Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) The old flywheel has been warping on many cars in urban driving, including the 2009 GT500's. This is stated in the TSB which I have attached if you need it. GT500_Clutch_drag_TSB_08_16_04.pdf The word on the street is that if you have a 2009 GT500 that was manufactured after Aug. 15th 2008.....You have the new and improved flywheel. The exact date is a little sketchy and it could vary by a week or 2 plus or minus. The purpose of this thread is to pin that date down for the 2009 GT500 Owners so they know which flywheel is in their car. The next time you change your oil and have your car in the air, please take a look at your flywheel thru the small drain slot in the bottom of your tranny with a flashlight and verify which flywheel you have and please post your Manufacture Date of your car. The sticker on the door panel will tell you your Manufacture month and your dealer can tell you the exact date by pulling the OASIS report. You will be looking to see if you have vents in the flywheel. Vents are in the old style flywheel and not in the new style flywheel. CLICK ON PHOTOS TO ENLARGE Here is a photo photo of the OLD flywheel. The vents next to the center of the flywheel are only on the OLD style flywheel. Here is a photo of the NEW style flywheel. There are no vents at the center of the flywheel. Here is a side by side photo of the NEW and the OLD flywheel. The Old flywheel is on the right side. Note the vents in the old flywheel. Here is the vent slot that you will need to look up into with a flash light. It's right by the oil drain plug in the very bottom of the tranny. if you see just a flat shiney surface inside there....then you have the new flywheel. If you see vents, you have the old style flywheel. Make sure you are looking in the correct slot on the bottom and not the vent just besides it. This photo points out the right slot to look into. Click on it to enlarge it to see the arrows. Edit to ad info on the findings as of 2/23/09: We now have 4 members reporting out. Build date: 7/22/08 - Old style flywheel (nodular iron with slots) Build date: 8/12/08 - Old style flywheel (sn 129368 nodular iron with slots) Build date: 8-15-08 - Old style flywheel (nodular iron with slots) Build date: 8/19/08 - New style flywheel (non slotted thicker 4100 series steel) Build date: 8/27/08 - New style flywheel (non slotted thicker 4100 series steel) GT500_Clutch_drag_TSB_08_16_04.pdf Edited February 23, 2009 by Grabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) Here's a pic of the OLD flywheel installed and the tranny is not bolted up to it yet. I'm posting this so you can see the vent view slot at the bottom of the photo and the 8 vents on the old flywheel at the center of it. These pic's shows the opposite side of the OLD flywheel. See the vents in the center !!! When you shine the flash light up thru the slot, you will be able to see either the vents of the OLD style flywheel or the flat shiney surface of the new style flywheel. Edited October 31, 2008 by Grabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Here's the opposite side of the NEW style flywheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) Here's a pic of the old and new on the opposite side. This is the side that the clutch bolts up to. This is the side that faces the tranny. The OLD style is on the right side. Edited October 31, 2008 by Grabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ati Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Rob, Thanks For The Info & Pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordie Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Grabber, Excellent information - thanks for putting in the effort to post. My build date is Sep-08, will get under car tomorrow and confirm it has new flywheel. Regards, Dave M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyjet Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 I also will try to look this weekend...my build date was September 5, 2008. Thanks again, Grabber...you are an indispensable resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilmmr Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) Thanks Grabber, if I had studied your thread a little closer I would have known last week when I had the oil changed. Now I know exactly what to look for and will check it. Unfortunately, my build date is August 15th. Would be JUST MY LUCK if my car was going out the back door as the new flywheels were coming in the front. Thanks for putting this in one place. Edited October 31, 2008 by Wilmmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 After this thread runs it's identification process by the owners posting their findings, I will post the date under the subject title in the topic description. It could take a little time to pinpoint the date but I know there is enough of you 2009 owners that are interested in doing the research. This way when someone asks the question: "When did the new flywheel start going into the GT500".........We can tell them and show them this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigo Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Once again thanks Grabber. I assume everyone with the old flywheel will have some problem sooner or later? Yes? If so, how likely is Ford going to replace flywheels with no problems yet? My worry is since I only put about a thousand miles a year on my car will the flywheel go bad after my warranty is over? Then I get stuck with the bill. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Once again thanks Grabber. I assume everyone with the old flywheel will have some problem sooner or later? Yes? If so, how likely is Ford going to replace flywheels with no problems yet? My worry is since I only put about a thousand miles a year on my car will the flywheel go bad after my warranty is over? Then I get stuck with the bill. Craig Ford is not replacing flywheels or doing the TSB unless you have a problem. It's not like a recall where you just take your rig in and get the parts swapped out. If you just do country driving with your car and freeway driving then you most likely will never have a problem. If you heat up the flywheel with alot of stop and go driving in rush hour traffic or go in a couple parades with your car, then your flywheel could get hot enough to get warped. I suspect that if you just put a thousand pleasure miles a year on your car that you will never have a problem. If you have any problem after your warranty is over....yes, you will have to pay for the repairs. The full TSB cost 6K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigo Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ford