mustang. "READY TO ROCK", indeed! That's just beautiful... Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 $8,257.90 WOW! Here's the text from the quote sample that he sent me: KINSLER FUEL INJECTION Date: 1-22-10 1834 Thunderbird Troy, Michigan 48084 USA Tel (248) 362-1145 Fax (248) 362-1032 www.kinsler.com KINSLER MANIFOLD and Electronics for FORD MODULAR V8 ENGINE ============================================================================= Description Dealer Price Kinsler injection manifold assembly for Ford Modular V8 oval 3,601.55 port, standard port profile, 2 1/4" throttles, aluminum castings. Throttle shafts, bronze throttle shaft bushings, and butterflies. Cast aluminum top adapters with spun aluminum ram tubes. KFI bolt-on TPS boss for throttle position sensor. Universal nozzle boss adapters for EFI injectors. Includes shear plate for center valley on 4.6 or 5.4 engine. Manifold stands approximately 8.25” tall with 3.5” ram tubes. Pair of aluminum fuel rails with AN threaded ends, includes 522.60 6AN adapter fittings, stanchions, and bolt kit for mounting. Electronic engine management system, includes: ECU 2,210.20 Electronic control unit, model: Accel Gen VII+ system for fuel and EDIS spark control, and OEM style wiring harness. Includes software, manual, and communications cable. Coolant temperature sensor, air temperature sensor, throttle position sensor (TPS)#10682, manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor, manifold surface temperature sensor with billet mount, and 4 wire O2 sensor. (EDIS ignition not included, 8250 maximum RPM) (8) EFI injectors, #10155, 36 lb./hr., fuel up to ~600 HP @ 55 PSI. 423.20 Adjustable pressure relief valve, K-140 model with vacuum 453.85 reference and 6AN fittings. #12104, ~34-80 PSI adjustment range. “Monster Mesh” 10 micron fuel filter, 8AN male flare ends. 154.10 Includes spare replacement element. “Monster Mesh” Pump Protector inlet filter, 25 micron stainless 151.20 mesh element, with 8AN male flare ends. In-line Fuel pump, 12-volt, moderate pressure and volume, 235.20 Kinsler P.N.22002. Capable of supplying a 650 HP engine at 60 PSI. 8AN male flare inlet fitting and outlet fitting. Includes pump mounting kit, Kinsler P.N. 22008. Bosch LSU wide band exhaust gas oxygen sensor and signal 506.00 conditioning module with internal data logger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL: $ 8,257.90 CONTINUED ON PAGE #2 PRICES SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE File: EFIFord-MODULAR-V8-GenVII-10.DOC KINSLER FUEL INJECTION Date: 1-22-10 1834 Thunderbird Troy, Michigan 48084 USA Tel (248) 362-1145 Fax (248) 362-1032 www.kinsler.com KINSLER MANIFOLD and Electronics for FORD MODULAR V8 ENGINE ============================================================================= Description Dealer Price OPTIONS: Manifold Absolute Pressure Reference Log System, (for use on 307.85 individual runner manifolds), consists of: blue anodized billet log, quick-release adapter fittings for log and runners of manifold, and hose connecting. Includes labor for machining manifold for fittings. Idle Air Control log system; includes special 3AN x 1/16 pipe 471.05 fittings, billet aluminum distribution block, labor to drill, tap, and install fittings into manifold runners, and IAC motor with remote housing and air filter. (Custom hoses are ordered separately per application) Upgrade manifold assembly with 2.0” or 2 3/16” throttles for 139.25 improved throttle control on engines with less than ~500 H.P. Center-pull bell crank linkage kit; includes bell crank bearing, 282.85 arms, hex link assembly, hardware, and installation on center plate. ( For installation with “Over and Under” cross hex linkage ). Fuel pump, #10211, flows ~ 420 lbs./hr. at 50 PSI. Complete with 399.40 10AN inlet fitting and 8AN outlet one way check valve fitting. Pump mounting bracket, saddle type with (2) clamps and (3) 70.40 cushioned mounting holes. Base program ECU for customer's application off the flow bench. 472.40 Bench test ECU for operational integrity and base program ECU for 915.90 customer's application on the flow bench. “Swing Set” Linkage kit; for attachment to the center plate. 404.95 Includes billet ‘U’ stand with ball bearing shaft supports in each upright leg, throttle shaft, shaft stop, throttle rotational stop, throttle arms at each end with (2) hex rod assemblies that connect to the arms on the manifold end shafts. (This linkage allows equal opening of counter rotation throttle shafts and requires approximately 3.5” at the rear of the engine past the number 8 cylinder intake bolt.) *** NOTE **** Horsepower rated at 0.5 Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC). Systems may vary per application, please call regarding your specific needs. PRICES SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE File: EFIFord-MODULAR-V8-GenVII-10.DOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbydream1 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 HOLY BEJEESUS.... Jer LIKEY. Jer ME TOO!!!!! Wow, that would be really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted May 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 The ECU is where the money is at for this set-up. I'm sure it could be purchased without but I wouldn't be certain the stock mustang ECU could run the motor with this injection system. It may require a piggy-back ECU. Definitely not plug-n-play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 yeah, i'm guessing you are right, but i've asked if the factory ecu can be tuned for it. I wasn't thinking about the controlling of 8 little t/b's when I asked, so probably gotta have the new ecu. pricey toy for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 click on this to see more! I think that car was in MM & FF a while back. