SGT3477 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/wounded-warrior-refuses-to-accept-money-from-church.html A Christian church and school in Florida are devastated after they said Wounded Warrior Project refused to accept their fund raising effort because it was “religious in nature.” “We were heartbroken,” said Wallace Cooley, pastor of Liberty Baptist Church and Academy in Fort Pierce, Fla. i would like to know so i do not buy any more raffle tickets or put any more money towards anything Shelby would do with this organization, or Shelby at all, if it is going to take this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Perhaps I missed something but what is the Shelby connection with this story? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT3477 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 http://www.winthemustangs.com/ http://www.winwithacobra.com/ if shelby is not Directly involved i apologize but, i've seens Shelbys name all over the chartiy and events that seem tied to it and the raffles for charity. if Shelby isnt involved they sure do get their name associated...are they getting royalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne in NJ Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 As one of them there 'Bible Thumpers' (metaphorically speaking, I don't ACTUALLY 'thump my Bible'): I'd teach WW's a lesson and send it to them w/o telling them who it's from! Let the One Who sees all, and rewards good deeds by His children, do so at the proper time! (All accounts will be balanced)! :burnout: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 http://www.winthemustangs.com/ http://www.winwithacobra.com/ if shelby is not Directly involved i apologize but, i've seens Shelbys name all over the chartiy and events that seem tied to it and the raffles for charity. if Shelby isnt involved they sure do get their name associated...are they getting royalties +1 - Well stated. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 http://radio.foxnews...rom-church.html A Christian church and school in Florida are devastated after they said Wounded Warrior Project refused to accept their fund raising effort because it was “religious in nature.” “We were heartbroken,” said Wallace Cooley, pastor of Liberty Baptist Church and Academy in Fort Pierce, Fla. i would like to know so i do not buy any more raffle tickets or put any more money towards anything Shelby would do with this organization, or Shelby at all, if it is going to take this route. Look at the other side of the Coin.........If they allowed that church to do a Fund Riaser for the WWP, then I am sure that some how the Media would get in volved and the next thing you know, other Religions would be after them for taking sides and you have to also wonder what the Atheists would do........I can just see all the Law Suits taking shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Look at the other side of the Coin.........If they allowed that church to do a Fund Riaser for the WWP, then I am sure that some how the Media would get in volved and the next thing you know, other Religions would be after them for taking sides and you have to also wonder what the Atheists would do........I can just see all the Law Suits taking shape. Churches donate to a lot of causes all over the globe, I see no difference with this cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stngfever Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Their is the wounded warrior project and wounded warriors family support which are 2 different groups not affiliated with one another. The wounded warriors family support is the group that did the tour last year with the Shelby, not the above mentioned wounded warrior project! Some interesting read can be found on the net about the family support group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 http://www.winthemustangs.com/ http://www.winwithacobra.com/ if shelby is not Directly involved i apologize but, i've seens Shelbys name all over the chartiy and events that seem tied to it and the raffles for charity. if Shelby isnt involved they sure do get their name associated...are they getting royalties I'm pretty darn sure that neither of these raffles have absolutely anything to do with WWP. Where are you seeing that they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 The story link did not cite Shelby connection. However, I donate to WWP on a monthly basis. I now have to reconsider if they discriminate and refuse to accept money just because it is from a religious group. I have also been very concerned that WWP, while being one of the very most worthwhile charities, has a very high administration costs and the director makes a very, very, high salary. I wonder if Trace Adkins is aware of this issue. It may not have a relationship to Shelby charities or raffles but it is relevant discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSGT Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 I did a little background checking on WWP and 07SGT is absolutely correct! WWP gets an alarmingly small percentage of its donations to the wounded warriors. It has a poor rating with some of the organizations that rate charities. Their advertising/marketing expense alone is out of this world. There are some great wounded service personnel charities available that funnel nearly all of the money to the troops or their families: Injured Marine Semper Fi Fund; Fisher House; and the Special Operations Warrior Foundation just to name a couple. Hope this helps. