Denstang65 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Agree Very well put Warren. It's out there and can't be stopped so hopefully everyone will follow your words. +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Report Carroll Shelby's wife and kids in fight over auto legend's body http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/07/carroll-shelbys-wife-and-kids-in-fight-over-auto-legends-body/ By Chris Paukert RSS feed Posted Jun 7th 2012 2:30PM 154 Comments18 Death dredges up all matter of emotions in those around the deceased. For the fortunate, it brings up warm – if difficult – memories and a coming together of loved ones. However, it's all too common that a passing exposes old wounds and creates new ones among those left behind. Such appears to be the case with Carroll Shelby and his family. As you'll recall, the automotive icon passed away in Dallas after a protracted illness on May 10, but according to celebrity gossip site TMZ, Shelby's family is still squabbling over what to do with his remains, so his body sits interred in a freezer at a medical examiner's office. The dispute is reportedly between Shelby's wife Cleo and his children. Cleo has apparently been estranged from Carroll since he petitioned for divorce back in 2010, but she claims the two were still married, giving her sway over what happens to his body. For their part, Shelby's children say their father signed a document giving control over his remains to his oldest son, a claim that Cleo is apparently disputing, arguing that Carroll lacked the "physical capacity or eyesight" needed to sign off on the paperwork. Further, there's word that Shelby himself filed a petition to have the couple's 14-year marriage annulled in April on grounds that Cleo mislead him about everything from her assets to her actual name. There's no resolution in sight, but TMZ reports that a judge could still award Shelby an annulment posthumously. However, it isn't immediately clear that such an action is being pursued. In his 89 years, Shelby saw and survived a great many things, from serious race car accidents to the loss of (previous) spouses to painful lawsuits – not to mention both liver and heart transplants. He was a tough and savvy man who battled a lot of demons, many of which were of his own creation. Even so, we're glad he's not around to bear witness to this distasteful mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 If it were me, I'd close and delete this thread now - this is Team Shelby guys and gals, not a tabloid or gossip column! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I suggest you remove this and we all honor the legend and let the heirs work this out privately Mike, I mean no disrespect at all. In fact I have lots of respect for the man. That should be apparent by the memorial I held for him. Carroll was a very public figure. Fox news is even running this story. I posted this thread so we as members could express our feelings about this. If TS does not want us to do that, then they have the right to take it down since they own this site. However the members here are tired of the censorship that has occurred here in the past years. Remember that movie "The good, Bad and the ugly" ? Life is full of all 3 my friend. edited for spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Carroll Shelby was a public figure, and as such is open to public discussion. So long as we keep the discussion respectful and w/in the forum rules, I see no reason for Team Shelby to remove the thread. Anyway, I'm curious to see how all this unfolds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD SNAKE Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 This was on here by someone else and it disappered...... Isn't that odd? I posted it about 6 AM this morning and it disappeared all of a sudden reappeared. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Isn't that odd? I posted it about 6 AM this morning and it disappeared all of a sudden reappeared. <_< That's news to me. I saw in on the TS Facebook page, Autoblog, Fox news and TMZ...but not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrzycobra Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 First, It's not gossip. It's been reported in legitimate media sources. He was a very public figure so there's no hiding it. Secondly, as Shelby fans we have a legitimate concern as we demand respect for someone we greatly respected ourselves. Hiding the matter in these forums will not remove it from hundreds, if not thousands of places on the internet it already exists. Talking about it here is at least a way to vent about this horrible matter between ourselves as an extended Shelby family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt350lp Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 This was on here by someone else and it disappered...... Isn't that odd? I posted it about 6 AM this morning and it disappeared all of a sudden reappeared. <_< Thanks...I thought I was seeing things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSX4833 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm not sure if some of us are on the right track here. What we need to keep in mind is how great of a man he was as it impacted the passion in all of us--his automotive ingenunity. We all suspect John F. Kennedy may have not been the perfect man, but few would argue that he wasn't a fine President. Let's keep our eye on the ball and let the man rest in peace and honor him for what he was to the automotive industry. I personally could care less how he ran his personal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY500SS Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm not sure if some of us are on the right track here. What we need to keep in mind is how great of a man he was as it impacted the passion in all of us--his automotive ingenunity. We all suspect John F. Kennedy may have not been the perfect man, but few would argue that he wasn't a fine President. Let's keep our eye on the ball and let the man rest in peace and