EXPcustom Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 This is what I want to know. With a black box that is now in the car everything is recorded and date stamped. If you hit 155mph in your car one time at the track the dealership will know about it. Do a tune and bring it back to stock the dealer will know. Some of this is speculation on my part but this is what a Black Box does. Anyone else concerned? Think there will ever be a work around? I am worried about my warranty getting voided since I do tend to cruise 80mph on the freeway. Could this be considered abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EXPcustom Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I know most Ford vehicles have a EDR. It just recordes the data if the airbags are deployed and thats it. This new "Black Box" they are talking about sounds like a whole new thing. I know rental cars have been using a similar setup where they can add extra charges to the rental clients if they speed excessively. Next question is it GPS based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeet Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have a 2008 Mustang. If you check the owners manual there is a section about the computer. It says that law enforcement may request the data from the computer for accident investigations. I don’t have the manual handy now, but if you check it may tell what data is collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Unless the rules have changed, the data was to be fed into a buffer. Should a serious accident occur then the data could be retrieved to evaluate conditions just before the accident. Your Ford technician can not just access the data in the buffer and it does no have much memory. As to the original question. I do not feel the box would change habits at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Unless the rules have changed, the data was to be fed into a buffer. Should a serious accident occur then the data could be retrieved to evaluate conditions just before the accident. Your Ford technician can not just access the data in the buffer and it does no have much memory. As to the original question. I do not feel the box would change habits at all. I agree, from what I have read Ford can not use it to VOID warranties. Just used to see what happens in wrecks MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobramach1 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I agree, from what I have read Ford can not use it to VOID warranties. Just used to see what happens in wrecks MM This may be good for the insurance companies and the owners of the cars because if they find that the accident was blatently the drivers fault they may not have to cover it and everyone else's insurance would stay lower since they aren't having to pay out on so many claims. Just a thought though I could be totally off base with that line of thinking too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPcustom Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 This may be good for the insurance companies and the owners of the cars because if they find that the accident was blatently the drivers fault they may not have to cover it and everyone else's insurance would stay lower since they aren't having to pay out on so many claims. Just a thought though I could be totally off base with that line of thinking too. Imagine if a spouse or family member or friend wrecked the car and you thought you were covered. Then insurance wont cover it and you are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well...It's funny that this subject came up. While I realize that it's a different brand, and their download and right to privacy policies may differ from FoMoCo's, a friend of mine that has a Challenger reciently brought his car into the dealer for service, and when he came in to claim his car, the service manager aparantly made some comments like (paraphrasing) "Well, we like to speed in this car don't we?" "Took it up to 155 did ya?" "Looks like maybe a little drag racing too; right?" Big brother is alive and protecting the financial interests of the car companies... As much as it frustrates me to live in the People's Republic of California, we are a right to privacy state here, and I now wonder if that right covers this type of situtation. I'm sure that eventually someone will sue someone over this issue under that law, and I'm curious to see how the courts will regard these devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersnake94 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 This is what I want to know. With a black box that is now in the car everything is recorded and date stamped. If you hit 155mph in your car one time at the track the dealership will know about it. Do a tune and bring it back to stock the dealer will know. Some of this is speculation on my part but this is what a Black Box does. Anyone else concerned? Think there will ever be a work around? I am worried about my warranty getting voided since I do tend to cruise 80mph on the freeway. Could this be considered abuse? Funny story because the Nissan GTR's traction control, when turned off, it will be recorded in the black box of that car and it will nullify the warranty. Are you talking about the 2010 GT500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobramach1 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Imagine if a spouse or family member or friend wrecked the car and you thought you were covered. Then insurance wont cover it and you are screwed. This is what it is coming to and I'm just pointing it out. Tis the world we live in and we'll just have to get used to it I guess. I don't like it any more than the next person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well...It's funny that this subject came up. While I realize that it's a different brand, and their download and right to privacy policies may differ from FoMoCo's, a friend of mine that has a Challenger reciently brought his car into the dealer for service, and when he came in to claim his car, the service manager aparantly made some comments like (paraphrasing) "Well, we like to speed in this car don't we?" "Took it up to 155 did ya?" "Looks like maybe a little drag racing too; right?" Big brother is alive and protecting the financial interests of the car companies... As much as it frustrates me to live in the People's Republic of California, we are a right to privacy state here, and I now wonder if that right covers this type of situtation. I'm sure that eventually someone will sue someone over this issue under that law, and I'm curious to see how the courts will regard these devices. It will be interesting to see how the courts eventually interpret this, because I don't think that the "right for privacy" ever included the right to privately break the law. The so-called "Right to Privacy" itself is not expressly provided for in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, and has been debated for years and years. Personally, I think that we as consumers and citizens will end up not much choice in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Snake Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 There putting the box in there to get data for someone. I would like to see something official from Ford on the use of the data. The insurance companies/lawyer's will be after it if a claim or accident happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I would guess that if the black box data were to be used against you in any manner then Ford would have to disclose that information prior to the conclusion of the sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I agree, from what I have read Ford can not use it to VOID warranties. Just used to see what happens in wrecks MM +1....and for investigative purposes...just like in a plane..