kahmann Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 ^ I feel the same way Chuck. At the time of install, my cams didn't require the limiters. Somewhere between then and now, Comp realized that they had made a mistake, so they began requiring limiter/lock-out installs with these very cams. I really wish that this info had been available to me for obvious reasons. Hopefully Comp will continue to have an open ear towards all of this. We'll see how it goes. On a related note, I finally got some time to wrench on the engine after work today. I was able to get the transmission separated from the engine. The Moroso oil pan causes an interference for the bellhousing's two bottom bolts, because the pan's kickouts are in the way. So it was necessary to hoist the engine with the cherry picker, while supporting the transmission with our overhead trolley, then drop the pan, pull the two bellhousing bolts, re-install the pan, then drop the entire assembly back on the ground. It became quite a little task. I'll get pics up tomorrow of how it looks now. I'm currently debating on whether I should just drop the engine off at the machine shop the way it is now or if I should continue the engine tear down myself. The former would be a quicker solution. The latter would be a cheaper solution and I'd continue learning about this peculiar little 3V. I need to decide what I'm doing in that regard by the end of this week. I'll keep the thread posted. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07-2937 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Carefull on pulling everything apart unless your going to put it all back together.. Some places charge extra for "basket cases" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Almost everything is getting replaced anyway. I've done this a time or two, so labeling and bagging everything is understood. If anything, I'd like to continue my education with the 3V. I have a handy little DVD that devildog sent me (made my SHM) along with a few books detailing out the step by step process of modular motor tear down. Thanks for the heads up though. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kahmann Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Here's my slick little chain fall at work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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William Rodgers Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Wow, you have a lot of work to do. Can not wait to see the finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 ^Yeah it'll be a good deal of work for sure. I'll definitely keep the threads posted on the progress. I'm going to get some of the specialty Motorcraft tools on order today that I'll need for the tear down. Here's a site that I found with much of the tools I'll need: http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Rotunda-M..._c_884-1-3.html Does anyone happen to have the part # for the Snap-On balancer puller that works with this engine? I've got a puller set that I've used in the past on it, but it's less than ideal for this application. Also, will this crankshaft holding tool work for the 3V? It's the only one I'm finding. http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Motorcraf...ol_p_20161.html Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog350 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 ^Yeah it'll be a good deal of work for sure. I'll definitely keep the threads posted on the progress. I'm going to get some of the specialty Motorcraft tools on order today that I'll need for the tear down. Here's a site that I found with much of the tools I'll need: http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Rotunda-M..._c_884-1-3.html Does anyone happen to have the part # for the Snap-On balancer puller that works with this engine? I've got a puller set that I've used in the past on it, but it's less than ideal for this application. Also, will this crankshaft holding tool work for the 3V? It's the only one I'm finding. http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Motorcraf...ol_p_20161.html Ken Ken, here is the Ford Part#303-D121 for the Puller, Snap-on should be able to Cross Ref. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 ^ Thanks again for your help Frank. Snap-On couldn't use the number, so I called OTC. They say the OTC-1023 is the equivalent and at a great price: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/OTC-1023/?image=large Looks like I've already got the right puller in my tool box, however, so I'm set there. I just got these tools ordered from my local Ford dealer: http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Motorcraf...ol_p_20105.html http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Motorcraf...ol_p_20161.html http://www.handsontools.com/Ford-Motorcraf...--_p_38056.html EDIT: Well I ended up ordering a new puller anyway. And I found one from Snap-On that works. It just doesn't list any Ford on the application guide, but Snap-On confirmed that it's correct for the 3V, just in case anyone was wondering. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P6...amp;dir=catalog I also got a couple of new Snap-On torque wrenches on order, along with a new speed ratchet set, some brushes, etc etc. There's a reason my wife tried figuring out a way to block Snap-On's website from all of our computers a year or so ago! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I got a whole lot done today. Here's me pulling the crank pulley and water pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Here I am yanking the timing cover off. This gasket set is not reusable FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I then pulled the crank trigger wheel. Then the timing chain guides and tensioners came out, allowing me to remove the timing chains and crank gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I pulled the cam bolts with my impact gun. No cam gear lockout tool was necessary. Here are both cam sprockets. These bolts are not reusable FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Here I am pulling the cam timing solenoids. Just a couple bolts and dowels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Here's a shot of some metal shavings lying in a galley near the oil pump. It gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Here's the cam removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Pulling the heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Pulled the clutch, flywheel, and flexplate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Pulling the oil pan, windage tray, and oil pickup tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Oil pump removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Con rods and pistons coming out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 The connecting rod bearings had deep grooves in them. This motor absolutely needed to come apart, after seeing these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kahmann Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Here are the heads, ready to be shipped to MMR for rebuild, port, and polish. The cams are boxed up and getting shipped to Comp Monday morning. I get back from Vegas next Thursday night. Friday, the block goes to the machine shop, along with the new MMR stroker kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tispco Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Looks like you are making some good progress. Thanks for posting the pictures. The last motor I rebuilt was a '64 260 v8. Quite a bit has changed since then!! The bearing picture looks terrible. If you had any doubts about having to do a rebuild, that definitely confirms the need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 ^Thanks man. The last motor I rebuilt was the 289 out of my 66 2+2. This is my first mod motor tear down and you're right, it's a whole lot different than an old Ford SB. I just got back from Vegas today and was disappointed not to find a big box from MMR on my front doorstep. I'll call them in the morning. I don't want to drop the block at the machine shop without the new internals. I just don't want them to get ahead of themselves with the machining, without having the new pistons in hand first. I'll get updates and pics whenever I have them. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 That's a bummer Ken. Maybe the weather or extra seasonal mailing slowed things down. I hope that's all and they show up today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 The crank alone arrived today. The rest of the stroker kit won't ship until Monday apparently. I got a few new parts on order through MMR today though. -ATI Super Street crank damper (25% overdrive) -ARP damper bolt -ARP head studs -ARP flywheel bolts -Felpro extreme duty head gaskets -MMR billet steel timing trigger wheel This stuff will all apparently ship Monday as well. I also got the engine block delivered to Motor Machines today for the cleaning. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARALD KELLEY Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks for sharing this project. I doubt I will ever take such project on but it is nice to see what these motors look like. Different than my 351 C Mach 1 I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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