KingCobra666 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Latest Right-Wing Meme: Von Brunn's A Lefty It's hardly been 24 hours since James Von Brunn allegedly walked into the Holocaust Museum and shot museum guard Stephen Johns. But already conservatives from Rush Limbaugh to Red State have started advancing their latest up-is-down meme: Von Brunn -- a white supremacist consumed by hatred of Jews and blacks, who has called for President Obama to release his birth certificate -- isn't really a right-winger -- in fact, he's a lefty. VonBrun Manifesto: "You want my weapons -- this is how you'll get them. The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media." VonBrun Lunacy More Conservative Values....Any of you outraged by this? I am. KC666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Extremes from both ends of the spectrum F-up this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 This guy hates everyone, Bush included. As soon as the shootings occurred, liberals were labling him right-wing. The liberals can't take the heat when it comes back the other way though. Personally I don't think he is left or right; he's just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Read your history. It's really perverse how when anything tragic like this happens the media immediately labels the wackjob as a right wing extremist. The fact is that Hitler (who also hated Jews and blacks) was the head of the National SOCIALIST party. It is also a fact that the left wing Progressives of the early 20th century were also very racist. They were also very fond of and tried to emulate a Fascist named Benito Mussolini. Fascism, while portrayed erroneously by the media as being "right wing" is actually very far left. It is when businesses and people own private property but the property and its use is controlled by the government. Go one click further to the left on the scale, and you have communism where the government owns all private property AND controls its use. Now let's look at the president's supposedly former pastor who was again running his foul mouth last week spewing anti Jewish garbage. Is reverend Wright a "right wing" nut? I think not. Me thinks he is a LEFT wing nut. BTW, the Nazi party made a conscious effort to portray themselves as right wing to gain power in Germany. The sick bastard who shot up the museum was indeed a leftist. Like I said, read your history. History is the key to really understanding what is going on in this country and it will open your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 left or right, this guy was a whack job, and this was a sad turn of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 left or right, this guy was a whack job, and this was a sad turn of events. You are exactly 100% right. I actually don't believe in politicizing tragedies like this as it only serves to pit us against each other but I wanted to address the 'right wing" misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra666 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Read your history. It's really perverse how when anything tragic like this happens the media immediately labels the wackjob as a right wing extremist. The fact is that Hitler (who also hated Jews and blacks) was the head of the National SOCIALIST party. It is also a fact that the left wing Progressives of the early 20th century were also very racist. They were also very fond of and tried to emulate a Fascist named Benito Mussolini. Fascism, while portrayed erroneously by the media as being "right wing" is actually very far left. It is when businesses and people own private property but the property and its use is controlled by the government. Go one click further to the left on the scale, and you have communism where the government owns all private property AND controls its use. Now let's look at the president's supposedly former pastor who was again running his foul mouth last week spewing anti Jewish garbage. Is reverend Wright a "right wing" nut? I think not. Me thinks he is a LEFT wing nut. BTW, the Nazi party made a conscious effort to portray themselves as right wing to gain power in Germany. The sick bastard who shot up the museum was indeed a leftist. Like I said, read your history. History is the key to really understanding what is going on in this country and it will open your eyes. Communism is the most extreme form of leftist perspective. Fascism the most extreme right wing perspective. Was Hitler a communist or a fascist? You know the answer. Hitler was a fascist. He was the ultimate anti communist. Hitler was extreme right wing. I find it strange that no one had posted anything about this...there was outrage over a stupid joke, but this tragety was oddly overlooked. KC666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Communism is the most extreme form of leftist perspective. Fascism the most extreme right wing perspective. Was Hitler a communist or a fascist? You know the answer. Hitler was a fascist. He was the ultimate anti communist. Hitler was extreme right wing. I find it strange that no one had posted anything about this...there was outrage over a stupid joke, but this tragety was oddly overlooked. KC666 Regardless of where fascism is thought to exist on the political scale, it is a totalitarian system (like communism), where big government and big business are in collusion to control ordinary citizens (sound familiar?). Private property is allowed "on paper", but because owners are not free to use or dispose of their property as they wish, the term loses all its meaning. Under a fascist system of government, the individual's interest is subservient to the national interest (sound like the nonsense coming out of Washington these days?). In short, I put all totalitarian forms of government to the left with communism. I fail to see how communism (a totalitarian form of government) can be leftist and fascism (another totalitarian form of government) can be "right wing". Because the fascists pretend to let you own property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra666 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 From Wikpedia: Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. The Nazis would be an extreme version of this, the GOP a watered down version. This is the right wing. Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general. In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already reached communism. Mao Tse Tung's China would be a extreme version of this. The Democrats a watered down version. Left wing. In communism there is NO ownership of private property. The state/people own everything. Obviously this doesnt work too well, thats why there are almost NO true communist governments around anymore. Why should I bust my ass when I get paid the same as the guy who leans on his shovel all day. Goes against human nature and production is very poor. These are the ideologies. Von Brun is a right winger to be sure. To say he was a left winger is goofy, but Rush and Glen Beck say a lot of stupid things that only fly with people who dont know much or ever ask questions. Totalitarianism is any form of govenment that wants total control of the people. Could be any ideology. KC666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 From Wikpedia: Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. The Nazis would be an extreme version of this, the GOP a watered down version. This is the right wing. Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general. In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already reached communism. Mao Tse Tung's China would be a extreme version of this. The Democrats a watered down version. Left wing. In communism there is NO ownership of private property. The state/people own everything. Obviously this doesnt work too well, thats why there are almost NO true communist governments around anymore. Why should I bust my ass when I get paid the same as the guy who leans on his shovel all day. Goes against human nature and production is very poor. These are the ideologies. Von Brun is a right winger to be sure. To say he was a left winger is goofy, but Rush and Glen Beck say a lot of stupid things that only fly with people who dont know much or ever ask questions. Totalitarianism is any form of govenment that wants total control of the people. Could be any ideology. KC666 I am not challenging the validity or content of this post, in fact, to be honest, I didnt ever read it, however, you are aware that Wikpedia can be edited by anyone and is frequently wrong. Im just saying, to use a quote from them really doesnt prove or explain anything. It is hit and/or miss on factual information at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I am not challenging the validity or content of this post, in fact, to be honest, I didnt ever read it, however, you are aware that Wikpedia can be edited by anyone and is frequently wrong. Im just saying, to use a quote from them really doesnt prove or explain anything. It is hit and/or miss on factual information at best. fascism - 3 dictionary results Fascism Fascism in the News Watch TV Feeds Online! www.rt.tv What Is Bipolar Disorder? Tips, Treatment Options & Community Support for Bipolar. Get Connected! www.EverydayHealth.com Fascism and Nationalism Read the definitive classic fascist and Nationalist texts from history Sponsored Resultswww.bibliobazaar.com/fascism fas⋅cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism. 3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Origin: 1915–20; < It fascismo, equiv. to fasc(io) bundle, political group (see fasces ) + -ismo -ism Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009. Cite This Source |Link To fascism Fascism Fascism in the News Watch TV Feeds Online! www.rt.tv What Is Bipolar Disorder? Tips, Treatment Options & Community Support for Bipolar. Get Connected! Sponsored Resultswww.EverydayHealth.com fas·cism (fāsh'ĭz'əm) n. often Fascism A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control. [italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle.] fas·cis'tic (fə-shĭs'tĭk) adj. Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Cite This Source fascism [(fash-iz-uhm)] A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing. Note: Today, the term fascist is used loosely to refer to military dictatorships, as well as governments or individuals that profess racism and that act in an arbitrary, high-handed manner. It seems to me to be another way for leftists to call the right racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 could you dig up some more on bi-polar disorder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 The Nazis would be an extreme version of this, the GOP a watered down version. This is the right wing. You actually believe that? Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra666 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You actually believe that? Scary. I think its pretty obvious. KC666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Why do we even have to go here? It does not matter if he was a Republican or a Democrat, because he is INSANE! Are we really debating the politcal ideals of a crazy man? What is the point of that??? If anything you could say the whole point of who he is aligned with is moot because he is not in his right mind to make these kinds of decisions. Unless you are trying to make a joke about all right wingers being insane, and I would find that to be in bad taste considering that an innocent man lost his life. Just my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra666 Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I dont know where you see a joke in here at all. 2007GT said that Von Brun was a left wing nut as have Rush and other Right wing pundits. I disagree. He is not insane, he is stupid and evil and descidedly right wing. This was a calculated act and a political act. Von Brun was an author and had a website, http://www.holywesternempire.org/ which has been taken down. To dismiss him as insane is convienent, but not acurate. I just thought I would mention that this event occured since people seemed outraged over Lettermans joke but couldnt seem to care less about a murder being commited by a guy spewing a more extreme version of the same rhetoric I read here day after day. KC666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Personally, I don't understand how you could consider him anything but insane. Sane people do not deny the holocaust ever happened. Sane people do not randomly kill innocent people. Sane people do not hold others responsible for the color of their skin. Sane people do not spew hate and violence. I am not sure what your definition of sane is, but it is apparently very different from mine. I believe that insanity takes precedence over evil or hatred or other factors. I believe you can be evil but not act on it because you are sane. I think the insanity is what allows the other factors/issues to be acted upon. BTW if you re-read my post I said "UNLESS" you are making a joke, not that you "WERE" making a joke. Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Insanity would make him not responsible for his actions??????????? I would rather him not be considered Insane............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 The left call Von Brun a far rightie, the right call him a far leftie... I think he was an individual who's hatred and ignorance consumed him for years until he finally snapped and went off the deep end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Well, as far as that goes - I believe the insanity plea should not exist. Anybody who kills anybody else is just not right in the head. If you murder someone for some piss-ass reason you are a wackjob. I don't care what your home life was like or who did what to you while growing up. If you do not value human life, if you take another life for no good reason you are crazy (insane). You should be locked up. Did Von Brunn really think he was going to walk into there, shoot up the place and then just walk out and go home? Did he really think he would get away with it? I dont think those thoughts occured to him at all - why? - because he is not thinking clearly. He is not thinking things through. He does not realize that his plan has a zero chance of success. With actions as massive as these I would call that insanity. What do you call it when someone's thinking is so screwed up that to them killing someone over their heritage or skin color seems like a good idea? I call it crazy. But I guess that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I believe that his age was a consideration in his calculations.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Well, as far as that goes - I believe the insanity plea should not exist. Anybody who kills anybody else is just not right in the head. If you murder someone for some piss-ass reason you are a wackjob. I don't care what your home life was like or who did what to you while growing up. If you do not value human life, if you take another life for no good reason you are crazy (insane). You should be locked up. Did Von Brunn really think he was going to walk into there, shoot up the place and then just walk out and go home? Did he really think he would get away with it? I dont think those thoughts occured to him at all - why? - because he is not thinking clearly. He is not thinking things through. He does not realize that his plan has a zero chance of success. With actions as massive as these I would call that insanity. What do you call it when someone's thinking is so screwed up that to them killing someone over their heritage or skin color seems like a good idea? I call it crazy. But I guess that is just me. 100% +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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