is not replacing flywheels or doing the TSB unless you have a problem. It's not like a recall where you just take your rig in and get the parts swapped out. If you just do country driving with your car and freeway driving then you most likely will never have a problem. If you heat up the flywheel with alot of stop and go driving in rush hour traffic or go in a couple parades with your car, then your flywheel could get hot enough to get warped. I suspect that if you just put a thousand pleasure miles a year on your car that you will never have a problem. If you have any problem after your warranty is over....yes, you will have to pay for the repairs. The full TSB cost 6K. Thanks Grabber I'll keep my fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtride Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 The old flywheel has been warping on many cars in urban driving, including the 2009 GT500's. This is stated in the TSB which I have attached if you need it.GT500_Clutch_drag_TSB_08_16_04.pdf The word on the street is that if you have a 2009 GT500 that was manufactured after Aug. 15th 2008.....You have the new and improved flywheel. The exact date is a little sketchy and it could vary by a week or 2 plus or minus. The purpose of this thread is to pin that date down for the 2009 GT500 Owners so they know which flywheel is in their car. The next time you change your oil and have your car in the air, please take a look at your flywheel thru the small drain slot in the bottom of your tranny with a flashlight and verify which flywheel you have and please post your Manufacture Date of your car. The sticker on the door panel will tell you your Manufacture month and your dealer can tell you the exact date by pulling the OASIS report. You will be looking to see if you have vents in the flywheel. Vents are in the old style flywheel and not in the new style flywheel. CLICK ON PHOTOS TO ENLARGE Here is a photo photo of the OLD flywheel. The vents next to the center of the flywheel are only on the OLD style flywheel. Here is a photo of the NEW style flywheel. There are no vents at the center of the flywheel. Here is a side by side photo of the NEW and the OLD flywheel. The Old flywheel is on the right side. Note the vents in the old flywheel. Here is the vent slot that you will need to look up into with a flash light. It's right by the oil drain plug in the very bottom of the tranny. if you see just a flat shiney surface inside there....then you have the new flywheel. If you see vents, you have the old style flywheel. Make sure you are looking in the correct slot on the bottom and not the vent just besides it. This photo points out the right slot to look into. Click on it to enlarge it to see the arrows. Grabber: Just put my '09 up on the hoist. VIN: 95132561, Engine S/N: 080899801238. OASIS vehicle build date: 8/27/08. Glad to report, per your pictures, new style flywheel installed. Thanks for the great tip! My dealer could not tell me the clean point date for the new hardware but you came through with a simple means to verify. Thanks again! SVTRIDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisA Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Ford is not replacing flywheels or doing the TSB unless you have a problem. It's not like a recall where you just take your rig in and get the parts swapped out. If you just do country driving with your car and freeway driving then you most likely will never have a problem. If you heat up the flywheel with alot of stop and go driving in rush hour traffic or go in a couple parades with your car, then your flywheel could get hot enough to get warped. I suspect that if you just put a thousand pleasure miles a year on your car that you will never have a problem. If you have any problem after your warranty is over....yes, you will have to pay for the repairs. The full TSB cost 6K. Grabber, I need help!!! Here I go: So, if I run the car past warranty period & end up having the "symptoms" I am stuck witha $6k bill! What a deal! My car doesn't have symptoms now at less than 700 miles, question is, If I pay a Ford dealer to replace just the flywheel (with the new style of course), then, can I say that I am as good as if I had had the TSB done? Dealers on the forum: if the answer is yes, what would your dealership charge JUST to replace the flywheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) Grabber:Just put my '09 up on the hoist. VIN: 95132561, Engine S/N: 080899801238. OASIS vehicle build date: 8/27/08. Glad to report, per your pictures, new style flywheel installed. Thanks for the great tip! My dealer could not tell me the clean point date for the new hardware but you came through with a simple means to verify. Thanks again! SVTRIDE Thanks for doing your homework and helping us Pin this down for the 2009 GT500 Owners. We now know that any GT500 built after 8/27/2008 has the new flywheel in it. We need more 2009 owners that have build dates earlier than this date to help us figure out the cut off point. Edited November 1, 2008 by Grabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) Grabber, I need help!!! Here I go: So, if I run the car past warranty period & end up having the "symptoms" I am stuck witha $6k bill! What a deal! My car doesn't have symptoms now at less than 700 miles, question is, If I pay a Ford dealer to replace just the flywheel (with the new style of course), then, can I say that I am as good as if I had had the TSB done? Dealers on the forum: if the answer is yes, what would your dealership charge JUST to replace the flywheel? I think the ' symptoms will show up before your warranty is up Edited November 1, 2008 by shelby001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Grabber, I need help!!! Here I go: So, if I run the car past warranty period & end up having the "symptoms" I am stuck witha $6k bill! What a deal! My car doesn't have symptoms now at less than 700 miles, question is, If I pay a Ford dealer to replace just the flywheel (with the new style of course), then, can I say that I am as good as if I had had the TSB done? Dealers on the forum: if the answer is yes, what would your dealership charge JUST to replace the flywheel? If your car has the new style TUET8175 tranny in it (FMC part # 7R3Z*7003*AC) and you have not damaged your syncros than I would say your tranny is still fine because it has the updated inputshaft in it. The thing you must know is that when you have a new flywheel installed, you have to have a new clutch put in also. The reason for this is that both surfaces need to be baby butt brand new smooth since those 