Stangtabang Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Hey, Im new here quick bio, ive owned an '03 mustang gt major upgrades full exhaust system with borla catback, also 8.8 rear housing with 4.10 gears and 31 spline axles. So my question is, i just bought these carrol shelby rims, can anyone please tell me what they are and what they are worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19again Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 What size are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 They look like Wheels from Carroll Shelby Wheel Co. from back in the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 15", and tires are 265/50/15 and seem to be the stock tires, because there are no sign of added weights to the wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Hey, Im new here quick bio, ive owned an '03 mustang gt major upgrades full exhaust system with borla catback, also 8.8 rear housing with 4.10 gears and 31 spline axles. So my question is, i just bought these carrol shelby rims, can anyone please tell me what they are and what they are worth? Looks like Shelby Europas wheels from the 1980's. If they are actual Shelby wheels and not just a Shelby center cap put on another brand of wheel, there should be something cast into the back of the wheel that says Shelby or CSI. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yes i noticed a c.s.i casted in the back.. I assumed Carroll shelby but did not know what the "i" stood for? Inc. , or international maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 the rims are in good conditon, 9/10 but the tires im not too sure, also 3/4 center caps fall out so back to my previous question. How much could you estimate these are worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Here's a set on ebay you can watch. Currently at $100 bid for wheels and tires (reserve not met). GM bolt pattern however or I would be interested. The gold centers would look great on my '65. What bolt pattern are your wheels? There was a set here in Denver on Craigs list a few months ago for $400 for the wheels only. They were in pretty good shape also. However were also 5 x 4.75", so wrong for a Ford. These wheels are not to uncommon. They made a bunch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-Europa-15-aluminum-wheels-with-Michelin-Sport-XGT-VR-tires-/271280166490?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheel_Packages&hash=item3f298ed65a&vxp=mtr#ht_253wt_1142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yes i noticed a c.s.i casted in the back.. I assumed Carroll shelby but did not know what the "i" stood for? Inc. , or international maybe Its still early in the AM here so the ol brain hasn't warmed up completely but the "I" should stand for either International or Industries. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Here's a set on ebay you can watch. Currently at $100 bid for wheels and tires (reserve not met). GM bolt pattern however or I would be interested. The gold centers would look great on my '65. What bolt pattern are your wheels? There was a set here in Denver on Craigs list a few months ago for $400 for the wheels only. They were in pretty good shape also. However were also 5 x 4.75", so wrong for a Ford. These wheels are not to uncommon. They made a bunch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-Europa-15-aluminum-wheels-with-Michelin-Sport-XGT-VR-tires-/271280166490?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheel_Packages&hash=item3f298ed65a&vxp=mtr#ht_253wt_1142 These wheels were popular on the Chevy Corvair and the Vegas although I'm not sure if those were 5 lug vehicles. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Its still early in the AM here so the ol brain hasn't warmed up completely but the "I" should stand for either International or Industries. Steve I thought the CSI for the wheel company was Carroll Shelby International, Inc. But could be wrong. This wheel was also made in a 4 lug design for SAAB. I've seen some of those but they are marked with SAAB on the back also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I thought the CSI for the wheel company was Carroll Shelby International, Inc. But could be wrong. This wheel was also made in a 4 lug design for SAAB. I've seen some of those but they are marked with SAAB on the back also. I believe it is International but with so many companies over the years I also had the Industries name in my head. Carroll first began selling wheels under the name, Shelby-Dowd Industries back in the early to mid 1970's. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I picked them up for $500.00 with tires that show no noticeable signs of cracking. The reason i bought these because they look bad ass, compared to mine now. Currently i have the 2010 Shelby GT500 replicas from AM, which i love and have had for many years but they are replicas and weigh about 50 lbs ea. which i dont like. So i bought these shelby which i thought were off a old school GT500, which is why i spent soo much.. we tried to put them on my stang and the bolt pattern was soo close that 3 outta 5 of the threads went through the other only needed 1 mm shaven off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I would just like to add. I appreciate the help guys! kinda disappointed they are not Mustangs, but still shelbys that weigh aprox.