greaser Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 i keep going back and forth on if i should supercharge my shelby or just do some mild NA stuff. so my question is isnt 400 at the crank enough for a realy good handling quick car? i know that with what i have now no one has ever goten out of my shelby going it just isnt fast enough except me. i think i would be totaly happy at 400 at the crank but i dont know for sure and there arnt any mustangs around that have that much its me at 340 or so and a gt 500 so i have no way of judging weather or not 400 would be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowCar Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I weighed the options myself. I figured FI was easier and cheaper in the long run because you could tune the car, change a pulley, and pick up more HP for less money versus this cam or that cam change. Plus I think FI like the whipple just gives more torque than a head and cam package ever could. Plus the driveability is like stock till you go WOT. Then theres the intercooler upgrading if you feel the need for more power in the future. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I tracked my car both before and after SAI put the Kenne Bell on it. I agree with ShowCar (except for his belief that black is the fastest color ) about the overall advantages of FI. Having it does not slow you down on the race course and you have the instant push when you come out of the twisties and get on the straight away. In my signature, you can see my rear wheel numbers. They have been plenty for my needs. Good luck on your search for the right combination to get you the speed you need. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEDEMAN Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I agree......the car should have never left the corral with 319 ponies! That being said Ford did not give Shelby enough time to get the HP up to 380-400HP as it should have been. Shelby had to put the car into production right away to stay on track with the Ford exec's otherwise they would have never made the amount of $$ to stay open or to be a force again. So they came up with the saying " it is a wonderful track car". They said that because the car has very small balls and that is the only thing that would save face to the Shelby buyer. So yes the car SHOULD have come with at least 380-400 HP at the crank. That amount of HP would have been plenty to have fun with on the street or strip......and we would not get spanked by a V-6 Camaro, UGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Just before I added my blower, my SGT was making just a hair over 400 HP, naturally aspirated. At the time, it felt like a rocket ship. If you have nothing to compare it to, then you won't be disappointed at all. Take a seat in my car now or a modified GT500 and you will be left wanting more with your own car, guaranteed. However, as long as your car is all you know, then that 400 HP will feel like lightning compared to the base 319. That being said, there is an undeniable difference from 350 RWHP to 500+ RWHP, one that I couldn't have imagined myself until I strapped myself into my own beast for the first time on the track post-blower install. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rush_junky Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I weighed the options myself. I figured FI was easier and cheaper in the long run because you could tune the car, change a pulley, and pick up more HP for less money versus this cam or that cam change. Plus I think FI like the whipple just gives more torque than a head and cam package ever could. Plus the driveability is like stock till you go WOT. Then theres the intercooler upgrading if you feel the need for more power in the future. Just my opinion. +1 ....I went from ~270 to ~370 HPRW with the 1200SL and charge motion deletes. For now, it's enough. Give me a year or so and I'll be wanting more HP and my options are wide open Go with the SC !! You will need wider tires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07-2937 Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 do the blower there is a good thing with more power than you wanted... you will never second guess that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormeaston Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Every case is different....................I have other fast cars, a lot faster than the Shelby, I bought the Shelby because it was kool look'n. If you want to get in a piss'n match on racing, horsepower, who's dick is bigger etc, then get a SC. If your just plain kool than leave it alone and enjoy it. P.S. If your street racing (which I do not do) remember first guy on the gas usually wins!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYBRO Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 P.S. If your street racing (which I do not do) remember first guy on the gas usually wins!! OMG How true is that. I have witnessed that so many times with these damn Hondas you don't even know you are racing untill 1 second after the light is already green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I agree......the car should have never left the corral with 319 ponies! That being said Ford did not give Shelby enough time to get the HP up to 380-400HP as it should have been. Shelby had to put the car into production right away to stay on track with the Ford exec's otherwise they would have never made the amount of $$ to stay open or to be a force again. So they came up with the saying " it is a wonderful track car". They said that because the car has very small balls and that is the only thing that would save face to the Shelby buyer.So yes the car SHOULD have come with at least 380-400 HP at the crank. That amount of HP would have been plenty to have fun with on the street or strip......and we would not get spanked by a V-6 Camaro, UGH. :beatdeadhorse: :koolaid: :alien: Ok you get a V-6 Camaro, I'll get a N/A SGT and I will TOTALLY dust you on any track you want. Your smoking crack if you think a 6 banger Camaro would win...seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEDEMAN Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 :beatdeadhorse: :koolaid: :alien: Ok you get a V-6 Camaro, I'll get a N/A SGT and I will TOTALLY dust you on any track you want. Your smoking crack if you think a 6 banger Camaro would win...seriously. WaaaWAAAAAWaaaaaWAAAAA. You couldn't drive yourself out of a wet paper bag yet along beat a V-6 Camaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 :beatdeadhorse: :koolaid: :alien: Ok you get a V-6 Camaro, I'll get a N/A SGT and I will TOTALLY dust you on any track you want. Your smoking crack if you think a 6 banger Camaro would win...seriously. WaaaWAAAAAWaaaaaWAAAAA. You couldn't drive yourself out of a wet paper bag yet along beat a V-6 Camaro. You now know that I have been razzing you the whole time...Dang! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1218shelby Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 get a supercharger or go home... :happy feet: seriously, if you want power get a Blown Shelby you will never look back. You won't be dissappointed. Once you go blown, you won't go back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 lol the poll is damn near a tie with the SC in the lead by 2 votes it looks like im still going to be in the air about it till next spring when she comes out of hibernation. unless someone wants to donate parts to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEDEMAN Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 You now know that I have been razzing you the whole time...Dang! Cheers! I know I know. You have got my goat because in all reality you know I know I want to SC my car. I get it believe me I get it. Take care- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYBRO Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 So what exactly do we need to reach 400HP at the crank? I would like to reach this goal without the SC. Trust me I want an SC but money is short right now. Would this be done with pullies, throttle body, shorty headers, charge motion deletes and a tune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowCar Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 ShelbyBro, you would need agressive cams, good flowing heads, intake, tune, longtubes, and the parts you mentioned to reach 400hp NA. Even then It wouldnt be at 400hp. Anyone have any research to prove otherwise? Ive been researching alot before I did my SC. I would have to have a stroker to be where I wanted. Right now since I addressed some issues with my SC Im at 345hp and 335TQ at the wheels which is about 415HP flywheel. It is a automatic car so by the time I bought a torque converter, tune and other items for the cams to be effective I would have spent more and gotten even less torque than I have now. When moving 3800lbs of car torque is needed more than horsepower to a certain degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted September 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 talk to ken he hit 400 horse at the crank with out heads or going to radical on cams ither pretty much bolt ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy36301 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I had BRENSPEED install the following on my "08 SGT (5 speed)... COMP Thumper Cams (phaser limiters) Motion Delete Plates STEEDA under pullies KOOKS Long tube headers KOOKS high flow Cats CORSA Axle backs mufflers Breenspeed tune 385HP at the flywheel (DYNO) All I need now is 3:90 or 4:10's, as the cams push the HP more up the RPM curve (3000+). The car is a monster. The sound is NOT believable. Everyone says it sounds like a NHRA dragster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I did the following and achieved 402 HP at the flywheel - SAE dyno proven, assuming 15% drivetrain loss. -Comp stage 2 XFI VSR cams/springs/retainers -Steeda billet charge motion delete plates -Steeda UD pulleys -Bamachips race tune -JBA shorty headers -FRPP axle backs -BBK twin 62mm throttle body -FRPP 410's The cams make the biggest difference. If you're not worried about smog, do the Comp stage 2's or 3's. MMR makes a good cam too with tons of power. The easiest 400 HP will be the Whipple non-IC S/C. The best sounding 400 HP will be the mod motor with the nasty cams. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 i will be doing the na route it just appeals to me not that i have anything against FI its just not the same tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 i will be doing the na route it just appeals to me not that i have anything against FI its just not the same tho. Atta boy, that's the spirit! If I didn't have smog to think about, I would have purchased MMR stage 2 heads instead of the Paxton blower. If I blow this motor up, I'm building a nasty NA stroker with the intention of surpassing 500 HP. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 my hope is to pass up 400 without heads i dont know if its doable but i am going to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Is this a trick question? Is this like asking if you would be perfectly happy with one hot bikini-clad chick sitting in your lap when you could have another rubbing your shoulders? I say, MORE, MORE, MORE!! Just don't forget to beef up the brakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Sorry folks but, no matter how fast your car is, it'll always be "not fast enough". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY500SS Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Sorry folks but, no matter how fast your car is, it'll always be "not fast enough". So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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