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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...021184168QQrdZ1

 

LONESTAR Ford auction, current bid to $69k, PRIVATE AUCTION so you can't see the bidders. Car isn't even delivered yet!

 

Yet here is a BUY IT NOW $59k from another source, IN STOCK:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...027289123QQrdZ1

 

Auction has lasted awhile, has a ton of bidders, is $1k under the buy it now currently....

 

 

Please explain to me how this is not fishy. How is it LONESTAR's Shelby's seem to be worth $10k more in all cases? Granted theirs is a vert but notice no activity the past 2 days and 5 hours from end? Why won't they have a public auction so we can see if there is any fishy bidding activity?

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...021184168QQrdZ1

 

LONESTAR Ford auction, current bid to $69k, PRIVATE AUCTION so you can't see the bidders. Car isn't even delivered yet!

 

Yet here is a BUY IT NOW $59k from another source, IN STOCK:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...027289123QQrdZ1

 

Auction has lasted awhile, has a ton of bidders, is $1k under the buy it now currently....

Please explain to me how this is not fishy. How is it LONESTAR's Shelby's seem to be worth $10k more in all cases? Granted theirs is a vert but notice no activity the past 2 days and 5 hours from end? Why won't they have a public auction so we can see if there is any fishy bidding activity?

 

Because, as stated in earlier post, Lonestar is the ONLY HONEST DEALER :hysterical: , and, therefore, EVERYBODY knows they should buy it from Lonestar at $10k more, because they're so ethical!

We on this board are simply uninformed! :doh:

 

Yeah right...

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...021184168QQrdZ1

 

LONESTAR Ford auction, current bid to $69k, PRIVATE AUCTION so you can't see the bidders. Car isn't even delivered yet!

 

Yet here is a BUY IT NOW $59k from another source, IN STOCK:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...027289123QQrdZ1

 

Auction has lasted awhile, has a ton of bidders, is $1k under the buy it now currently....

Please explain to me how this is not fishy. How is it LONESTAR's Shelby's seem to be worth $10k more in all cases? Granted theirs is a vert but notice no activity the past 2 days and 5 hours from end? Why won't they have a public auction so we can see if there is any fishy bidding activity?

 

 

Evil, I thought you were better than this. Your other complaints not withstanding, comparing a coupe to a convertible makes no sense and doesn't support your position.

 

Here is another CONVERTIBLE auction with a high bid in line with ours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-FORD-M...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

The $4000 difference can easily be attributed to the color.

 

As stated before, the reason for "secrecy" is simply to protect the bidder from fraudulent second chance offers and other mischief. This is a decision that I personally made and is a blanket policy that applies to all our auctions not just our GT500's (we may have missed a few here and there). While I understand your concern (I'm not being sarcastic - I do understand) I place a higher priority on protecting our customers from fraud than the curiosity of skeptics. Since implementing this policy, we have eliminated inquiries related to bidders receiving fraudulent offers.

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As stated before, the reason for "secrecy" is simply to protect the bidder from fraudulent second chance offers and other mischief. This is a decision that I personally made and is a blanket policy that applies to all our auctions not just our GT500's (we may have missed a few here and there). While I understand your concern (I'm not being sarcastic - I do understand) I place a higher priority on protecting our customers from fraud than the curiosity of skeptics. Since implementing this policy, we have eliminated inquiries related to bidders receiving fraudulent offers.

 

 

The largest purchase I've made on ebay was close to $4,000 for a guitar. If the auction had been private, there is no way I would have bid. $70,000 purchase? No freaking way.

 

Perhaps you don't like my examples, but as a whole lonestar's cars seem to pull $10k more than others, and lonestar is the only one with private auctions. The most likely explanation for this is shill bidding. I'm not saying YOU are doing it, but someone else might be.

 

I noticed the auction ended with reserve not met! $20k over not enough for a car not even delivered yet!

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We have considered not using the private auctions since your comments in the other thread. We never thought that people would see that as fraud. But, before we kept all the bidders info open, several foreign criminals used that "contact bidder" link to offer them a "frivolous" 2nd chance offer. We have been talking to ebaY for weeks on a soultion. I mean, you would think there would be a way to prevent all the fraud

with the billions of dollars ebay generates.

 

We do not advocate or participate in schill bidding. Number one, we do not have to cheat to sell cars. (please dont bring up adms keep it in the other marathon thread)

Plus, ebaY will ban any user for that. With the amount of sales we are doing it wouldnt be worth it, even if we could get 30,000 over on a Shelby.

