ilmor Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I don't think its a good idea to bring the terrorists here. If there must be a "change", they should be tried in Iraq where they came from. http://current.com/items/89512807_obama_pl...close_us_trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm curious if he can do this. In the past base closures were identified and approved by Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't think its a good idea to bring the terrorists here. If there must be a "change", they should be tried in Iraq where they came from. http://current.com/items/89512807_obama_pl...close_us_trials Either way, this needs to be resolved. It's really a disgrace to keep people in cages this long without a trial or conviction. It goes against everything we fight for and strive for as a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSSNAKE Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm curious if he can do this. In the past base closures were identified and approved by Congress. He can't, it will take congress' involvement unfortunately it's kind of a one-sided affair. I'm not a lawyer but if they move the detainees here we limit our ability to affectively "utilize" them and they may be allowed to have citizen rights. This is why (I believe) we have the confinement facility on other than U.S. soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSSNAKE Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Either way, this needs to be resolved. It's really a disgrace to keep people in cages this long without a trial or conviction. It goes against everything we fight for and strive for as a nation. Enemy (unlawful) combatants are (within the law) able to be treated in a different manner than U.S. citizens or prisoners of war. Click/copy/paste on the link below for an interesting article that explains this. “According to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, the Taliban and al Qaeda fighters currently being held captive at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are not prisoners of war, but "unlawful combatants." What's the difference? The short answer is that a prisoner of war is entitled to the protections set forth in the 1949 Geneva Convention. In contrast, an unlawful combatant is a fighter who does not play by the accepted rules of war, and therefore does not qualify for the Convention's protections”. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020123.html http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020123.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Either way, this needs to be resolved. It's really a disgrace to keep people in cages this long without a trial or conviction. It goes against everything we fight for and strive for as a nation. I agree with you that they should get a fair trial as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Either way, this needs to be resolved. It's really a disgrace to keep people in cages this long without a trial or conviction. It goes against everything we fight for and strive for as a nation. I respect your opinion and I think you have a good point, however, we are playing by the rules of law, something those interned there are not interested in doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blip Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 He can't, it will take congress' involvement unfortunately it's kind of a one-sided affair. I'm not a lawyer but if they move the detainees here we limit our ability to affectively "utilize" them and they may be allowed to have citizen rights. This is why (I believe) we have the confinement facility on other than U.S. soil. I think the article is referring to just closing the prison camp, not the whole GTMO Naval base, which is a lot more than the prison. The President probably has the authority to close the prison without congressional approval--not saying I would agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't think its a good idea to bring the terrorists here. If there must be a "change", they should be tried in Iraq where they came from.http://current.com/items/89512807_obama_pl...close_us_trials He can't turn his Back on his Friends. I Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Their the ENEMY...period! They are currently being housed on "our dime" They'll be tried and convicted on "our dime" They be imprisoned on "our dime" They had no misgivings about attacking us They care less about us There's only ONE God for crying out loud Time for old fashion firing squad....it's cheaper... JMO! Daily we have to take service members from their current units and send them down there for security and other purposes. Seriously reducing manning strengths where they need to be. Same for Iraq. It's killing us to no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow....that last comment just scares me. And that is how the world thinks we are....cryin shame. I am all for terroristist mistreatment! They dont deserve squat... But it has been 6 years, and shoe on the other foot...if our guys were being held that long.... Just what IF a couple of those people are completely innocent? A review is in order any way you look at it. That is not the message I want to send out to the rest of the world....what we are doing SCREAMS hypocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getright1 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow....that last comment just scares me. And that is how the world thinks we are....cryin shame. I am all for terroristist mistreatment! They dont deserve squat... But it has been 6 years, and shoe on the other foot...if our guys were being held that long.... Just what IF a couple of those people are completely innocent? A review is in order any way you look at it. That is not the message I want to send out to the rest of the world....what we are doing SCREAMS hypocracy. :beerchug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zray Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm curious if he can do this. In the past base closures were identified and approved by Congress. as mentioned above, the closing refers to the prison, not the entire base. Z. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSSNAKE Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow....that last comment just scares me. And that is how the world thinks we are....cryin shame. I am all for terroristist mistreatment! They dont deserve squat... But it has been 6 years, and shoe on the other foot...if our guys were being held that long.... Just what IF a couple of those people are completely innocent? A review is in order any way you look at it. That is not the message I want to send out to the rest of the world....what we are doing SCREAMS hypocracy. I hear what you're saying but to tell you the truth, I have more faith in our current administration following the rule of law than I have for the media telling us the whole story THAT is what scares me. I absolutely am a defender of our 1st amendment but the media appears to have voluntarily abandoned all journalistic principals so we can't really tell WHAT the truth is anymore! They just tell you what they want you to know (or not) instead of reporting the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markham51 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I think they should send them back to where they came from.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoc Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't think its a good idea to bring the terrorists here. If there must be a "change", they should be tried in Iraq where they came from. http://current.com/items/89512807_obama_pl...close_us_trials They didn't come from Iraq, they came from Afghanistan and Pakistan. A few were legitimate terrorists, some were Taliban fighters, most of the rest were rounded up on a bounty the US put out. Which in that part of the world is the equivalent of small fortune. You see someone who is a foreigner you don't know or someone you don't like; turn in them in for the bounty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 They didn't come from Iraq, they came from Afghanistan and Pakistan. A few were legitimate terrorists, some were Taliban fighters, most of the rest were rounded up on a bounty the US put out. Which in that part of the world is the equivalent of small fortune. You see someone who is a foreigner you don't know or someone you don't like; turn in them in for the bounty. Other member's who're directly involved in the process, (like Darkside), have stated in other threads that what you claim is not accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Either way, this needs to be resolved. It's really a disgrace to keep people in cages this long without a trial or conviction. It goes against everything we fight for and strive for as a nation. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I'm curious if he can do this. In the past base closures were identified and approved by Congress. The "base" is not closing, it's been there for a hundred years and needs to be there for our lease to stay valid, any talk is just ab out shutting down the detention facility and that he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I think the article is referring to just closing the prison camp, not the whole GTMO Naval base, which is a lot more than the prison. The President probably has the authority to close the prison without congressional approval--not saying I would agree with it. + 1 LOL...you beat me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I respect your opinion and I think you have a good point, however, we are playing by the rules of law, something those interned there are not interested in doing And how do you, or we, know that? Because our benevolent government tells us so? Isn't this the kind of thing we fought against in how many wars? We have to play by the law, or really what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 And how do you, or we, know that? Because our benevolent government tells us so? Isn't this the kind of thing we fought against in how many wars? We have to play by the law, or really what's the point? So what do you propose, Jeff? Do you want to try these people in open court with the same rights as American citizens, and expose our intelligence gathering assets/methods to the media so the enemy can learn and adapt from or to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 So what do you propose, Jeff? Do you want to try these people in open court with the same rights as American citizens, and expose our intelligence gathering assets/methods to the media so the enemy can learn and adapt from or to them? I don't propose anything, who the heck am I, but I do know we need to do something! This is the United States of America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I don't propose anything, who the heck am I, but I do know we need to do something! This is the United States of America! I was just curious in your opinion, that's all. It's not like anyone would listen to us anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGT500 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Wow....that last comment just scares me. And that is how the world thinks we are....cryin shame. I am all for terroristist mistreatment! They dont deserve squat... But it has been 6 years, and shoe on the other foot...if our guys were being held that long.... Just what IF a couple of those people are completely innocent? A review is in order any way you look at it. That is not the message I want to send out to the rest of the world....what we are doing SCREAMS hypocracy. +100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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