2010KonaBlueGT Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Those that have installed MGW shifter, did the dealer install without issue? Seems they might not want to do this nor warranty it. Well of course they won't warranty it. It's not their product. MGW would be the company to warranty it. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The fact that the shifter is attached to the trans AND to the chassis seems relevant to me. It might induce some resistance in the shifting under full throttle. Makes sense to me. For some other reasons, I was thinking about lowering my engine 3/4" with Steeda adjustable mounts that have poly bushings. Maybe that should also stiffen things and limit the twisting effect of torque on the trans and on the shifter... ? Anyone did that and have some facts to share? I do not have any issue with my trans (2012 GT500 with 2K miles) but I am a "slow" and "careful" shifter anyway... But I don't do any drag race or acceleration, I only do canyon carving type of driving. I noticed VERY different behavior of the trans when cold or when hot, though! When cold, I shift like a grandma...and it's kind of hard to change gears: It can take two seconds to have it from 1st to 2nd by maintaining gentle pressure on the shifter! When hot, I can shift without extra care and without effort, up and down, any gear. All of that with the stock shifter in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjak Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 The problem is the rubber isolation on the stock shifter. basically, it sucks. I could not believe how feeble this stock shifter was compared to the MGW when I removed it. They way it mounts, the handle, the shift arms...Yeah I see why I would miss power shifts now. With my MGW in, and the fact my build has the new parts, 1~2 shifts are a thing of the past. The real issue is that some cars has the upgraded tranny parts that Ford are replacing through the warranty work, and some do not. Even if you have the upgraded parts, the STOCK shifter can still cause the 1~2 miss. So until the Shifter issue is resolved, along with the Tranny part issue, this problem is going to exist for the 12's and 11's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 With my MGW in, and the fact my build has the new parts, 1~2 shifts are a thing of the past. I will assume you mean MISSED 1~2 shits are a thing of the past? Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdreed1265 Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 I will assume you mean MISSED 1~2 shits are a thing of the past? Phill I assume you mean missed 1~2 SHIFTS are a thing of the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I assume you mean missed 1~2 SHIFTS are a thing of the past? Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 The problem is the rubber isolation on the stock shifter. basically, it sucks. I could not believe how feeble this stock shifter was compared to the MGW when I removed it. They way it mounts, the handle, the shift arms...Yeah I see why I would miss power shifts now. With my MGW in, and the fact my build has the new parts, 1~2 shifts are a thing of the past. The real issue is that some cars has the upgraded tranny parts that Ford are replacing through the warranty work, and some do not. Even if you have the upgraded parts, the STOCK shifter can still cause the 1~2 miss. So until the Shifter issue is resolved, along with the Tranny part issue, this problem is going to exist for the 12's and 11's. So you tell us that the MGW solved your shifting problem between 1st and second. With no other mods to the car. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjak Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 So you tell us that the MGW solved your shifting problem between 1st and second. With no other mods to the car. Right? Yes. As I said I had a Ford Engie come out and speak to me about what parts actually go into the tranny fix. As I said, the part numbers in my build are the ones that they put in when people have the clutch and shift issue. But, even with those new parts, the shifter is still the issue. The Engineer basically said, without coming right out and saying it, you need a better shifter. Either wait for Ford, or buy your own. I bought my own. Since installing, I have not had a 1~2 problem. I can shift at wot, and it goes. If you look at the stock shifter its garbage. It really is. I am amaze that we pay 55k+ for these cars and this is what they put in. My advice is to try to find out what year you have as a build, and then go with the shifter of your choice. To help anyone, my build is Nov 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyLee Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Day 10 Update: Dealer called late in the day and left me a msg. Replacing 2nd gear synchros and 2nd gear. I am to get the car back next Tuesday (Day 12). More to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrissman Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Well your scheduled repair sadly sounds quite similar, to a few others I have read. Hopefully you wont be like some and be without your car for a month and it still grinds. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyLee Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 So this is the 2nd weekend I've been without the Shelby. Looking forward to getting it back this week and it better be right. For those that have had this repair, is there a break in period I need to be aware off before seeing if its resolved? I assume the dealer will try their hand at seeing if the repair resolved the grinding in a post repair road test so I assume I can do the same when I get it back. Also, not sure how to describe it but before I took it in, when I shifted into second normally (not driving like a bat out of hell), it had a slight pause or bump before it went into 2nd fully from first. Is this normal or will the repair resolve that as well? Will the MGW shifter resolve this? Thanks everyone! Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre500 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 My 10 is at the dealer for the 1-2 lockout and 4-5 lockout. They agreed to fix it, parts on order, Ill post results as soon as i get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Also, not sure how to describe it but before I took it in, when I shifted into second normally (not driving like a bat out of hell), it had a slight pause or bump before it went into 2nd fully from first. Is this normal or will the repair resolve that as well? Will the MGW shifter resolve this? Thanks everyone! Chad +1 !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 ShelbyLee, I have that bump your talking about. Its normal. I like to say the stock shifter is a 2 part shifter. Everytime I shift it takes 2 clicks to get it in pretty much through gears 2n-4th. 5th and 6th don't have it. But 1-2 has it worse than any other shift. Oh and try downshifting from 3-2 that one is REAL bad. I would buy the MGW if it cures this problem. I think this is what is known for being "notchy". I could be wrong about that. But if the MGW makes it so that it goes right in without the hesitation and that double click or bump feel I would definitely be interested in the MGW. Its funny if you push the clutch in and just push the shifter all the way left a few times without going into any gear then try to go into first or 2nd it slips into the gear smooth as butter. I wish it shifted like that all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Its funny if you push the clutch in and just push the shifter all the way left a few times without going into any gear then try to go into first or 2nd it slips into the gear smooth as butter. I wish it shifted like that all the time. I am going to try that. So even the 2013 shows the same shifting thing! And I thought all 2013 had a hopped-up tranny...to avoid this!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 The hopped up tranny is to avoid 1-2 grind. I have no 1-2 grind whether I shift with a cold/warm tranmission, whether the pedal is in all the way or 3/4 of the way. I can not make my car grind. Though I have yet to do a single WOT so it may grind then but I rather not test that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrissman Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 My completely stock 2012 also has the 2nd little bump going into 2nd gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011SHELBYGT500CONV Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 My completely stock 2012 also has the 2nd little bump going into 2nd gear. Not too completely stock...I noticed you have aftermarket Red "GT500" floormats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrissman Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Not too completely stock...I noticed you have aftermarket Red "GT500" floormats. Your right I completely forgot about those. Ok my slightly modified car also has that 2nd little bump going into 2nd gear. :-). The original floor mats are in the box the Lloyds came in, and are sitting in the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre500 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Update, called the dealer to verify that all the parts that need to be ordered were put on order. I provided them with a list of parts including a new clutch and shifter that other 10-12 GT500 owners had replaced. Nope they only ordered 2nd gear synchro. Said they need to tear down the transmisson to verify what parts are bad. So now my car will sit on a lift until my dealer can figure out what parts are defective. Called my Ford CC rep t try to get the dealer authorization to order ALL the parts and all i get is voice mail and no return calls. Now I'm a patient man but they really are starting to piss me off. Its pitiful Ford should be ashamed of themselves. I believe this is the solution to the grind/lockout is to have the shifter, clutch and syncro's replaced to fix the issue. Here is the repair list. 7r3z 7a082 a kit trans control selector ar3z 7124aa syncro assy 1-2 ar3z 7107a ring syncro 1r3z 7052aa seal asy oil 7r3z 7052a seal asy oil ar3z 