 

And the convertible you are comparing to a coupe was purchased/paid for from another texas dealer and the eta is still tomorrow (pray to god ford keeps the schedule). We have the MSO or Certificate of Origination.

 

I think our auctions do a little better for several reasons:

1) www.lonestarford.com links to ebay auctions and has a big advertising budget

2) search engine optimization through Advantix

3) Our photos/ Original Msrp/ Auction style is better than most on ebay (i think)

4) All the threads in www.stangsunleashed.com and numerous sites draw some

attention (while most post here are pretty negative, any exposure is good news)

 

Maybe we can do an open auction for evil chris.

 

evil chris are you bidding on our cars?

 

check out our counter report:

 

 

 

 

Hello, lonestarfordinc |

Counter Report

 

The status of all listing counters you have had on eBay listings.

 

Stock #

eBay #

Listing

Status

Count

Style

#1421

130023786499

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

LIVE

391

Blue/White

69042

130023809105

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4X4

LIVE

493

Blue/White

#1395

130023809727

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

LIVE

914

Blue/White

61643

130023810649

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

466

Blue/White

61401

130023811650

2006 Ford Expedition EDDIE BAUER

LIVE

452

Blue/White

61642

130023814043

2006 Ford Expedition XLT 2WD

LIVE

213

Blue/White

61574

130023856208

2006 Ford Mustang GT

LIVE

703

Blue/White

70077

130023827998

2007 Ford Mustang GT

LIVE

588

Blue/White

61556

130023831267

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

LIVE

436

Blue/White

61685

130023831965

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

LIVE

442

Blue/White

70101

130023845122

2007 Ford F-250 LARIAT

LIVE

369

Blue/White

61776

130023848803

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

335

Blue/White

61366A

130023540947

2005 Toyota Tundra TUNDRA SR5

LIVE

841

Blue/White

61737

130023855664

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

304

Blue/White

70136

130023856402

2007 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4X4

LIVE

301

Blue/White

70118

130023857179

2007 Ford F-250 KING RANCH

LIVE

284

Blue/White

70057

130023858005

2007 Ford Five Hundred LIMITED

LIVE

239

Blue/White

69155

130023859034

2006 Ford Fusion SEL

LIVE

350

Blue/White

70130

130023860217

2007 Ford F-350 KING RANCH

LIVE

295

Blue/White

70123

130023861250

2007 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4x4

LIVE

438

Blue/White

70134

130023861560

2007 Ford F-350 4x4 LARIAT

LIVE

240

Blue/White

61026

130023862060

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

LIVE

555

Blue/White

70126

130023862361

2007 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4x4

LIVE

442

Blue/White

70141

130023862533

2007 Ford F-350 CREW CAB

LIVE

193

Blue/White

P5495

130023772796

2003 Ford F-150 LIGHTNING

LIVE

940

Blue/White

70136

130023862757

2007 Ford F-250 LARIAT

LIVE

282

Blue/White

70043

130023863071

2007 Ford Escape HYBRID

LIVE

279

Blue/White

70165

130022948154

2007 Ford Mustang CALIFORNIA

LIVE

2192

Blue/White

61681

130023863191

2006 Ford F-150 XLT 4X4

LIVE

344

Blue/White

70076

130023863448

2007 Ford Mustang GT

LIVE

397

Blue/White

61732

130023864518

2006 Ford F-150 4x4 STYLESID

LIVE

221

Blue/White

70159

130023772301

2007 Ford Crown Victoria

LIVE

519

Blue/White

70118

130023864881

2007 Ford F-250 KING RANCH

LIVE

508

Blue/White

70065

130023865296

2007 Ford Escape HYBRID

LIVE

190

Blue/White

70090

130023865753

2007 Ford Mustang GT

LIVE

607

Blue/White

61767

130023865912

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

202

Blue/White

61796

130023866822

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

376

Blue/White

70173

130024112214

2007 Ford F-150 XLT

LIVE

180

Blue/White

#23

130021718997

2007 Ford F-150 HARLEY

LIVE

4739

Blue/White

5225071

130022908488

2007 Ford Mustang SHELBY GT500

LIVE

4356

Blue/White

70190

130022921392

2006 Ford F-350 SUPER CREW

LIVE

870

Blue/White

70160

130022939429

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB

LIVE

2516

Blue/White

70225

130024116757

2007 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

LIVE

176

Blue/White

70233

130024123460

2007 Ford Mustang PREM

LIVE

153

Blue/White

70191

130024140793

2007 Ford Mustang PREM

LIVE

151

Blue/White

60625

4614405480

2006 Ford F-250 KING RANCH

Done

9

Blue/White

B78330

4639146859

2006 Ford F-250 Lariat fx4

Done

2337

Blue/White

60335

130003844761

2006 Ford F-150 XL

Done

500

Blue/White

60793

4616529790

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1920

Blue/White

(none)

