ejrail Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Living in Utah is like walking a tightrope between the real world and the Mormon world. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state but that concept is lost here. For the most part, only good standing Mormons are elected to anything here. One of the basic Mormon teachings are that it is a sin to ingest or be involved in anything they consider addicting that can cause you to lose control of yourself. Included this on list are alcohol, drugs, smoking, caffine and gambling. Other that Hawaii, we are the only state in the union without some form of legalized gambling or a lottery. Our tobacco and alcohol taxes, sin taxes, are among, if not, the highest in the nation. Our State Legislature was pressured to change our archaic private club rules to where you could buy a real drink :beerchug: without buying a memership each bar you want to patronize. Our governor, all of our restaurants and hotels, Economic Development folks and Travel Council were all for it as tourism is huge here and we have lost conventions, trade shows, and companies moving into our state, amounting to many millions of dollars becuase of our liquor laws. They wouldn't vote on the change until the Mormon Church weighed in with their opinion. Sanity prevailed and we are now in the 21st century. :happy feet: One comprimise was the toughening of our repeat DUI laws, which is fine with me. The second time you cause an accident while DUI, you lose your car! I wanted to report this good news here for folks thinging of visiting our state. However,just when we thought it was safe to come out , it has been propsed by our Legislature they levy a tax on caffine products. They are supposed to only drink cocoa, Sprite, 7-Up and the like. However, the Church owns the Coca Cola bottling plant here. Go figure. Pepsi also has a large facility here, not Church owned. If us coffee drinkers want to join their church, we would have. They just don't stop trying to force their beliefs on all of us. You can add this to the growing list of embarrassing things Utah has done. I feel better now, :work: back to my Folgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKE08 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Living in Utah is like walking a tightrope between the real world and the Mormon world. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state but that concept is lost here. For the most part, only good standing Mormons are elected to anything here. One of the basic Mormon teachings are that it is a sin to ingest or be involved in anything they consider addicting that can cause you to lose control of yourself. Included this on list are alcohol, drugs, smoking, caffine and gambling. Other that Hawaii, we are the only state in the union without some form of legalized gambling or a lottery. Our tobacco and alcohol taxes, sin taxes, are among, if not, the highest in the nation. Our State Legislature was pressured to change our archaic private club rules to where you could buy a real drink :beerchug: without buying a memership each bar you want to patronize. Our governor, all of our restaurants and hotels, Economic Development folks and Travel Council were all for it as tourism is huge here and we have lost conventions, trade shows, and companies moving into our state, amounting to many millions of dollars becuase of our liquor laws. They wouldn't vote on the change until the Mormon Church weighed in with their opinion. Sanity prevailed and we are now in the 21st century. :happy feet: One comprimise was the toughening of our repeat DUI laws, which is fine with me. The second time you cause an accident while DUI, you lose your car! I wanted to report this good news here for folks thinging of visiting our state. However,just when we thought it was safe to come out , it has been propsed by our Legislature they levy a tax on caffine products. They are supposed to only drink cocoa, Sprite, 7-Up and the like. However, the Church owns the Coca Cola bottling plant here. Go figure. Pepsi also has a large facility here, not Church owned. If us coffee drinkers want to join their church, we would have. They just don't stop trying to force their beliefs on all of us. You can add this to the growing list of embarrassing things Utah has done. I feel better now, :work: back to my Folgers I think you have a beautiful state in fact I spent a week out there last year. I guess it would seem different if one lived there all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 easy there Erik, polegamy has its costs afterall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypto Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 easy there Erik, polegamy has its costs afterall! You're mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 easy there Erik, polegamy has its costs afterall! As for you fans of "Big Love", yes , there are still families that practice forms of polygamy, like the Warren Jeffs compound in Texas, who moved there from the Utah-Arizona border. There are also normal appearing families who don't dress differently and hold real jobs in the main stream society. Polygamy was outlawed in the 1890s to we could obtain statehood. Even though the practice is illegal, it is tough to prosecute without entering the religious freedom arena. Because every wife after the first is not considered a legal spouse by gentile (our) laws, they are considered unwed mothers and could be under age. As such they collect welfare and public assistance. This the legal "in' that is used to go after them for welfare fraud and child abuse. Neither of which cross the religion line. On a lighter note, can you imagine more than one partner with PMS at once ganging up on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 As for you fans of "Big Love", yes , there are still families that practice forms of polygamy, like the Warren Jeffs compound in Texas, who moved there from the Utah-Arizona border. There are also normal appearing families who don't dress differently and hold real jobs in the main stream society. Polygamy was outlawed in the 1890s to we could obtain statehood. Even though the practice is illegal, it is tough to prosecute without entering the religious freedom arena. Because every wife after the first is not considered a legal spouse by gentile (our) laws, they are considered unwed mothers and could be under age. As such they collect welfare and public assistance. This the legal "in' that is used to go after them for welfare fraud and child abuse. Neither of which cross the religion line. On a lighter note, can you imagine more than one partner with PMS at once ganging up on you your point definately takes much of the shine off that new penny! getting hit with shoes from multiple directions similtaneously really doesnt sound much like fun. but you got great skiiing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think you have a beautiful state in fact I spent a week out there last year. I guess it would seem different if one lived there all the time. No, you're right. It is really beautiful here every month of the year. Where else do you have 5 National Parks, snow capped mountains, salt flats and red rock desert all less than a days drive from home? :happy feet: If you are a sportsman, you can hunt or fish for something every day of the year. I came here on vacation like you did, 35 years ago, and went back to NJ long enough to rent a U-Haul trailer. ERIK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump_breaker Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I was in Utah briefly during a road trip 2 years ago. Beautiful and seemingly laid back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 your point definately takes much of the shine off that new penny!getting hit with shoes from multiple directions similtaneously really doesnt sound much like fun. but you got great skiiing! Two new feet of fresh powder Tuesday , 6 feet at mid-mountain as of this morning! :happy feet: Low 40's no wind, sunny. We're still 90% booked thru early April. What recession?