7b096a Pin roll ar3z 7102ab gear main shaft 2nd speed cr3z 7400a control asy -gear shift cr3z 7b546a clutch asy Basically new syncro, shifter and clutch from the 2013 GT500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hope you enjoy that firmer pedal and high engagement point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre500 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Is the 13 High..... How high?.. I don't mind firm, they're supposedly putting them in the 10-12s now.. when they release the TSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyLee Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Well, after 16 days in the shop, I picked up the Shelby last night. Transmission smooth but didn't test the 1-2 shift under hard acceleration yet. Shifts from 1 to 2 with much more ease...very slight bump. None if shifted with authority. Figured I would let the transmission break in slightly before I try under hard acceleration. Here is what they found/replaced: 1 AR3Z*7102*AB - Gear - Mainshaft 2nd Speed 1 AR3Z*7124*AA - Synchronizer Asy - 1st and 2nd 17R3Z*7A082*A - Kit - Transm Control Selector 1 AR3Z*7107*A Ring - Synchronizer 1 7R3Z*7107*A - 1st Synchronizer Blocking Ring 7R3Z7A082A - Kit Transm Control Selector Lock Tech wrote: Road test and verified difficulty on 1-2 shift. Grinding into gear. Remove transmission, mount on bench, disassemble and found 2nd gear synchronizer teeth stripped. Synchronizer difficult to move into 2nd and blocking rings burned. Replaced 2nd gear, synchronizer and blocking rings. Assemble transmission, roadtest and return to Owner. Can't wait for this weekend to have some fun! I think the MGW shifter in on my Christmas wish list however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Is the 13 High..... How high?.. I don't mind firm, they're supposedly putting them in the 10-12s now.. when they release the TSB. High as in like literally you put that clutch in like half an inch and its engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrissman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 For the sake of conversation, there is a "suggested" break-in recommendation on the tremec forum. Basically lots of stop and go and work through all the gears. I actually did do this because I had read about the grind before I bought mine. I think it has helped, I have ground a few times always when the transmission and or outside temperature was cold. In the summer when it's hot out after driving a few miles it has never ground. But I can honestly say I never try to slam the gears with a instant 1-2 shift just out of fear of damaging the tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre500 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Well, after 16 days in the shop, I picked up the Shelby last night. Transmission smooth but didn't test the 1-2 shift under hard acceleration yet. Shifts from 1 to 2 with much more ease...very slight bump. None if shifted with authority. Figured I would let the transmission break in slightly before I try under hard acceleration. Here is what they found/replaced: 1 AR3Z*7102*AB - Gear - Mainshaft 2nd Speed 1 AR3Z*7124*AA - Synchronizer Asy - 1st and 2nd 17R3Z*7A082*A - Kit - Transm Control Selector 1 AR3Z*7107*A Ring - Synchronizer 1 7R3Z*7107*A - 1st Synchronizer Blocking Ring 7R3Z7A082A - Kit Transm Control Selector Lock Tech wrote: Road test and verified difficulty on 1-2 shift. Grinding into gear. Remove transmission, mount on bench, disassemble and found 2nd gear synchronizer teeth stripped. Synchronizer difficult to move into 2nd and blocking rings burned. Replaced 2nd gear, synchronizer and blocking rings. Assemble transmission, roadtest and return to Owner. Can't wait for this weekend to have some fun! I think the MGW shifter in on my Christmas wish list however. I guess they tore yours down before they ordered any parts..... had you wait for 16 days.... that's what I call great service... they should issue a TSB like they did for the 07-09's. Just plain sad and poor business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Here we go... At 02:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrissman Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 No surprises here, faster than the Camaro.. yup. Grinds going into second...Yuuup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickshelby Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 No surprises here, faster than the Camaro.. yup. Grinds going into second...Yuuup Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyLee Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Glad to have the car back. No issues have returned but kept running it through the gears repeatedly while it was warm yesterday to ensure the tranny fully broken back in before I try a high RPM shift from 1 to 2. Watched the video above and Ford should be really concerned about the transmission shift. A TSB can't be far behind for the 2013 as well. Shouldn't Tremec be concerned as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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