4614685770

2006 Ford Ranger SPORT

Done

973

Blue/White

A44232

4612042119

2006 Ford Ranger SUPERCAB

Done

518

Blue/White

A78469

4622083579

2006 Ford F-150 SUPERCAB 4X4

Done

941

Blue/White

A18618

4609226845

2006 Ford Explorer XLS

Done

1642

Blue/White

C07111

4613795017

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT

Done

961

Blue/White

B36575

4621845325

2006 Ford Escape HYBRID

Done

1172

Blue/White

B94024

4608989102

2006 Ford F-150 SUPERCREW

Done

1373

Blue/White

A38994

4608989186

2006 Ford F-150 SUPERCREW

Done

1123

Blue/White

A20139

4612039070

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

8

Blue/White

A19047

4619657361

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

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2722

Blue/White

#1198

130008622005

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

Done

1345

Blue/White

243009

4609717778

2005 Ford Mustang PREMIUM

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716

Blue/White

B94024

4613807809

2006 Ford F-150 SUPERCREW

Done

659

Blue/White

141515

4614831253

2006 Ford 500 SEL

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619

Blue/White

A58989

4614683719

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

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938

Blue/White

A42816

4612042836

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

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1198

Blue/White

A45264

4614855798

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB 4X4

Done

903

Blue/White

168475

4613366158

2006 Ford Mustang DELUXE

Done

856

Blue/White

60547

4614681102

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

2052

Blue/White

184416

4619020778

2003 Chevrolet Tahoe LT Z71

Done

446

Blue/White

(none)

