ShelbyGT/SC Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 What brand is the clutch option? I am thinking of going with this SR at some point but need a clutch sooner than later. Would want to get the same clutch then when I have SAI do the SR, I'll just have them leave the new clutch in the trunk for when I need to replace again down the road. Can someone tell me the brand and model so I can have Tasca install one for now? I assume that also includes a pressure plate of the same brand as the clutch and assume it's aluminum? Thanks Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerS Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Adam, I think Dennis is installing a dual disc. Don't remember the brand through. He is using them on most of the high HP cars he is doing. The SR clutch is pretty stiff. Not daily driver friendly on the ole leg! Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Rodgers Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dennis swears by the Mcleod Twin Disk, when I get a clutch I will be going with this. He has not steered me wrong yet. He said he has used it on cars making 600+ HP and it does not slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC2873 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dennis swears by the Mcleod Twin Disk, when I get a clutch I will be going with this. He has not steered me wrong yet. He said he has used it on cars making 600+ HP and it does not slip. +1 that is what Dennis recommended to me as well, but I ended up going w/ the Spec 2. Spec 2 pulls like a mule but chattered a good bit. It is finally starting to calm down w/ about 800 miles on it. If I did it over again, I probably would go w/ the McLeod. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRA SCOTTY Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dennis swears by the Mcleod Twin Disk, when I get a clutch I will be going with this. He has not steered me wrong yet. He said he has used it on cars making 600+ HP and it does not slip. +++ 100 % ON THE MCLEOD TWIN DISK ; USED BY MOST NMRA COMPETITORS. :happy feet: SCOTTY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 ^ Agreed. McLeod is the only way to go. Once the Centerforce in my 66 goes south, I'll be going with the McLeod the next time around. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeGreenGT Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Do yourselves a favor and get the Ford Racing FR500CJ clutch line also. It does wonders for pedal feel and really makes a stiff clutch feel lighter buy using all the hydraulic pressure to push on the slave instead of swell the line. I have never used a McLeod, but have no reason to think it isn't a good piece. The only brand I refuse to install or sell is the one with a blue pressure plate. To many issues. As bad as being cracked out of the box! Here's an article I wrote for my webstore under my clutch kits: So you installed a new clutch...a few weeks later it failed. You probably are wondering why. This may hurt. About 99% of the time you can look in the mirror for your answer. •Did you go cheap? Undersized for the power level of your vehicle. •Did you "cheat"? Didn't replace the throwout bearing or slave cylinder? Didn't resurface the flywheel? •Does your pedal operate freely? Is the cable smooth when not attached to the clutch fork? •Is the fork pivot galled? •The biggest set back...Did you properly break it in? You are probably asking yourself..."Break it in?" YES! You have to properly "bed in" a new clutch just like new brakes, a new flat tappet camshaft, or anything else with mechanical parts that rub against each other and have to get to know one another. When you bed in a clutch you transfer some of the friction material from the disc to the flywheel and pressure plate in a controlled environment. Just like new brakes. To bed in your new clutch you don't go out into the street and do a 6,000 RPM launch to see if it grabs. If you do that, you have just wasted your Saturday afternoon and those cuts on your knuckles were for nothing. Start off easy, release the clutch as quickly as possible without "riding" the pedal and get underway quickly. Do not shift with the throttle mashed to the floor. Granny shift...complete throttle off and clutch all the way in. Boring right? Yup! But if you like pulling transmissions stop reading and go driving. If you want the most life out of your clutch, drive it the way stated above for at least 500 miles before punishing it. Now, if you did all the above and your clutch still failed, chances are it was poor quality or over rated by the manufacturer for your intended use. There are many types of failures, way to many to list on here. Just do a search for clutch failures on the web and you will find most scenarios with pictures, and probably a trend as to which brands to avoid. At Blue Collar Performance we have been through enough clutches over the years to be able to spot "junk" after a thorough inspection following a failure. We personally have used 5 different