~ 30 lbs with 11" rear tires is a win in my book. ..now i just have to make them fit lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Sounds like they are probably 4 3/4" pattern then which was common for this wheel. I have been somewhat looking for the Ford pattern but have not seen any for sale. I'm not sure if they even made them in a 5 x 4 1/2" pattern. But yea, sorry, these never came on a Shelby Mustang. These came out years after the last 1970 Shelby came off the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 These wheels appear to use the older style lug nuts and are not set up for the newer acorn lug nuts. See pic below for what I mean by older style. The reason I mention this is that acorn lug nuts will loosen up if used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlinetoys Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 If those wheels have solid centers in the back they would be very easy to drill out at a machine shop to make them effectively unilig style wheels. If they have webbing or ribbing in the center lug area, maybe not so much. Post a pic of the rear of the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlinetoys Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I probably should correct myself. I have had 4.5 bolt circle wheels red rilles over the top of the existing holes to convert them effectively to a safe unilig wheel that would easily fit on either 4.5 or 4.75 bolt circle. I am not sure about the bolt circle on your 03. If it is 4.5, this is a fairly easy conversion by a competent shop. If they are Metric, I am not so sure. Anything can be done if ya want it bad enough, but you need to ensure it is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlinetoys Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Many of the early Cragar mags were already drilled this way so one wheel would fit Ford/Mopar (4.5") as well as GM (4.75") bolt circles. You had to use mag shank lug nuts with washers. Given sufficient thickness in the mounting area, the only difference between the factory placed lug slots and having a shop drill the new pattern over the top of the old, is the fact you will have two circles adjoined in somewhat of a number "8" pattern rather than a true oval slot. As long as this style wheel was kept tight there was no problem at all. Many guys did have problems due to insufficient torquing of the lugs but that was more of a mechanic issue than a wheel problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Looks like my brain was fully warmed up this morning as the wheel company was both named International and Industries. International came first but was changed to Industries in the very early 1980's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlinetoys Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Sorry for all of the posts, but I keep thinking of things... I believe your wheels on the 03 are the same as early Ford 4.5", so this is a good possible conversion IF there is enough meat on the back side of that wheel. You will have a machine shop or fabricator redrill the new pattern right over the top of the old (but slightly offset to the inside of the existing GM 4.75 pattern. A normal unilug multi bolt pattern is a clean oval that will accept a shank lug nut in either of the 4.5 or 4.75 bolt circles. What you will have is more of a slight number "8" style pattern, but the wheel will still bolt on either bolt circle. Dangers... You need to ensure there is enough metal on the back side to safely have them drilled. You need to ensure that the shop understands you will be using shank style lug nuts as were originally used on the wheel. You will need to ensure that the shank lug nuts are not too short (The wheel will not stay centered and will loosen). You need to ensure that the shank lug nuts are not too long (It will appear they are getting tight, but the wheel will still be loose.) You also need to consider how the center of the wheel fits (or not) over the center ridge that factory wheels typically self center on. Many custom wheels do not center this way, but use the lugs to center. Be aware that some people will argue that using the lugs to support the weight of the car and to center the wheel is dangerous as compared to just using the lugs to hold the wheels on. Others will argue that custom wheels and even many factory cars are this way with no issues. Also keep in mind that the lugs need to be tight on aluminum wheels, and need to be re-tightened occasionally. Also be aware that these wheels may have the incorrect diameter and offset to comfortably clear your disc brakes, steering and or fenderwells. Lots to think about, but it can be done. I sure would not be afraid to do some measuring and close looking to see if they can be used safely. I personally think they could look killer on your car. Consult a good fab shop for advice if you are uncomfortable at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Here's some of the sizes the Shelby Europa wheels came in............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stangtabang Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Thank you redline toys, and everyone.. As much as i would love to see these fuckers on my stang, and as much as i would love to keep them till i had the $$ fix em and throw on tires.. Its not now, i was hoping for a $100 fix but this upgrade is too much for me now.. I returned them and it was sad to see them go. I spoke to my mechanic and said they wont work, so i was depressed alld ay and decided to bring em back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 I picked them up for $500.00 with tires that show no noticeable signs of cracking. The reason i bought these because they look bad ass, compared to mine now. Currently i have the 2010 Shelby GT500 replicas from AM, which i love and have had for many years but they are replicas and weigh about 50 lbs ea. which i dont like. So i bought these shelby which i thought were off a old school GT500, which is why i spent soo much.. we tried to put them on my stang and the bolt pattern was soo close that 3 outta 5 of the threads went through the other only needed 1 mm shaven off. Sounds like Chevy Bolt Pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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