Ezkill Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 So I was searching around the forum for the things people were experiencing with new Shelby's....bumper paint and a few other minor things. I was curious to see what new Camaro owners were experiencing and holy smokes! Now I won't have my 500 until spring/summer but I've owned a lot of mustangs and fords in general. I've never seen anything like this 62 point list to check for the Camaro: 001. Loose Bolts that hold fluid back causing leaks (ex: on oil pan, tranny fluid) 002. Trunk Locking mechanism (issues with opening w/o adding down pressure to top of trunk first and/or emergency release appears to be loose keeping the trunk from locking properly) 003. Loose plastic paneling around the 4-gauges cluster, launch control, cigarette power plug as well as Left and Right A-Pillars Trim Loose, sill trim loose, and dash pannel where doors and dash meet popping open. 004. Loose Spoiler/installed correctly (Re-torque Spoiler bolts) 005. Wiper transmission cable overheating from engine causing a short circuit. 006. Matching Headlight Halos strength. (one defective being dimmer then the other). 007. Mismatched paint on parts of the vehicle (including gas door). As well as paint runs or clear coat runs. Paint Chips. 008. Loose Rocker Panel "Chevrolet" causing it to peel off. 009. Minor Problem With Window Indexing. 010. Ambient Lighting on doors defective. 011. Bad radiator (leaks). 012. Hood release/latch issues (won't unhook to open the hood). 013. Gap at base of ONStar Antenna. 014. Battery cable routing near the starter has been done. 015. Digital Speedometer is off. Also keeps going on and off. 016. Bottom pulley shakes and needs replacement per dealer. 017. Broken tranny. 018. Ignition Mechanism Issue with key getting stuck in car. 019. Non RS taillights installed on RS equipped cars (all 4 of them). 020. Rocker Panel aligned with body and clipped in correctly. 021. Bumper rubs with body 022. Trunk opens with switch and remote 023. Correct speedo/tach gauge ring color 023. Ambient lighting on drivers door as bright as passenger door 024. Doors gaps /alignment 025. Dirt/bubbles in rally stripes 026. Door panel not scratched from seat belt. 027. Shift knobs wearing out extremely fast could be faulty material 028. AC system stops blowing cold air in random durations, most likely blockage in AC drainage and/or AC draining into the car instead of beneath it 029. Clunking noise in changing gears 030. Trunk opens with remote and laser cut key 031. USB drive and aux port works 032. Squeaky Breaks 033. GFX installed correctly 034. Rims and tires in good condition (coming off carrier in bad condition/damaged) 035. Check for damage in the interior, basic procedure 036. Check the locking mechanism of both doors 037. Scraping sound for a second when backing up 038. SS emblem on trunk is loose 039. Loose interior windshield trim loose 040. The front GFX lip is not coming loose at the double sided tape 041. The front passenger brake rotors are not wearing with a dark colored groove 042. Hood latch handle on inside of cab doesn't retract properly (just hangs) 043. Scratches in seats 044. Oil cooler leaking 045. Once in every 10-15 times I unlock the car, the drivers side door is still locked, while the locking knob on the door is in the "up" position 046. Faulty as gauge (improper readings) 047. Missing paint around the headlights 048. Bleed screw on clutch slave cylinder loose 049. Stickers on rockers peelin 050. Scratches on window pillars 051. Misaligned body & door panels as well as hood not centered properly (more to one side then the other) 052. Alignment of doors to dash interior the door interior seems to sag below the dash interior 053. Drivers side roof light( the one with the toggle switch) only works when its toggled over to the passenger side 054. Door sill decals peeling up 055. Paint swirls in driver/passenger door 056. Drive-shaft connection to the differential cracking when dropping the clutch 057. Tach Needle Sticking 058. Wiper motor wiring comes through bottom of the cowling-well in front of the driver. (The fix (decided upon between the dealer and myself) was to re-insulate the wires, cover the harness with a hard, slick plastic covering, drill a small hole in the bottom of the cowling-well (fill the hole with silicone) and use a cable tie down like the rest of the wiper harness uses to secure the harness to the floor of the cowling (the grommet will collapse downward with little force), far away from harm from the wiper arms.) 059. engine makes continuous clicking noise, starting roughly 5 seconds after engine starts 060. Door Sill plates wrinkled on outside edges (both sides) 061. Trunk gasket at bottom of rear window coming off 062. Uneven Dash (driver's side dash is lower then passenger's side) 063. Passenger/Driver's side Fender alignment off. (wheel cover well had to come off, then loosen fender bolt, and it pops right in place) 064. Key won't stay in folded position 065. Faulty Tail lights. 066. Weather stripping at back of rear windows loose (I can literally grab and peel it back). 067. Missing or peeling paint between trunk lid and spoiler (right rear section)-could possibly spread over time down the trunk lid. 068. Driver's seat makes clicking noises when set all the way back. I'm stunned, and I guess ill just keep buying my fords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pos racing Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 ahh our tax money in action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRA SCOTTY Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO CUT CORNERS AND LABOR PAYROLL YOU GET EXPERIENCED PEOPLE BEING LAID OFF OR EARLY BUY-OUTS AND 89 DAYERS COMING IN FOR THE SUMMER TO ALLOW VACATION TIME FOR LINE WORKERS AND NEW PEOPLE BEING HIRED ; THAT ARE NOT EXPERIENCED IN ASSEMBLY ; TO REPLACE BOUGHT OUT EMPLOYEES. THE END RESULTS ARE POOR QUALITY AND ASSEMBLY. NOT ALL OF THAT LIST IS RELATED TO THESE PROBLEMS. HOWEVER HAVING BEEN IN CHARGE OF QUALITY CONTROL FOR OVER 10 YEARS WITH THE MUSTANG FINAL ASSEMBLY I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT LAUNCHING A TOTALLY NEW PRODUCT WITH OUT THE RIGHT OR EXPERIENCED PEOPLE PROVIDING THE PROPER CHECKS AND BALANCES NEEDED TO HAVE A SOUND AND CONSISTENT PRODUCT WHEN IT HITS THE STREETS. SCOTTY / FORD MOTOR CO. RETIRED / BUY-OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalsb Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am sorry to say that I purchased the 1st 2010 Camaro to arrive on my dealer's lot