jaydub Mach1 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well, this just keeps getting better!!! I guess the Mighty One is too busy to read or be briefed on the health care bill that he is trying to impose on us. He was asked during a conference call with left wing bloggers if House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. And would people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed? Obama replied:"Uh-h-h- I don't know!!" Great!!! This ought to help raise the confidence of voters. http://www.heritage.org/2009/07/21/morning...ith-house-bill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Obama is NOT running the Presidency.....His People are. My guess is that Obama does NOT know what to do and never planed to know what to do.....He is relying on His People to "DO IT" for Him and give Him the Credit............ Rememeber "Milly-Vanilly", the Singing Duo? Same Deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 At least he is consistent and was able to get one of his classic "Uh's" in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MELLOWYELLOW06 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Did you listen to him talk tonight. It was tough to listen to as I could not understand what it was he was saying. Points were all over the place. And the questions that were asked of him, I dont think he even figured out what the hell he was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 The "Junior Senator from Illinois" is a clown, how reasonably smart people voted for this guy boggles the mind. He NEVER answers anything...great dancer though, dances around each question without any answers of substance... Just ask the Canadians and Brits how they like waiting for months for medical care...universal health care...my ass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT! Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life! This is just for starters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 You've all heard it in the news, Obama's Health Care "reform". So what all is in this bill? I feel that it is important to look into this, since not even the President himself knows what all is in it. (proven by his lack of knowledge in recent interviews) Here's a summary of the bill: (this is lengthy, if you cannot get through all of it, at least skip down to the bottom and read lines 429, 430 that discuss end of life scenarios) Trust me, just reading a few lines enough will make you want to reach out and choke the nearest govt official! Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!! Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice! Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued! Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer. Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN). Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange. Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare! Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens. Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed. Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice. Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly. Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary) Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE! Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll. Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll. Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income. Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay) Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records. Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that! Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected. Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same! Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans. Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries. Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs. Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions. Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you. Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own! Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand. Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!! Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing. Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan. Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable! Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone? Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients. Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory! Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide) Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends. Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT! Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life! Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!? Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN? Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage. Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. CHANGE you can believe in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Holy crap SD....that is making my head spin, and thats probably just the tip...I need a Vodka, and start planning my independent republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 All I can do is sit back and laugh at our so-called Prez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sounds like the only ones Benefiting are the illegal aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sounds like the only ones Benefiting are the illegal aliens. Ted Kennedy should be the first to try Obamacare. What...that would be a problem for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals (More like 42 million) Sunday, July 19, 2009 By: David A. Patten On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation's estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama. The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan. The Democratic plan will embrace Obama's vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America - a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens. http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_ca.../19/237484.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOWN Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Obama has to crame as much as he can down R throats and hope that some of it will stick. Obama only has a little window to try ALL his Lib socialist ideas before the AMERICAN people wake up and really see who obama really is. Time TIME time is on R side OYes it is. Rolling stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 The Democratic plan will embrace Obama's vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America - a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens. To the Uninsured? The way it reads to me is to "ALL" Americans and to all Illegals making My Job Supplied Coverage Voided and having to get His. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You've all heard it in the news, Obama's Health Care "reform". So what all is in this bill? I feel that it is important to look into this, since not even the President himself knows what all is in it. (proven by his lack of knowledge in recent interviews) Here's a summary of the bill: (this is lengthy, if you cannot get through all of it, at least skip down to the bottom and read lines 429, 430 that discuss end of life scenarios) Trust me, just reading a few lines enough will make you want to reach out and choke the nearest govt official! Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable! Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients. Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory! Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide) Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends. Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT! Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life! CHANGE you can believe in! Wouldn't these be considered Terrorist Acts if People Die because of these Rules? And you know People WILL Die because of these Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Wouldn't these be considered Terrorist Acts if People Die because of these Rules? And you know People WILL Die because of these Rules. Nah, people won't die because of the rules. They are already going to die regardless. So why spend money to treat something that will not do any good anyway? At best it would only extend your life for a year or two or three, but you are still going to die! Do you have any idea how much it cost to treat people over the course of a year or two or three? In the end you still die and just end up wasting a lot of good money on something that does no good anyway. So rather than wasting the money on elderly that will die anyway, use it to treat younger people that will live and will be able to keep working whereby being able to produce taxable incomes to keep supporting all the government spending! I'm sure the liberals can spin this much better than I can to justify the reason behind it! Bottomline is government will decide who lives and who dies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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