Super snake wheels would be made if Shelby performance ordered more? Every body wants super snake wheels, let us buy them from Alcoa ourselves.

[speedrx]

Let's get the deal done with Alcoa to reproduce the original 20" wheels and sizes and go from there. If you want wider wheels, these are commonly widened by specialists, once we get the wheels there will be aftermarket options to adjust them to your needs.

[mgmustang1]

Yeah I think he pretty much wanted to know finish wise not size.make same a before, simple.

[svt13]

Yea its just if we all overwhelm Jer with new requests like different sizes and engraving and whatever it makes his job THAT much more difficult to get this to come back. It has to come back the exact same as before or same as before but different finishes because those are easy to do. But sizes and engraving get tricky I can imagine and then the cost won't justify the result.

[patrickshelby]

The SAME ones.

[hunters1]

I too contacted ALCOA and was told that Shelby owns the molds and only they could initiate a second run of wheels. ALCOA is simply a supplier to a customer.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

Just one more very important note Jer, please make sure they come in 20x11 or 20x11.5 so we can tuck in set of 315 Drag Radials... pleeeeze!!!!

and thank you for all your efforts!!!!!!!

 

 

The chances of getting the regular ol' Alcoa Dura-Brights back in the 20x9 and 20x10 are slim to none so asking for non KR logo'd 18's, 20x11 or 20x11.5 isn't even a *remote* possibility.

 

We went through this with Robert Lane a few years back on the 20x11 attempt. In short, it AIN'T gonna happen.

 

I think y'all will be REAL lucky just to get a Alcoa looking CLONE made by another company, let alone a gennie Alcoa Dura-bright.

 

 

Phill

[speedrx]

I think there is a much better chance than "slim to none", everything is in place to make another run to produce these wheels, just need to get the 2 parties to agree and go. I agree with options outside the original wheel sizes are not likely to happen but I think the vast majority are fine with the originals.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

1. I think there is a much better chance than "slim to none",

2. everything is in place to make another run to produce these wheels,

3. just need to get the 2 parties to agree and go.

 

 

 

1. "I think there is a much better chance than "slim to none"

 

I don't. This issue is about money. Period.

 

Money that Shelby American would have to spend in order to get a run of wheels produced, only to have them sit in inventory waiting to be sold.

 

Alcoa has a minimum order that Shelby has to agree to before production will start. My best bet is that number is either 500 units or 1,000 units (industry standard). It *could* be as much as 10,000 units (which I doubt).

 

If Shelby makes 100% mark-up on these wheels (which isn't real real likely) that means they would have to pay Alcoa ~$250 ea. At 500 units min order, that would be $125,000.00 they would have to come up with. If the min order is 1,000, that's $250K they would have to spend. And that's if they make 100% mark-up on the Alcoa's. If they make less, those numbers go up.

 

BUT...That also means they have to spend $125K-$250K that is going to sit on the shelf in a warehouse. That's a LOT of money to have sitting in inventory and that's something Shelby isn't well known for, to have a lot of inventory (note the constant complaint of "sold out" items).

 

 

2. everything is in place to make another run to produce these wheels,

 

Except Shelby's willingness to spend a ton of money. The tooling is in place, the technology is in place, the money is not in place.

 

 

3. just need to get the 2 parties to agree and go.

 

There's nothing for Alcoa to agree on. This is very obviously in the hands of Shelby American.

 

And I *totally* understand their position on this. That's a LOT of money to have sitting around collecting dust. Would you spend $250K, only to have it sit in limbo for X years? 1000 units is 250 sets. There isn't anywhere NEAR that many people here that want a set of 20" Alcoa Dura-Bright wheels. I see....hmm, maybe 10 people? MAYBE???

 

 

Phill

[patrickshelby]

Phill, you just made Jer fall from his chair, I am sure!

Jer, do not listen to Phill (although he might well be right)...

 

Let's have some way of counting how many pre-orders you can get...

But not only from TS !!!

[gerbie28]

1 set of Black Alcoas for me

[EL SHELBY]

 

 

 

1. "I think there is a much better chance than "slim to none"

 

I don't. This issue is about money. Period.

 

Money that Shelby American would have to spend in order to get a run of wheels produced, only to have them sit in inventory waiting to be sold.

 

Alcoa has a minimum order that Shelby has to agree to before production will start. My best bet is that number is either 500 units or 1,000 units (industry standard). It *could* be as much as 10,000 units (which I doubt).

 

If Shelby makes 100% mark-up on these wheels (which isn't real real likely) that means they would have to pay Alcoa ~$250 ea. At 500 units min order, that would be $125,000.00 they would have to come up with. If the min order is 1,000, that's $250K they would have to spend. And that's if they make 100% mark-up on the Alcoa's. If they make less, those numbers go up.

 

BUT...That also means they have to spend $125K-$250K that is going to sit on the shelf in a warehouse. That's a LOT of money to have sitting in inventory and that's something Shelby isn't well known for, to have a lot of inventory (note the constant complaint of "sold out" items).

 

 

2. everything is in place to make another run to produce these wheels,

 

Except Shelby's willingness to spend a ton of money. The tooling is in place, the technology is in place, the money is not in place.

 

 

3. just need to get the 2 parties to agree and go.

 

There's nothing for Alcoa to agree on. This is very obviously in the hands of Shelby American.