in May. I counted 20 issues I have experienced from your list, plus several others. To top it all off, the dealer will not fix anything properly. Paint is peeling off each side of the bumper in 5 inch strips and they wanted to use touch up paint (the kind you brush on) to fix it. That is the only issue that they have offered to "fix". With every other issue, from brakes locking up to a non-functional radio, they have simply shrugged their shoulders and said "that's normal" for a new car. It is one of the worst examples of quality control and service I have ever witnessed. At least it made my decision for my weekend car easier - I am dropping the Z06 from consideration and going with a GT500KR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezkill Posted November 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am sorry to say that I purchased the 1st 2010 Camaro to arrive on my dealer's lot in May. I counted 20 issues I have experienced from your list, plus several others. To top it all off, the dealer will not fix anything properly. Paint is peeling off each side of the bumper in 5 inch strips and they wanted to use touch up paint (the kind you brush on) to fix it. That is the only issue that they have offered to "fix". With every other issue, from brakes locking up to a non-functional radio, they have simply shrugged their shoulders and said "that's normal" for a new car. It is one of the worst examples of quality control and service I have ever witnessed.At least it made my decision for my weekend car easier - I am dropping the Z06 from consideration and going with a GT500KR. Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that. The list actually came from a Chevy forum and then was picked up by Autoblog. I know the GT500 has quality issues as many people have pointed out on the board. However, those quality issues really seem trivial compared to a list like this. I'm a car guy through and through and when I pick up a new shiny, as my wife calls it, I wan't it to be as perfect as possible so I feel my 40,50,60 thousand was well spent. I'm happy to say that ford has always met or exceeded my expectations even in a model year and on the one occasion they didn't they made it right(2 roof replacements on a 2000 mustang GT vert). Seeing stuff like this upsets me because I know how quickly it can spoil your new car experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 That list is WAY to long!! Auto Alliance wouldnt ship the 2010 GT500 because a small airbag cover problem. They didnt want the customers having to take it back to the dealer to get it fixed! Looks like GM just wanted the cars delivered! Who cares if they have problems!!! Keep up the good work FORD!!! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 My father was The head R&D electrical engineer for Mobil Oil for over 20 years, running tests on the new models each year to see how Mobil products woked in the cars and trucks. He always told me one should NEVER buy the first model year of a new car because they ususally rush to get them out before the bugs are worked out. This seems to be the case in point with the Camaro. The first 2 Fords I owned in the 70's were junk and nothing but trouble. I became a loyal GM owner for 40 years until I broke out and bought my 07 SGT. Since it is a made in Vegas Shelby, I let the fact that it was a Ford first slide. :hysterical When I had to replace my daily driver 4x4 in Sept., I decided not to look at a GM or Chrysler produce because of the bail out and their uncertain futures. I again looked at Ford and bought an F-150 4x4. I can see both on my SGT and F-150 why Ford doesn't want to play Obama's game. The quality of my new Fords is far superior to what the other guys offer. Ford seems to have a more complete line of vehicles since their hands are not bound to make waht the Government dictates. No wonder they are turning a profit in the tough times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY500SS Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am sorry to say that I purchased the 1st 2010 Camaro to arrive on my dealer's lot in May. I counted 20 issues I have experienced from your list, plus several others. To top it all off, the dealer will not fix anything properly. Paint is peeling off each side of the bumper in 5 inch strips and they wanted to use touch up paint (the kind you brush on) to fix it. That is the only issue that they have offered to "fix". With every other issue, from brakes locking up to a non-functional radio, they have simply shrugged their shoulders and said "that's normal" for a new car. It is one of the worst examples of quality control and service I have ever witnessed.At least it made my decision for my weekend car easier - I am dropping the Z06 from consideration and going with a GT500KR. Oh man the stinks. Sorry to hear about your Camero problems. Seems managements answer to quality issues haven't changed much over at GM. Back in 1983 I purchased a new Camero and had nothing but problems. Needed a new clutch every 8k miles, starter every 6 months and every time it rained hard the car would not start due to "electrical problems". I got the same "that's normal" BS from everyone at GM, and I mean everyone. From service managers at six different dealerships to the top district manager for all the southwest states. After 4 years and 32k miles I finally junked the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Yeah, GM parts are cheap because they always need to be replaced...Ford parts are expensive because they are normally reliable...Ive always known that.... I had a 1999 Suburban that when I sold it, I had spent over 60k in parts and labor on a 25 page report I sent along to the new owner....can you beleive that? It was in GREAT shape when I sold it, and I loved my suburban, but finally got tired of the sweatbox issues I had with the front A/C not blowing hard enough to cool....the high setting on the fan didnt blow harder, just LOUDER...freeze you out in the back of the cabin with the rear unit, but I cant drive it from the third seat. That was the end of my GM ownership. I cant beleive all the problems you guys are having....I like the camaro on the showroom floor, but thats where it ends.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormeaston Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hey........they're made in Canadaaaa, they just got away from using wooden wheels up there!!!! Just kidding around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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