4621223385

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT

Done

403

Blue/White

A11852

4623100569

2006 Ford Expedition XLT

Done

1791

Blue/White

A18397

4623100634

2006 Ford Expedition XLT

Done

1619

Blue/White

60686

4621830352

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

1837

Blue/White

C58462

4620775891

2006 Ford F-150 FX4

Done

2987

Blue/White

60700

4622084556

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

2043

Blue/White

A88994

4618133843

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1636

Blue/White

60708

4615779107

2006 Ford F-150 FX4

Done

944

Blue/White

C67588

4617411724

2006 Ford F-150 XLT

Done

948

Blue/White

60788

130001198121

2006 Ford F-250 XLT 5.4

Done

851

Blue/White

C58414

4621275738

2006 Ford F-150 FX4

Done

5246

Blue/White

60738

4621280287

2006 Ford F-250 XLT SPORT

Done

4365

Blue/White

60373

4621829891

2006 Ford Mustang COUPE

Done

837

Blue/White

60896

4642513427

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

2175

Blue/White

C59862

4620780453

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

Done

2139

Blue/White

207218

4620223472

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1558

Blue/White

168972

4619581821

2006 Ford 500 LIMITED, LTD

Done

1782

Blue/White

60843

4622084441

2006 Ford SE SPORT

Done

1657

Blue/White

60834

4623095207

2006 Ford Explorer EDDIE BAUER

Done

1562

Blue/White

60831

4620775736

2006 Ford F-350 KING RANCH

Done

1180

Blue/White

C79198

4624043796

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB 4X4

Done

7431

Blue/White

60976

4646653305

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

2119

Blue/White

60986

4625171771

2006 Ford Expedition LIMITED

Done

1142

Blue/White

A89102

4623663149

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

8139

Blue/White

C79240

4624671749

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB

Done

3362

Blue/White

60638

130003827837

2006 Ford Explorer XLS

Done

790

Blue/White

215963

4627627846

2006 Ford Mustang PONY PACKAGE

Done

1620

Blue/White

60979

4633219304

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT FX4

Done

1676

Blue/White

B07224

4629665377

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

4423

Blue/White

60964

4633544470

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT FX4

Done

1285

Blue/White

C79662

4632143061

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1139

Blue/White

60784

130000037396

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

675

Blue/White

D32055

4630996079

2006 Ford F-350 LARIAT

Done

2232

Blue/White

61134

4631471545

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

2311

Blue/White

61169

4647318699

2006 Ford F-350 LARIAT

Done

1596

Blue/White

60752

4633221190

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

686

Blue/White

61150

4636581514

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB

Done

1298

Blue/White

61035

130001723882

2006 Ford FUSION

Done

701

Blue/White

61160

130000049984

2006 Ford FUSION

Done

593

Blue/White

A21778

4643384240

2006 Ford Explorer XLT

Done

758

Blue/White

60902

4633219648

2006 Ford F-350 LARIAT

Done

1291

Blue/White

C60172

4633575941

2006 Ford F-150 XLT

Done

1201

Blue/White

61147

4633222385

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

905

Blue/White

61082

130000055862

2006 Ford Explorer EDDIE BAUER

Done

1283

Blue/White

C59467

4630754171

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

1457

Blue/White

60889

130005943150

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1130

Blue/White

61023

4642304090

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

2477

Blue/White

61052

4633537380

2006 Ford Focus ZX3

Done

1795

Blue/White

61196

4633555800

2006 Ford Mustang Mustang

Done

1162

Blue/White

60815

4633967406

2006 Ford F-250 KING RANCH

Done

955

Blue/White

60161

130003845075

2006 Ford F-150 XLT

Done

530

Blue/White

60038

4636553768

2006 Ford Expedition XLS

Done

564

Blue/White

60222

130013362400

2006 Ford Mustang V6

Done

559

Blue/White

81527

4634135350

2006 Ford FUSION SEL

Done

833

Blue/White

61186

4649105438

2006 Ford F-350 4x4

Done

777

Blue/White

D39433

4632522915

2006 Ford F-350 KING RANCH

Done

2508

Blue/White

224606

4636550094

2006 Ford Mustang PONY

Done

1770

Blue/White

A34312

4636550839

2006 Ford F-150 HARLEY

Done

705

Blue/White

61254

4642291780

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1435

Blue/White

(none)

4633556059

2006 Ford Mustang V6 DELUXE

Done

411

Blue/White

197709

4643253037

2007 Ford Mustang SHELBY GT

Done

15702

Blue/White

(none)

4633553672

2006 Ford Mustang PONY PACKAGE

Done

965

Blue/White

60991

4636545973

2006 Ford Ranger 2WD

Done

784

Blue/White

61240

4636546721

2006 Ford F-150 4x4 Stylesid

Done

1088

Blue/White

D07660

4634095157

2006 Ford F-150 FX4 4X4

Done

4054

Blue/White

61232

4634256688

2006 Ford Expedition EDDIE BAUER

Done

1872

Blue/White

60994

4636530248

2006 Ford Ranger PICK UP

Done

1005

Blue/White

A96574

4644286260

2006 Ford F-150 SUPERCREW

Done

652

Blue/White

B07244

4643385592

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1334

Blue/White

70011

4642293217

2007 Ford Explorer Sport Trac Limited

Done

2955

Blue/White

234719

4636617501

2006 Ford Focus S

Done

906

Blue/White

147129

4649791382

2006 Ford Focus SE

Done

1280

Blue/White

D63856

4638746035

2006 Ford F-250 CREW CAB

Done

2991

Blue/White

(none)