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/wounded-warrior-project-apologizes-for-rejecting-church-donation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 http://www.winthemustangs.com/ http://www.winwithacobra.com/ Neither one of those is the Wounded Warrior PROJECT. The WWP is non partisan and non denominational so they don't take contributions from any political or religious foundations. As it should be. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 The story link did not cite Shelby connection. However, I donate to WWP on a monthly basis. I now have to reconsider if they discriminate and refuse to accept money just because it is from a religious group. I have also been very concerned that WWP, while being one of the very most worthwhile charities, has a very high administration costs and the director makes a very, very, high salary. I wonder if Trace Adkins is aware of this issue. It may not have a relationship to Shelby charities or raffles but it is relevant discussion. I think you are confusing the Wounded Warrior PROJECT with the Wounded Warrior FOUNDATION. From what I remember, the WWP gives 97% of donations directly to the cause with 3% to adminstration. WWF is just about the opposite ratio, from what I remember. And they may have had to change their name because of the "WWF" trade-mark issue that the World Wrestling Federation (Old WWF, now WWE) ran up against from the Wildlife Foundation. They were also (successfully) sued by the WWP because of the name similarity and people confusing the two, donating to the wrong group thinking they were donating to the WWP. There was a whole (heated) thread on the WW Project not too long ago, when they were raffling or auctioning a Super Snake (or SS clone???) that Shelby built, and I THINK donated. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 There are some great wounded service personnel charities available that funnel nearly all of the money to the troops or their families: Injured Marine Semper Fi Fund; Fisher House; and the Special Operations Warrior Foundation just to name a couple. Fisher House is one of THE best, if not THE best, IN MY OPINION. They give the vast majority of their donations directly to the cause with a VERY low admin. cost. ratio. I also stand behind the Wounded Warrior Project and would really like to see the information you say you found regarding their admin ratio because from everything I know, the Wounded Warrior PROJECT (there are other VERY similar sounding names) is up there with the Fisher House. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Concur Fisher House is one of the best. But Wounded Warrior Project does pay its CEO 320,000.00 per year. I don't see why they should reject funds from any religion, including Islam, if they sincerely want to donate to help injured wounded troops. BTW- WWP has reversed its previous stance and will now accept the funds from the church. See post 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSGT Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 There are a myriad of articles regarding veterans' charities on the web; some specific, some general. Here's one that discusses WWP with some supporting links. Just an FYI.... http://giftoffreedom.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/wounded-warrior-project-a-veterans-or-cable-television-network-charity/ John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbyite Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The wounded warrior family support org and the old colonel got sued for excepting donations intended for wounded Warrior foundation. It took a law suit to stop it. Real curious of how much of the 900k the colonel got last year for selling the Shelby wwf really went to helping the troops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I was willing to give Wounded Warrior Project the benefit of the doubt as they do perform a tremendous amount of good work for those truly most deserving. But I received this the other day and now, sadly, will discontinue my support. A spokesperson for WWP has made it very clear they will not associate with any program involved with firearms. They are anti-gun. Now they have crossed a point of no return. http://www.examiner.com/article/wounded-warrior-project-stirs-debate-controversy-with-anti-gun-stance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I was willing to give Wounded Warrior Project the benefit of the doubt as they do perform a tremendous amount of good work for those truly most deserving. But I received this the other day and now, sadly, will discontinue my support. A spokesperson for WWP has made it very clear they will not associate with any program involved with firearms. They are anti-gun. Now they have crossed a point of no return. http://www.examiner....anti-gun-stance I am fervently pro-gun. Generally speaking, PRO Bill of Rights, specifically speaking, PRO First through Fifth Amendment (Yes, including the 3rd Amendment). I have to say that this latest stance that the WWP has apparently taken DOES cause concern for me...At least until I take a step back and look more closely at both sides of the coin. The way I see it is, if they take a pro-gun stance, they will alienate the anti-gun (pro gun control) crowd. If they take a pro-gun control (or anti gun) stance, they will alienate