2 surfaces work together and need to mate up. In order to replace the flywheel the tranny has to be pulled out and the clutch has to come off too. The clutch is bolted on top of the flywheel surface. The new clutch has a nickle hub center too so you will want that for rust & corrosion prevention. If you have this work done it's also a good idea to replace the pilot bearing since it's right there. I'm not a dealer, but I know how long the work takes because I have watched 3 of these from start to finish in the shop. I find it very interesting and learned a bunch about it. That being said you are looking at 4-6 hours labor depending on the tech doing the work. If the shop rate is $90 an hour that would be around $600 bucks labor. The flywheel is about $200 bucks and the clutch is around $2000 bucks and the pilot bearing is most likely around $20 bucks. The teflon lube is about $30 bucks too. My rough estimate is that this would cost you about $2,850.00 plus misc shop fees for disposal & rags would put it at a total of about $3000.00 bucks. Don't forget the state tax too. At 7.6% state tax would be $228 so your total bill would be about $3,228.00. This is just my rough estimate. See your dealer for actual costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tispco Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 The thing you must know is that when you have a new flywheel installed, you have to have a new clutch put in also. The reason for this is that both surfaces need to be baby butt brand new smooth since those 2 surfaces work together and need to mate up. +1 Many years ago I tried to save a few bucks just replacing the clutch and not replacing or resurfacing the flywheel. The new clutch was shot in about a 1000 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) After this thread runs it's identification process by the owners posting their findings, I will post the date under the subject title in the topic description. It could take a little time to pinpoint the date but I know there is enough of you 2009 owners that are interested in doing the research. This way when someone asks the question: "When did the new flywheel start going into the GT500".........We can tell them and show them this thread. My last six of vin number are 121402, 2009 model GT500, Build date 07/22/2008. Black w/red appearance package. My car has the old slotted fly wheel. I guess I could always drive in rush hour traffic just before warranty expires Edited November 2, 2008 by Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 My last six of vin number are 121402, 2009 model GT500, Build date 07/22/2008. Black w/red appearance package. My car has the old slotted fly wheel. I guess I could always drive in rush hour traffic just before warrant expires Did you look up through the slot on the bottom of your tranny to verify which flywheel you have ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Did you look up through the slot on the bottom of your tranny to verify which flywheel you have ? Yes Sir, I looked. It has the slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Yes Sir, I looked. It has the slots. Jody, I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for looking. It helps pin down the date for others. We now have 2 members reporting out. Build date: 7/22/08 - Old style flywheel (nodular iron with slots) Build date: 8/27/08 - New style flywheel (non slotted thicker 3100 series steel) Now we need some report outs between those 2 dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyjet Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Well, I just crawled under it. Disclaimer: that is not much of a slot to look through. Anyway, my build date was 9/5/08....I definitely see a slot-type opening on the flywheel surface....not just flat and shiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyjet Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I just looked back at your pics. What I saw appeared to be more of a round hole than a slot shape. Looking at pics of the old and new, is it possible I saw what appears to be one of the small round holes (not near center, but further out the flywheel) on the new flywheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) I just looked back at your pics. What I saw appeared to be more of a round hole than a slot shape. Looking at pics of the old and new, is it possible I saw what appears to be one of the small round holes (not near center, but further out the flywheel) on the new flywheel? Your report out date does not jive with what has been previously reported. The small marks that you see on the new flywheel are not drilled all the way through the flywheel. They were drilled partially into the steel to balance the flywheel. I suggest you turn the ignition key to bump the flywheel forward and take another good look. Use a very strong flashlight. Edited November 2, 2008 by Grabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobraracing Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Grabber, you do a fantastic job on tracking all these items What warranty is this covered under? I have 9000 miles and 18 months on the car now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyjet Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Your report out date does not jive with what has been previously reported. The small marks that you see on the new flywheel are not drilled all the way through the flywheel. They were drilled partially into the steel to balance the flywheel. I suggest you turn the ignition key to bump the flywheel forward and take another good look. Use a very strong flashlight. I will look again later this afternoon with a better flashlight. Have to use the same old eyes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Grabber, you do a fantastic job on tracking all these items What warranty is this covered under? I have 9000 miles and 18 months on the car now 3/36 is what I have heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyjet Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Just confirmed with a stronger flashlight....mine is the new flywheel. What I see besides just shiny metal is the little drilled areas you said were to balance it. Again, my build date 9/5/08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Just confirmed with a stronger flashlight....mine is the new flywheel. What I see besides just shiny metal is the little drilled areas you said were to balance it. Again, my build date 9/5/08. Thanks for the confirmation. That is what I thought you would find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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