honor him for what he was to the automotive industry. I personally could care less how he ran his personal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbyite Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I haven't seen a post here that to me is out of line. There is no reason to remove the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm not sure if some of us are on the right track here. What we need to keep in mind is how great of a man he was as it impacted the passion in all of us--his automotive ingenunity. We all suspect John F. Kennedy may have not been the perfect man, but few would argue that he wasn't a fine President. Let's keep our eye on the ball and let the man rest in peace and honor him for what he was to the automotive industry. I personally could care less how he ran his personal life. +1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Mike, I mean no disrespect at all. In fact I have lots of respect for the man. That should be apparent by the memorial I held for him. Carroll was a very public figure. Fox news is even running this story. I posted this thread so we as members could express our feelings about this. If TS does not want us to do that, then they have the right to take it down since they own this site. However the members here are tired of the censorship that has occurred here in the past years. Remember that movie "The good, Bad and the ugly" ? Life is full of all 3 my friend. I won't comment on the article and content itself, however, I must agree with Rob/Grabber that this is in the public domain now and since it's newsworthy, it deserves a place for discussion. Some might find it distasteful; although, some wish to engage in this topic. Isn't that odd? I posted it about 6 AM this morning and it disappeared all of a sudden reappeared. <_< You posted it at 5:52 here. For a reason that we are looking into, the post was unapproved. The only time that a post should be unapproved is under strictly limited conditions - such as copyright infringement, obscenity, hateful attacks, etc. In my view, critical commentary should be tolerated. . .so long as it's written in a constructive manner. I put controls in place a while ago for Team Shelby that prohibits the permanent deletion of topics, so I found the topic and approved it. I will put more controls in place, such as alerting me personally when a post is hidden. I'm sorry that the topic was hidden from view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 First, It's not gossip. It's been reported in legitimate media sources. He was a very public figure so there's no hiding it. Secondly, as Shelby fans we have a legitimate concern as we demand respect for someone we greatly respected ourselves. Hiding the matter in these forums will not remove it from hundreds, if not thousands of places on the internet it already exists. Talking about it here is at least a way to vent about this horrible matter between ourselves as an extended Shelby family. Partner - You hit the nail on the head with your post. Thank you sir ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I won't comment on the article and content itself, however, I must agree with Rob/Grabber that this is in the public domain now and since it's newsworthy, it deserves a place for discussion. Some might find it distasteful; although, some wish to engage in this topic. You posted it at 5:52 here. For a reason that we are looking into, the post was unapproved. The only time that a post should be unapproved is under strictly limited conditions - such as copyright infringement, obscenity, hateful attacks, etc. In my view, critical commentary should be tolerated. . .so long as it's written in a constructive manner. I put controls in place a while ago for Team Shelby that prohibits the permanent deletion of topics, so I found the topic and approved it. I will put more controls in place, such as alerting me personally when a post is hidden. I'm sorry that the topic was hidden from view. Robert, Thank you for clearing the air. Now you need to train up some of your new moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Is it that we have to judge and comment Mr.Shelby's private life just because someone wants his money? Crazy. Showing some respect is also staying away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backafter20 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I attended a fundraiser at the Shelby American Collection Museum in Boulder, Colorado in August of 2011. Carroll was there, appearing rather feeble, but told some good stories and seemed to be in good spirits. He was doing well to achieve a slow shuffle, and always had people to help him get around. I was lucky enough to speak with him briefly and get my picture taken with him. Other visitors came to him wanting autographs, but I heard Carroll explain to them that he couldn't sign his name because he was effectively blind. He said he could see people standing around him, but could not recognize them or even know who it was that was speaking to him. I admit that he had a rather blank look in his eyes and almost no eye movement. It was sad to hear him explain that, but I felt very fortunate to have had the opportunity to be in his presence one last time. If I remember correctly, Cleo was there and seemed to be having a nice time. They did not seem to be estranged, but there was no way for anyone to say one way or the other based on that one afternoon. His personal business was his own, but God bless him for what he did publicly. He will be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Beast Shelby gt Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 He's in heaven doing donuts .....RIP CS !