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I was in Utah briefly during a road trip 2 years ago. Beautiful and seemingly laid back. Laid back unless you know where to look :party2: . A guy can still get in plenty of trouble here :tequila: :beerchug:, just call us :happy feet: Our third annual Maragitville party is already in the planning stages for the last week of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I have been to Wendover in Nevada which is right accross the boarder. Wendover airfield is a historic site in Utah and the have to rely on donations to rebuild the facilities. For those of you who dont know, The Enola Gay flew training missions out of Wendover durring WWII. What a shame that no one will really help out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLShelby Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 easy there Erik, polegamy has its costs afterall! Why in God's name would anyone want more than one wife. After 30 years of marriage i question having one, at least once a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc scott Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Tim, you go to Bonneville? (A religious experience for hard core speed freaks) the airfield and surrounding areas are awe inspiring.Did you go to the hills where they carved their names in the rocks? Its kind of breath taking. If you are into cars bikes or speed Bonneville is your place Doc Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormeaston Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Why in God's name would anyone want more than one wife. After 30 years of marriage i question having one, at least once a month. Why do think all those Muslums keep blowing themselves up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipereatr Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 What do you call the children of a polygamous union? Why, polyglets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUFDRAFT Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Yet another place I won't move to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XLR8 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Moab, UT! Slickrock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLShelby Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Why do think all those Muslums keep blowing themselves up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I have been to Wendover in Nevada which is right accross the boarder. Wendover airfield is a historic site in Utah and the have to rely on donations to rebuild the facilities. For those of you who dont know, The Enola Gay flew training missions out of Wendover durring WWII. What a shame that no one will really help out there. A really good friend of mine in on the restoration committee out there. They just received a $450,000 grant and have big plans for a full restoration and more aircraft. If you all remember the Will Smith Independence Day movie, this is the airport they used for the outdoors Area 51 shots. The red and white checkered water tower from the WWII days is still on the hillside. West Wendover is on the Nevada side of the Utah border and has several casinos and a great concert hall featuring most people you have heard of from rock, country and comedy every weekend. As such, there are more flights to the airport from more places now. This helps get the museum on th map, too. Wendover is also the home of the Rainbow Cruise weekend over Father's day. I'll be there again this year :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Tim, you go to Bonneville? (A religious experience for hard core speed freaks) the airfield and surrounding areas are awe inspiring.Did you go to the hills where they carved their names in the rocks?Its kind of breath taking. If you are into cars bikes or speed Bonneville is your place Doc Scott I drove my ATV to over 70 mph on the salt the week after Speed Week several years ago . We followed the black oil line that is the centerline of the time track. Looking northeast from the observation pavillion at the end of the paved road, you see what looks like a mirage of mountain peaks know as the Floating Island. This is actually the top of a mountain that is over the curve of the earth, many miles away. I had a 5 speed and felt like I was going up hill. I kept trying to grab another gear. It was the weirdest feeling as the salt is completely flat. What way to mess with your head. The Donner party passed north of here. The wagon tracks are still visible in certain areas. There are good agate beds on the backside of the monutains north of the flats for you rock hounds and Blue Lake scuba diving south of town. Who would think you could go scuba diving in the middle of the desert? The whole area is just 90 minutes west of Salt Lake on I-80. Just one of our gems. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywickedshelby Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 you do have a beautiful State. What month is best for visiting Moab? Dale and I want to come out next April/May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 you do have a beautiful State.What month is best for visiting Moab? Dale and I want to come out next April/May. Michael, Either month is good. May might be better, though. It has been know to snow in April even though it doesn't last. The temps the should be mid 70-mid 80. Summer is in the 100s. There is the world famous Jeep Jamboree on or close to Easter every year. Lodging and campgrounds are always sold out. You wouldn't want to hike or mountain bike then. You can check the Moab web sites for the exact dates each year. When I was in the 4X4 club, we particiapted. Some trails not for the weak. At least one extra pair of BVDs is required on some trails Did you ever see the old Bon Jovi (another Jersey boy done good) music video where they burn down a drive in movie screen on top of red rock cliffs? That is on the Rim Trail that overlooks the town. There is an aerial tram to go up there now. North of town is Dead Horse Point State Park. Thats where Tom Cruise hung off of the cliff in Mission Impossible 2. You can drive to the spot on pavement. ERIK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRT 0403 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Two new feet of fresh powder Tuesday , 6 feet at mid-mountain as of this morning! :happy feet: Low 40's no wind, sunny. We're still 90% booked thru early April. What recession?? We love Alta, we love Alta, we love Alta :happy feet: :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejrail Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 We love Alta, we love Alta, we love Alta :happy feet: :happy feet: I'm at the Canyons in Park City .There is another small storm due in on Sunday. Alta has a bunch more that we do, being about 1000 feet higher. They'll be skiing over there til at least Memorial Day, like the last couple of years. Snowbird opened the tram on 4th of July last summer for the die hards. If you're a skier you gotta love it. :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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