clutch and flywheel combos in the Supercharged 2006 Mustang that competed in the 2008 NMRA Drag Racing Season. These included single disc, multi-disc, puck type, Kevlar and cerametallic. We had failures in as little as 5 passes and as many as 20. Every time the clutch was properly broken in and a new slave installed. Believe it or not, until we ended up with the current Exedy clutch, the best clutch was the stock unit. Speaking with an independent clutch rebuilder we have determined that it is hard to beat the quality of the stock Ford pressure plate up to 400hp. The disc may get a little torn up, but we never experienced a catastrophic failure like the others prior to the Exedy. For the majority of manual transmission vehicle owners, if you buy a quality clutch and follow proper break in, you will be fine and never have an issue. Now, for you 2005+ Mustang owners, you probably have heard about and seen failures in every shape and size. The web is littered with clutch horror stories, adjustable slave cylinders, lots of new theories and clutch voodoo. Our personal findings and recommendations are the following: •The proper Exedy clutch for your power level •New or Resurfaced Flywheel •New Clutch Slave Cylinder, properly bleed •A replacement Clutch Fluid Line From Ford Racing: #M-7512-A A new clutch line? Yes Sir! It has been our finding that the cheesy plastic clutch line from the factory can not handle any abuse or the added pedal pressure from an aftermarket clutch. Especially with long tube headers, turbochargers or any additional under hood heat. When the plastic line gets hot, and you push on the clutch, the line swells up instead of fully releasing the clutch. That is problem #1. Next is the trapped fluid in the slave cylinder. There is only about a tablespoon of fluid in the slave cylinder that lives inside the transmission bellhousing. This fluid gets hot very quickly when drag racing. So if you can avoid it, do not "hot lap" your car. Allow the clutch to cool off. Get a battery operated fan and slide it under the trans when you pull in from a pass. What happens to the slave? We discovered that the fluid in the slave cylinder on an S197 Mustang boils and expands. When it expands it partially releases the clutch. Not enough to slip when cruising up to the staging lanes, or even doing your burnout. But when the lights drop and you dump the clutch you hear the terrible sound of the rev limiter and you stop moving forward. You let off the gas and try again. VROOM! You creep forward. Then you try a little throttle and it drives fine? To late. The damage is done. You can probably now drive your car normally, but when you try to accelerate hard, it slips. 5th gear on the highway, you push down and it slips a little. Time to get under the car and pull the trans out. What is the real problem? There is air trapped in the slave now from boiling the fluid. You can try to get it out by following the factory recommended bleed procedure. You may want to take the tools with you to bleed the clutch at the track. After a pass, perform a couple bleed cycles and get back in line. We have found this to cut the problem in 1/2. The real fix would be a slave cylinder with an accessible bleeder screw so fresh fluid could be flushed through between passes. We have tried to develop such a slave cylinder, but there wasn't enough interest to justify the cost. We had a dedicated reservoir for the clutch fluid, instead of sharing with the brakes, a bleeder line from the clutch slave to the firewall to open the bleeder screw and draw fresh fluid through the slave. A similar idea could be accomplished with the aftermarket adjustable slaves out there. As they have an external bleeder. We have not used any of those, as the effort to properly set the travel seemed senseless without having a way to bleed it between runs. Lastly, those real high load clutch pressure plates. with all the alleged adding clamping force, the extra effort can force the fluid around the seal in the factory slave cylinder. This will also fail the slave and cause slippage. How was this determined? By careful disassembling and analyzing of failed slave cylinders to see what had happened. We have spent literally thousands of dollars chasing clutch issues in 2008, and have come to a conclusion that suits our needs. Of course this article is in no way all inclusive, and it is only based on OUR experiences and findings. Like anything else in the automotive world it is subjective. Please don't bombard us with argumentative e-mails. Our intent is to help others, not start internet arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyGT/SC Posted November 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Awesome article and feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeGreenGT Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Awesome article and feedback. Thank you. Awesome car you have there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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