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm not sure if some of us are on the right track here. What we need to keep in mind is how great of a man he was as it impacted the passion in all of us--his automotive ingenunity. We all suspect John F. Kennedy may have not been the perfect man, but few would argue that he wasn't a fine President. Let's keep our eye on the ball and let the man rest in peace and honor him for what he was to the automotive industry. I personally could care less how he ran his personal life. I see it like this - I don't think the actions of his family after his death (the subject of this topic) have anything to do with Carroll Shelby's accomplishments in the automotive industry & motorsports. As for his personal life, I like knowing more about him. He did other stuff besides cars. As for Kennedy, I won't discuss that because it would be political and we're not allowed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I attended a fundraiser at the Shelby American Collection Museum in Boulder, Colorado in August of 2011. Carroll was there, appearing rather feeble, but told some good stories and seemed to be in good spirits. He was doing well to achieve a slow shuffle, and always had people to help him get around. I was lucky enough to speak with him briefly and get my picture taken with him. Other visitors came to him wanting autographs, but I heard Carroll explain to them that he couldn't sign his name because he was effectively blind. He said he could see people standing around him, but could not recognize them or even know who it was that was speaking to him. I admit that he had a rather blank look in his eyes and almost no eye movement. It was sad to hear him explain that, but I felt very fortunate to have had the opportunity to be in his presence one last time. If I remember correctly, Cleo was there and seemed to be having a nice time. They did not seem to be estranged, but there was no way for anyone to say one way or the other based on that one afternoon. His personal business was his own, but God bless him for what he did publicly. He will be missed. Yes Cleo was there in August 2011. I have been to this event for many years, which used to happen in December. He actually spent more than 4 hours there, which is more than ever in the past. He told many great stories. I actually thought he looked better than many years previously. Was one of the best events I had attended there with Carroll. I feel very blessed to be at that event as it was an amazing one, and one of the last he was able to attend. I thought it was great. Here's a couple shots I took that day of Carroll. Telling many stories. One of the best was about when a young George Lucas came and worked with him as a bright eyed kid who was excited about the cars. Some friends of mine: Carroll and I that day: Yes, Cleo was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT4578 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Not sure what you are insinuating Rob. But you may need to relax a bit and mind ur own business. (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Not sure what you are insinuating Rob. But you may need to relax a bit and mind ur own business. (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 You posted it at 5:52 here. For a reason that we are looking into, the post was unapproved. The only time that a post should be unapproved is under strictly limited conditions - such as copyright infringement, obscenity, hateful attacks, etc. In my view, critical commentary should be tolerated. . .so long as it's written in a constructive manner. I put controls in place a while ago for Team Shelby that prohibits the permanent deletion of topics, so I found the topic and approved it. I will put more controls in place, such as alerting me personally when a post is hidden. I'm sorry that the topic was hidden from view. Good post Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Barnett Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 The only thing I can say is, don't believe everything you read on the Internet. TMZ is "Tabloid Media" and we all know the Tabloids NEVER get anything wrong.... However, that is a very interesting article. I too picked up on the alleged statement that Shelby wasn't physically or mentally capable of signing his name. I've seen Media interviews with Shelby alert and somewhat healthy although I did notice his physical condition deteriate over time. Phill I agree Phil, but we must remember the Eagles song " Dirty Laundry"!! Sad to say this is what a lot of our "news" has become. I will always be glad that I got to meet him last year. I was a teen when the Shelby mustangs came out and always wanted one and I love my 2010 500. RIP CS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I agree Phil, I like to always remind folks...Consider the source. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Mojavi Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think Mr. Shelby might say: What the hell does all this have to do with "shiftin gears and driven fast?!! So sit down shuddup and DRIVE!!! SHELBY RULES !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadavis525 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Everyone has their own Drama no matter who you are, we're all human and mix in a little fame and fortune....forget it. Rest in Peace Sir...rest in Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 "estranged from Carroll since he petitioned for divorce back in 2010" This is what I don't understand. I have seen a LOT of Photos from 2011 AND 2012 that shows Carroll and Cleo together having a nice time with both smiling and enjoying each others company........like Husband and Wife. Was it all a sham or is the statement false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 There is a video out from Fox news on this story. They interviewed Carroll's son Pat Shelby and also talk about the fact that all Carrolls assets and money belong to the foundation so this is not about money. So they say. They also talk about a deposition on Cleo that is getting ready to take place today to figure out why she is doing this. I found it interesting that they said that Cleo talked Carroll out of completing the divorce. Here is the interview: http://www.myfoxdfw....ver-his-remains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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