4636639883

2006 Ford F-350 KING RANCH

Done

998

Blue/White

61284

4636570197

2006 Ford Explorer EDDIE BAUER

Done

752

Blue/White

61329

130013360568

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1447

Blue/White

B15139

4637998513

2006 Ford F-150 4x4

Done

1075

Blue/White

61350

4646369747

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

673

Blue/White

61349

130017184083

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1152

Blue/White

62635

4644562114

2006 Ford F-250 FX4 4X4

Done

2736

Blue/White

61193A

4641894058

2003 Honda Civic Si i-VTEC

Done

2918

Blue/White

61383

130007412366

2006 Ford Mustang PONY PACKAGE

Done

711

Blue/White

61289

4644273378

2006 Ford F-150 4x4 LARIAT

Done

2418

Blue/White

61418

130003830824

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

587

Blue/White

#0803

130020371156

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

Done

1902

Blue/White

61393

4649096257

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

Done

778

Blue/White

#1019

130021072175

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

Done

2635

Blue/White

#1595

130021089359

2006 Ford Ford GT GT SUPERCAR

Done

2032

Blue/White

GT GROUP

4645200458

2006 Ford Ford GT GT SUPERCAR

Done

9002

Blue/White

#1421

130019919887

2006 Ford Ford GT GT

Done

1826

Blue/White

61338

130003848136

2006 Ford F-150 XLT 4X4

Done

406

Blue/White

61297

130001731249

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1394

Blue/White

60781

130003843494

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

750

Blue/White

61511

130015441081

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

Done

1091

Blue/White

#1187

130011732689

2006 Ford Ford GT HERITAGE

Done

2148

Blue/White

P5426

4651831038

2003 Ford Excursion Eddie Bauer

Done

785

Blue/White

61485

130003950650

2006 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer

Done

936

Blue/White

61501

4648607299

2006 Ford F-150 KING RANCH

Done

1970

Blue/White

D62635

4649295953

2006 Ford F-250 4x4

Done

3501

Blue/White

70027

130004187076

2007 Ford 500 LIMITED

Done

341

Blue/White

61577

130009864335

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1021

Blue/White

61581

130008364720

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

2434

Blue/White

61452

130005984049

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1280

Blue/White

61266

130001728073

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

1525

Blue/White

212997

130007413128

2004 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1120

Blue/White

61608

130007825958

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

1791

Blue/White

61561

130004693907

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

1927

Blue/White

2006

130002815675

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

6579

Blue/White

69045

130004389708

2006 Ford F-250 LARIAT

Done

2190

Blue/White

R03593

130007487810

2002 BMW 745Li

Done

1940

Red/White

61702

130010657843

2006 Ford F-150 STX 4x4

Done

1733

Blue/White

70066

130010650002

2006 Ford F-250 HARLEY

Done

2138

Blue/White

61680

130013150704

2006 Ford Expedition EDDIE BAUER

Done

614

Blue/White

61508

130010655220

2006 Ford Expedition Limited 2WD

Done

751

Blue/White

05494

130005431905

2003 Lexus LS430

Done

212

Blue/White

61517

130008365035

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT

Done

1911

Blue/White

700

130014049623

2007 Ford F-250

Done

2023

Blue/White

LA91270

130009705248

2006 Ford Expedition KING RANCH

Done

1052

Blue/White

61550

130015436446

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

1392

Blue/White

#1253

130010281046

2006 Ford Ford GT HERITAGE

Done

1381

Blue/White

E03225

130019149070

2006 Ford F-150 LARIAT 4X4

Done

2462

Blue/White

259141

130014696104

2006 Ford Mustang GT

Done

3045

Blue/White

A07284

130021045561

2007 Ford F-250 CREW CAB

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4866

Blue/White

60974A

130018750706

2002 Lexus GS430 GS 430

Done

1028

Blue/White

61552A

130018750886

2003 Lexus LS430 LS

Done

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...021184168QQrdZ1

 

LONESTAR Ford auction, current bid to $69k, PRIVATE AUCTION so you can't see the bidders. Car isn't even delivered yet!

 

Yet here is a BUY IT NOW $59k from another source, IN STOCK:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustan...027289123QQrdZ1

 

Auction has lasted awhile, has a ton of bidders, is $1k under the buy it now currently....

Please explain to me how this is not fishy. How is it LONESTAR's Shelby's seem to be worth $10k more in all cases? Granted theirs is a vert but notice no activity the past 2 days and 5 hours from end? Why won't they have a public auction so we can see if there is any fishy bidding activity?

 

 

 

 

Chris,

 

I certainly won't and don't have a comment about LoneStars pricing, but I will tell you that I have both bid on and held "private" auctions on eBay. Specifically for high priced items. People cruise eBay looking for "passion" in bidding and when they find people who are probably disappointed at their loss of an auction, they pounce with a "second chance offer". It's fake, of course, but an unknowing bidder (which is the majority of those on eBay) knows eBay actually HAS a second chance mechanism and mistakes this one for the real thing. These thieving bastards are very good at it. They can also "fish" to see if you have a PayPal account linked to your ID.

 

I get three or four spoof PayPal requests per week because I do quite a bit of biz on eBay. I report them all, but I'll tell you, they really are real-looking quite often.

 

So, are these guys using this for their own profit? Probably. Is there are problem with private auctions? Absolutely not.

 

Hey, at the end of the day those of us that bitched about high ADM have/are doing do because it directly affects us getting a car at the price we want. Truth be told, and if the tables were turned, 99% of us would do the same thing because we're all smart and opportunistic. This car evokes passion, but so does desire. From the time we were all kids, we wanted most what we couldn't obtain. This example is no different.

