David Hawkins Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 http://www.gizmag.com/shelby-sebring-tribute-cobra-289/43260/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Excited to see the new small manufacturers law helping out Shelby. Cool to see the new turnkey units! There's quite a few other companies that are ramping up production of turnkey awesomeness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Full press release here: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160510006799/en/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Sweet looking car! There is probably cooperation with Denbeste since he owns the engine company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I'd be interested to know what the difference is between this one and the 50th Anniv. FIA Cobras of CSX7950-7999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITHERTZ66 Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I'd be interested to know what the difference is between this one and the 50th Anniv. FIA Cobras of CSX7950-7999. very little - just some special names, graphics - and this is a turn-key car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 When they say "turnkey", I do wonder who is going to be building it. My CSX 7972 was ordered through DenBeste, has the Shelby Engines 331 with Webers, and was built and completed by Tom at Speedway in Las Vegas. I really doubt much will change in that sequence (unless SAI hires their own builders), but you will get a real title I guess, not an MSO, which will be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 The recent legislation on classic turnkey cars requires the engine be a modern emissions compliant engine. Ford does not yet have a compliant engine, so I wonder if these are street legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Maybe they will use the Chevy crate one that is emission compliant......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Maybe they will use the Chevy crate one that is emission compliant......... Don't laugh, it's been done. Peter Brock's own Daytona (Brock) Coupe has a Chevy engine in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 When they say "turnkey", I do wonder who is going to be building it. My CSX 7972 was ordered through DenBeste, has the Shelby Engines 331 with Webers, and was built and completed by Tom at Speedway in Las Vegas. I really doubt much will change in that sequence (unless SAI hires their own builders), but you will get a real title I guess, not an MSO, which will be an improvement. I am more wondering about how Steve Becker will handle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I am more wondering about how Steve Becker will handle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr1961 Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 In regard to the engine. I doubt Ford is going to sit back and let Chevrolet and Mopar own the engine market for these small manufacturers because collectively it is a potentially big market. They most likely already have something in development that will be out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 What about the Coyote crate engine? I saw one in what I think was a Backdraft Cobra last year at Mark's Cruise. https://performanceparts.ford.com/coyote-crate-engine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageishecker Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 My guess is they won't be street legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 If that is the case, then nothing new or different here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 What about the Coyote crate engine? I saw one in what I think was a Backdraft Cobra last year at Mark's Cruise. https://performanceparts.ford.com/coyote-crate-engine/ The Coyote is expected but so far has not been approved for use. Yeah, Ford is late to this game. The Backdraft cars would still fall under the old rules, not under the new 250-year-sold-as-complete-vehicles rules. By the way, a Cobra with a Coyote (modern engine) has a very limited market. I know of noone that would put anything but an original era engine in a Cobra. Some might but the numbers would be very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 By the way, a Cobra with a Coyote (modern engine) has a very limited market. I know of noone that would put anything but an original era engine in a Cobra. Some might but the numbers would be very small. +1, I would never buy an SAI Cobra CSX with anything except a vintage design FoMoCo engine, 289 or 427 derivative, most I know feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 +1, I would never buy an SAI Cobra CSX with anything except a vintage design FoMoCo engine, 289 or 427 derivative, most I know feel the same way. I just can't grok a Cobra with catalytic converters. The thought of it just made me nauseous SAI or not, even people that get Backdraft and Factory Five put a REAL ENGINE in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSGT Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Maybe they will use the Chevy crate one that is emission compliant......... From the press release: "Just like the 1960s racecar, the series will feature a widened front and rear fenders, cut-back doors, more aggressive dampers, racing wheels featuring the pin-drive hub, oil cooler scoops and a 289 small block engine" Sounds like they're planning on FoMoCo motors................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I saw that, but there is no way they will get a 289 with any carb to pass emissions testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I saw that, but there is no way they will get a 289 with any carb to pass emissions testing. What if they use a Fuel Injection set up that looks like a Carb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr1961 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 With the new Low Volume Manufacturers Bill being passed, I don’t think the market is limited for the Coyote in a cobra…nor is any engine limited. Sure there are going to be old schoolers and purists who think otherwise, but what these people are not taking in to account is that this new bill opens up the market to a lot more people than just “purists”. I am not being disparaging of the younger generation when I say that a majority of them do not want to wrench on their cars like some of the older people. Yes, older guys who grew up when Shelby unleashed the Shelby Cobra on the world want to see the 289 or 427, and they want something they are familiar with and can tinker with. However, this bill is going to allow a younger and worldwide buying group to just walk in or throw down the cash and buy a “turnkey” cobra with an engine of their choosing. They don’t have the nostalgia driven purchasing criteria of the older buying group, and they don’t want to have to tinker with the car engine constantly…..they want performance and better economy. They are more conscious of vehicle emissions……. and they want to drive not wrench. I think we will see everything from 4cyl Ecoboosts, 4.6L, 5.0 Coyotes, 289’s, 427’s and maybe even 5.2 FPC’s. It is good to keep an open and creative mindset, after all, that’s the real reason the Original Shelby Cobra was born, because Carroll was open minded and creative enough to shove a V-8 in to a “roller” that was typically powered by a 4 cylinder. If enough of these new Cobra cars are born, it may open some new classes of racing. From this bill passing, I for one think it would be cool to have a 4, 6 and 8 cylinder SCCA league of “Shelby Cobra Racing” brackets eventually develop. I think Carroll would have liked the idea of something like that developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 What if they use a Fuel Injection set up that looks like a Carb? I've seen them, Weber and Holley fakes, but is pretty obvious what they are, but even with that, I doubt they would pass emissions without a whole bunch of computers, sensors, wires, and harnesses, and they would have to be certified CARB engines. And I think that is all fine it they can do it, but to put out a Sebring Anniversary model that is supposed to be just like the original (like my 50th FIA is) that has a power plant and drivetrain that is nothing at all like the original just defeats the purpose and very few will pay a huge premium (I'm sure well over $100K for this) for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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