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[ShelbyDude]

Dude, your actually making my case for me. I like that!

 

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

 

How could the state of HI have his OCOLB if he was born in Kenya? That record is made at the Hospital where you are born, not later, right when you are born. They usually put your hand and or foot prints on it. This statement is saying he was born here. Why cant you get that? Because your delusional.

 

FormerGMC:How many OTHER presidents have had to produce an OCOLB? Post a link if you can find one. Why should Obama? To satisfy some rightwing crazies that hate his guts? He has already produced a government generated BC, but THAT was not good enough. Thats one BC more than any other president in history has.

 

Nothing will be good enough. He knows that. So I think you have gotten all that you will. I dont think he cares whether he has your approval at this point, and no one else but the fringe of the fringe do either.

 

Again, check my link under delusional....

 

:beatdeadhorse:

 

KC666

 

Hawai‘i State Department of Health is a hospital?

 

How could the state of HI have his OCOLB if he was born in Kenya? Because the State of HI allowed foreign births to be registered in HI at that time. Even Obama's sister that was born in Indonesia has a HI BC.

 

Clearly if the State of HI allowed this practice by issuing foreignors original HI birth certificates then it obviously means you don't have to be born there.

 

And if it meant you were born there WHY does the orginal BC have a box to be checked if you are a foreign registered birth or HI registered birth? What would the point of having a foreign registered birth box to be checked on a HI birth certificate be for?

[Boss Doctor]

Snakedoctor: First off I didnt call you a liar or a rascist, saying that I did is a bunch of crap. I said Obama didnt have to pander to rascists to prove he was President. If your not a rascist, then I'm not talking about YOU. If someone thinks that Obama has to prove his elegibility as president to a higher degree because he is not white, to satisfy some rascist elements out there that are uncomfortable about him, too bad.

 

I'm not standing in judgement of anyone. I dont know what is in anyone elses heart or mind, dont claim to. I'm not going to point that finger at anyone. Where do you get off saying "You seem to like to call people racists a lot." ?

 

As far as your BC heres what you said:

" Am I stupid enough to use my parents' names, (such as mother's maiden name), on anything important? No!"

 

How exactly was I to interpret that? Sounds like you did not use real data. Now your saying you did. But you now removed the BC.

 

On Bushes selection, they never counted all the votes so we will never know if he was the winner. The Supreme court ruled that he was the President, so thats it, it's over. The Supreme court in Obamas case ruled that he is the President and that the BC controversy was without merit. Its over.

 

Do I pick an choose what laws I believe in? Believe in, or Obey? I dont obey all laws all the time, do you? Ever speed? If a law is unjust, then I dont believe in it. I may still obey it. The law is clear, the BC has been documented and the Supreme court has ruled. Its over.

 

As far as your internet tough guy routine, take it elsewhere. You want to twist my words and be insulted, then be insulted. You want to debate the facts like gentleman, lets debate. Anything I say here I would say to your face. Deal with it.

 

KC666

I'd explain it all to you at your level, but we don't have a streaming video option to allow you to see the hand puppets.

[ShelbyDude]

Dude, your actually making my case for me. I like that!

 

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

 

How could the state of HI have his OCOLB if he was born in Kenya? That record is made at the Hospital where you are born, not later, right when you are born. They usually put your hand and or foot prints on it. This statement is saying he was born here. Why cant you get that? Because your delusional.

 

FormerGMC:How many OTHER presidents have had to produce an OCOLB? Post a link if you can find one. Why should Obama? To satisfy some rightwing crazies that hate his guts? He has already produced a government generated BC, but THAT was not good enough. Thats one BC more than any other president in history has.

 

Nothing will be good enough. He knows that. So I think you have gotten all that you will. I dont think he cares whether he has your approval at this point, and no one else but the fringe of the fringe do either.

 

Again, check my link under delusional....

 

:beatdeadhorse:

 

KC666

 

 

"How could the state of HI have his OCOLB if he was born in Kenya?"

 

 

Research- In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates

 

Generally, folks don’t know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!

 

1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable: a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

 

2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.

 

3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.

 

4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.

 

5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

 

6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.

 

7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including: a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii? b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii. c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.

 

8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.

 

9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.

 

10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this.