 

And I *totally* understand their position on this. That's a LOT of money to have sitting around collecting dust. Would you spend $250K, only to have it sit in limbo for X years? 1000 units is 250 sets. There isn't anywhere NEAR that many people here that want a set of 20" Alcoa Dura-Bright wheels. I see....hmm, maybe 10 people? MAYBE???

 

 

Phill

 

 

+1

 

Same point I made (in not as many words) a week ago in this thread. I have every confidence in Jer that he is going to do everything in his power to deliver, but somethings are just not feasible within SA business plan. It's likely that if SA procured the Alcoa's that other areas with far greater profit potential would suffer because the cash would not be there to support.

[frank bullitt]

250 sets? Really? People are worried about that?

 

Distribute them via American Muscle like the Razors.

 

Make them an option on the new Super Snakes. Someone is going to select the new wheel for the Super Snake vs the Alcoa?

 

Come on.

 

This is the simplest business decision in the history of parts. The only people who are against this are those who don't want the wheel produced again, I count maybe 5 current owners of the Alcoas.

[Spectre500]

If you give him crazy demands like this they won't do it. Pretty much the easiest, only, and most logical way to have these come back is if they are the exact same as before. Thats the cheapest way to do it. Different sizes requires way more work that they won't do. If you want a wider rim and they bring it back go get it widened yourself.

 

 

If you go back and read the entire thread, Jer asked for input and idea's so he could formulate a plan. That's exactly what i gave him, nothing CRAZY about that, My input and idea, since traction is an issue with our cars the the 20x11 or 11.5 is the logical answer, without modding your car. Fine with me if they bring back the 20x9 and 20x10 we all want to see them back in production. The 11 and 11.5 will sell just as fast if not faster!

[EL SHELBY]

250 sets? Really? People are worried about that?

 

Distribute them via American Muscle like the Razors.

 

Make them an option on the new Super Snakes. Someone is going to select the new wheel for the Super Snake vs the Alcoa?

 

Come on.

 

This is the simplest business decision in the history of parts. The only people who are against this are those who don't want the wheel produced again, I count maybe 5 current owners of the Alcoas.

 

 

If it was truely simple it would have already been done. I would assume that many of those outside retailers, if not all, who sold the Alcoas did so on consignment. I dont see the issue with a lack of 'want' in having the wheel manufactured, it's a matter of ability and cash is King.

[frank bullitt]

If it was truely simple it would have already been done. I would assume that many of those outside retailers, if not all, who sold the Alcoas did so on consignment. I dont see the issue with a lack of 'want' in having the wheel manufactured, it's a matter of ability and cash is King.

 

 

Not convinced simple or logical decisions are the norm at Shelby. Not at least pre-Jer. Otherwise why would they have discontinued the 08-09 SS splitter? The most damaged part on a SS not replaceable? No demand? No business case? Or, no logical reason?

[Jer]

Guys, you are all throwing around inaccurate numbers. I just want to say, guessing won't help.

I know conjecture can be fun, but I don't want someone on this forum to spit out super high or low numbers that may skew their fellow owners' hopes in either direction.

 

Frank, the manufacturer for those splitters went out of business. There's your logical reason. I'll get more as soon as I line up a quality source... as soon as I get through talking about Alcoas. No kidding, it's on the list, OF COURSE.

 

I PROMISE you'll all hear from me as this moves forward. I've shown up here every day, right?

 

 

Jer

[Morgan19d]

You're than man Jer!

[Morgan19d]

You're than man Jer!

[svt13]

Can we get an update in the next few days on the progress Jer? Is it looking hopeful or no?

[sheppd01]

Sorry Jer the honeymoon is over.

 

 

 

The way I see it is if you want something ask for it. The worst thing that could happen is they say no.

I would love 20 X 11 KR rims. If they can’t be made no skin off my back, but at least I asked.

 

 

I would just like to add how many companies out there give their customers this kind of access to a Vice President.

 

SA rocks

[Jason Hoverson 36737]

I really hope this goes through because I would love to have a set of these on my car!!

 

With or without the milling I am in for a set!!!

[Jer]

Sorry Jer the honeymoon is over.

 

OUCH.

 

 

 

The way I see it is if you want something ask for it. The worst thing that could happen is they say no.

I would love 20 X 11 KR rims. If they can’t be made no skin off my back, but at least I asked.

 

This is extremely unlikely. 20" KR rims are rare enough (I believe only 3 sets were ever made, as prototypes) but an 11" width is also pretty much out of the question.

 

 

 

 

I would just like to add how many companies out there give their customers this kind of access to a Vice President.

 

I'm here to help. Shelby EXPECTS me to be here and hear you all.

 

 

 

Jer

[Spectre500]

I'm down for a set of originals to me they are the wheel to have period.

[svt13]

Neeeeeed updates Jer. DAILY ONES

[Tx Shelby]

Count me in for a set of 20" wheels, hurry the mod bug is at a high pitch fever, I have the shakes, sweatin , watery eyes. post a pic, post a price. a set of those wheels sure would be nice

[peteypab2133]

I will take a set of black ones please...

 

 

Also, if shelby is just going to sit on the molds (or drawings) how much money would it take to sell them. Im sure a few companies that would love to reproduce them.

[svt13]

Update Jer????

[sheppd01]

Wow

 

like I said...

[svt13]

bump for updates

[Jer]

bump for updates

 

I'll post an update when there is new information.

 

Thanks!

 

 

Jer