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDC500 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Who owns the information in the black box? My black box better plead the fifth....and stay silent and not testify against its owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr4teth Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Funny story because the Nissan GTR's traction control, when turned off, it will be recorded in the black box of that car and it will nullify the warranty. Are you talking about the 2010 GT500? Someone on SteelCitStangs posted this and it's a CLASSIC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersnake94 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Oh great, that video rant again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sportscars Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I guess my biggest concern with this is with insurance. How would you feel to be denied a repair or a renewal because you were going 1 or 2 miles per hour over the speed limit. Plus the speedometers are not "certified" so they may be off by a couple of percent (or more). "Well, Mr. Smith, You were doing 36 in a 35 when the other car pulled out infront of you, so we are giving you a speeding ticket and your insurance is invalid because you were breaking the law at the time of the accident so you are getting a ticket for no insurance also". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08GT500KR Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I know most Ford vehicles have a EDR. It just recordes the data if the airbags are deployed and thats it. This new "Black Box" they are talking about sounds like a whole new thing. I know rental cars have been using a similar setup where they can add extra charges to the rental clients if they speed excessively. Next question is it GPS based? Patriot act being abused, just another way to spy on people. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT4578 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Patriot act being abused, just another way to spy on people. Fact +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrodrock Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not about the Mustang, but why would an auto maker design a car where it was even possible to cancel the traction control if they would immdiately cancel your warrenty for doing so. Sounds like they are just hoping that you will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light66 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 +1 +1!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tob Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Patriot act being abused, just another way to spy on people. Fact Fact - you are spewing some seriously weak liberal canned bull. Enlighten the sheeple with the basis of your analysis. Linking references that show a direct and causal relationship between the Patriot Act and the OEM installation of an EDR device will suffice. Tob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrycp Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Went to the Chicago Auto show today. Talked to Tom from Ford about the black box. To sum up the conversation, he described the black box as "a tattle tell system". It will be used as part of warranty claim investigations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPcustom Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Ha! I knew it. I will be keeping my 07 and in the future I will buy a luxury sedan. Black box was the last straw for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra010 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 You know in my humble opinion, anyone who thinks someone is going to buy a $50K car with 500+ HP and is going to drive 30 mph all the time or park it in the front yard and grow tulips out of the trunk is NUTZ! In 1963 I purchased a Impala SS 409 425HP. I had some mechanical problems carried it to the dealer and the owner sat me down in his office and said "son have you been hot rodding this car?" What was the car built for???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 It will be interesting to see how the courts eventually interpret this, because I don't think that the "right for privacy" ever included the right to privately break the law. The so-called "Right to Privacy" itself is not expressly provided for in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, and has been debated for years and years. Personally, I think that we as consumers and citizens will end up not much choice in this matter. Amendment IV, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastPhil Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I remember reading about a vette owner in 2000 that had a bad accident, but apparently said he was doing the limit, the other cars attourney pulled the box (vette owner unaware it even existed as it was the first or second year for the device) and he was nailed bigtime. aftermath was that several new vette owners decided to return their cars as they were not notified that boxes were on board at time of purchase, if memory serves they brought some litigation to GM to get their money back, not sure what the outcome was, but you box will not plead the 5th and it will be used against you in a court in addition to warranty concerns. I think GM started putting them on their high end cars in the mid to late 90s, buick and caddies first: Update, found the article from 2000: "Car giant General Motors is facing a lawsuit claiming that it has violated privacy laws by installing black box recorders in its vehicles to record information about speed, braking and seat belt use in the moments leading up to a crash, reports Bloomberg. The suit claims that the world's largest car company failed to tell motorists about the existence of the recorders, saying the devices are aimed solely at helping to design safer cars and to help investigators in accident reconstruction. GM is alleged to have failed to inform motorists about the existence of the devices or what they do, amounting to an invasion of privacy The lawsuit also alleges that GM also has used the data against at least one car owner to defend a product liability suit" www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200408/msg00134.html This is a good link to many of the court cases around the box, including CA legislation to prevent its use, seems it has been in the courtroom on hundreds of cases... FP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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