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RmGardner Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 No idea if it would fit, I'm guess it depends on the length of the stacks. It may fit underneath the scoop if it has been cut open. Again, I'm only guessing. I've looked around at pricing for other Kinsler systems and prices run from $4-$6k. GAS installed a Kinsler set-up on the 69 mustang GT they built at SEMA in '09, and most recently Vaughn Gittin Jr. had a Kinsler set-up on the new 5.0 that was installed in his '69 RTR-X Mustang. That looks great. Get a removable scoop so people can see it. Been teasing the wife about betting a supercharger but I would rather have that. Than I have a reason to open my hood. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMORINE Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 any hp benifit? honestly if it doesnt ad hp its just a shinny toy......looks pretty dang cool though. getting ready to start a 3v build....will consider it if i can use methanol injection with it (91 octane doesnt like 12:1 compression without meth...) current plans will have the motor eclipse 480 hp NA...because i can all NAsty all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Whoa... Changes out the engine control unit for an Accel DFI system. My experience with that was not exemplary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMORINE Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Whoa... Changes out the engine control unit for an Accel DFI system. My experience with that was not exemplary. what happened? im not familiar with that system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 what happened? im not familiar with that system It's the system in my Cobra which I spent the better part of two years and almost $12K getting running. Very complex set of adjustments. Interactions between different operations are present but not well documented. Finally, altitude compensation is essential if you do in fact change altitude, and only can be performed by testing at altitude. I would not take any modern engine and change the ECU from one to another. Looks pretty, but scary. Will they guarantee it will pass emissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Looks pretty, but scary. You nailed it there! Pretty sure it's a challenge to tune. I think of old Ferraris when I see it. 'Nuff said! But modern tuning and ECU technology have made some of these systems pretty bulletproof. I wonder. As for the scoop, I wonder if Chip Beck's ever worked in Lexan? THAT might be interesting. Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't know jack when it comes to tuning via a computer but with any system I've had tuned the weakest link was typically the guy pushing buttons and not the system. Not saying you are wrong concerning Accel, I just know it takes a wizard to do it quickly and effectively. I met a guy last weekend who swears by Motec. He had just finished a twin turbo GT500 where he piggy-backed the Motec on top of the stock ECU effectively fooling the stock ECU into thinking it was running the motor which was actually being run by the Motec. I have no idea if thats the wisest way to do it but it gave him full access to all of the engines sensors and management that a tune thru the stock (spanish oak) ECU does not. Basically all the stock ECU was doing was controlling security and safety systems. Tuning the Kinsler system, in theory, shouldn't be any harder then a typical EFI. In comparison to the old multi-webber carb set ups which could be a nightmare to synchronize. Emissions would be my biggest concern as well. My guess is that when Kinsler developed this system they didn't intend it to be placed in an S197. I assume it was intended for hotrods and restomods running a 3V. The only real way to know any o this is to call Kinsler and ask. It's WAY out of my price range so asking would be a waste for me so I'll stick to day dreaming and making wild assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't know jack when it comes to tuning via a computer but with any system I've had tuned the weakest link was typically the guy pushing buttons and not the system. Not saying you are wrong concerning Accel, I just know it takes a wizard to do it quickly and effectively. I met a guy last weekend who swears by Motec. He had just finished a twin turbo GT500 where he piggy-backed the Motec on top of the stock ECU effectively fooling the stock ECU into thinking it was running the motor which was actually being run by the Motec. I have no idea if thats the wisest way to do it but it gave him full access to all of the engines sensors and management that a tune thru the stock (spanish oak) ECU does not. Basically all the stock ECU was doing was controlling security and safety systems. Tuning the Kinsler system, in theory, shouldn't be any harder then a typical EFI. In comparison to the old multi-webber carb set ups which could be a nightmare to synchronize. Emissions would be my biggest concern as well. My guess is that when Kinsler developed this system they didn't intend it to be placed in an S197. I assume it was intended for hotrods and restomods running a 3V. The only real way to know any o this is to call Kinsler and ask. It's WAY out of my price range so asking would be a waste for me so I'll stick to day dreaming and making wild assumptions. Agreed on ALL counts! Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 no air filter? what if a bug gets sucked into one of the stacks?:blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 they make screen filters for those stacks, not as pretty with em, but easy to pop off for a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harristotle Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Those are absolutely awesome!!! I just can't imagine stomaching the 8k for them. Maybe I'll win the lotto and could justify it ... or maybe I should just start saving for them now lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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