the pro-gun crowd. So they're 'doomed' if they do and 'doomed' if they don't. It's a no-win situation for them. Personally, I chose to focus more on the service they provide to the Wounded Veterans of this great country of ours rather than the political stance they take, or their stance on gun-controll (and/or their stance on religion. In my mind, it only stands to reason that they MUST remain 100%, totally UNBIASED (neither pro or anti gun, or anything else for that matter). But that will still alienate some of the more narrow minded people out there. And that's where my problem lies in this issue. By taking a "Anti gun" stance, they have taken A stance. They are no longer UN biased. They are now saying they are biased AGAINST a social or political issue. And that's what bothers me. Regardless of the issue (although infringement on gun ownership is a BIG issue with me). WWP, I suggest you take the MIDDLE ground and not take sides on one side of the coin or the other. You don't have to be 'pro-gun' but you don't have to be 'anti-gun' either. How about 'neutral-gun"??? Just My Humble Opinion/JMHO, Phillip Roy Pollard - Civil Libertarian Extraordinaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I like what you said but I agree this is sort of I am with you or I am against you. There is no common ground. If you don't support us then you are against us. Sort of like the First Amendment. Either you support it or you don't. You can't say "No Comment." You have to make a stand. I have supported WWP on a monthly basis for years and this hurts to think I will have to stop supporting our troops that are truly deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan19d Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 no need to stop supporting the troops, just funnel your money to them through another channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Exactly. And Fisher House looks like a very good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Neither one of those is the Wounded Warrior PROJECT. The WWP is non partisan and non denominational so they don't take contributions from any political or religious foundations. As it should be. Phill Well, if they dont take donations from Christians they dont take money from me. And you are correct, they should have no stance on guns. They should be focused on helping veterans. As a gun owner, I would not be offended if they took money from an anti gun group.; There only purpose is to serve verterans in need Edited March 11, 2013 by svttim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrzycobra Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Quite frankly, how is this donation from the church religious in nature? Do they stamp Bible passages on the money or something? There's no religious obligation attached to it. It's nothing more than a bunch of good-doers that belong to a common church. But I'm sure money from Rev. Wright's church of hatred would be accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Quite frankly, how is this donation from the church religious in nature? Do they stamp Bible passages on the money or something? There's no religious obligation attached to it. It's nothing more than a bunch of good-doers that belong to a common church. But I'm sure money from Rev. Wright's church of hatred would be accepted. I think it has more to do with not wanting to deal with all the BS that comes with the Donation, not from THAT church but more from other Churches and Anti-Christian Organizations, etc............Believe me, there WILL be a lot of BS that will pop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I think it has more to do with not wanting to deal with all the BS that comes with the Donation, not from THAT church but more from other Churches and Anti-Christian Organizations, etc............Believe me, there WILL be a lot of BS that will pop up. So to not offend the minority, they offend the majority, a group who probably represents the majority of thier donors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So to not offend the minority, they offend the majority, a group who probably represents the majority of thier donors? NO, you are looking at it the wrong way, for example: I am looking for Financial Sponsors to help with an Event that I am putting on. I will not let any Church be one of the Sponsors BUT, I will let a Business where the Owner is a Member of a Church be a Sponsor as long as the Business has nothing to do with selling Tobacco Products , Alcohol or Porn. If that Business Owner wants to mention his/her Church in their Sponsorship that would be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Well, if they dont take donations from Christians they dont take money from me. Would you be okay with them taking money from Christian *FOUNDATIONS* (they don't refuse money from CHRISTIANS, just FOUNDATIONs)....AND Islamic foundations such as Taliban and Al Queda? Religion is religion.... Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrzycobra Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Would you be okay with them taking money from Christian *FOUNDATIONS* (they don't refuse money from CHRISTIANS, just FOUNDATIONs)....AND Islamic foundations such as Taliban and Al Queda? Religion is religion.... Phill Actually, who dertermines what is a bonafide religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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