 

Those folks that wanted early cars (myself included) paid whatever it took to get one. To those that got MSRP, congrats (I wasn't one of them). For those of us who paid anywhere from a little to a ton over sticker paid exactly what the car was worth to the individual, not to you or anyone else. Will they ever recoup their "overage"? Nope. I only paid a couple of grand over, and I'm not banking on ever getting my money back or making money on this car. I bought it to drive and enjoy, not as an investment. Hell, I have 2,000 miles on it in a month! It's a driver!

 

Sorry about the long post, but let's really let the "supply and demand" thing play itself out. For you, and others that want one but refuse to pay more than MSRP, just be patient. You may find one at that price....you may not. That's the risk you take for sticking to your guns. No one would ever fault you...and I respect all of you, for that. But, you DO take the risk of that event never happening. Again, it all boils down to what it's worth to YOU.

 

Thank you , America, and good night.

 

(BTW, thanks for the help on the math question. I was doing it bass-ackwards)

 

:shift:

 

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Lonestar,

 

Good job coming on here and defending yourself without the "I'm gonna sue everybody" attitude. These types of posts will get you a lot more respect and credibility than the previous ones.

 

Maybe it is legit, but, it does seem odd that your bids are consistently higher.

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People cruise eBay looking for "passion" in bidding and when they find people who are probably disappointed at their loss of an auction, they pounce with a "second chance offer". It's fake, of course, but an unknowing bidder (which is the majority of those on eBay) knows eBay actually HAS a second chance mechanism and mistakes this one for the real thing. These thieving bastards are very good at it. They can also "fish" to see if you have a PayPal account linked to your ID.

 

I get three or four spoof PayPal requests per week because I do quite a bit of biz on eBay. I report them all, but I'll tell you, they really are real-looking quite often.

 

bj

 

Thanks bj, this is interesting and I'd like to know a bit more. I'm a "seldom" ebay user..and have never had a "2nd chance offer" sent to me. Do they come via email or through the ebay site? If through ebay, don't they have the seller name with the "rating" attached? I would think the rating would be either zero or very low. If it's an email...then I see what you are saying...please describe in a bit more detail how the scam works so I know what to watch for.

 

Dave

 

We have considered not using the private auctions since your comments in the other thread. We never thought that people would see that as fraud. But, before we kept all the bidders info open, several foreign criminals used that "contact bidder" link to offer them a "frivolous" 2nd chance offer. We have been talking to ebaY for weeks on a soultion. I mean, you would think there would be a way to prevent all the fraud

with the billions of dollars ebay generates.

 

We do not advocate or participate in schill bidding. Number one, we do not have to cheat to sell cars. (please dont bring up adms keep it in the other marathon thread)

Plus, ebaY will ban any user for that. With the amount of sales we are doing it wouldnt be worth it, even if we could get 30,000 over on a Shelby.

 

And the convertible you are comparing to a coupe was purchased/paid for from another texas dealer and the eta is still tomorrow (pray to god ford keeps the schedule). We have the MSO or Certificate of Origination.

 

I think our auctions do a little better for several reasons:

1) www.lonestarford.com links to ebay auctions and has a big advertising budget

2) search engine optimization through Advantix

3) Our photos/ Original Msrp/ Auction style is better than most on ebay (i think)

4) All the threads in www.stangsunleashed.com and numerous sites draw some

attention (while most post here are pretty negative, any exposure is good news)

 

Maybe we can do an open auction for evil chris.

 

evil chris are you bidding on our cars?

 

 

I believe this...make sense and seems logical. There may be other factors as well. I know nothing about the cost of living in Texas, but I've traveled enough to know that many things cost dramatically more in some cities/regions than in others. I know that MSRP may be the same, but the ADMs by region may vary. For example, the average salary of a (pick a job title) in Iowa may be $60,000/year. For that person, the GT500 at $60k (with ADM) costs a year's salary. For that exact same job in Connecticut or San Diego or San Francisco, where the cost of living (and to a lesser extent wages) is higher, that person may make $72,000...so the GT500 costs only 83% of a year's salary. Therefore, a dealer may be able to charge a higher ADM in the "high cost of living" areas.

 

I live in Indiana....almost everything is inexpensive here (relatively speaking of course). We were on vacation in San Diego in May, and looked at two houses for sale that were very similar to ours in size, age, and quality...and they cost about double what ours is worth...yikes!

 

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Thanks bj, this is interesting and I'd like to know a bit more. I'm a "seldom" ebay user..and have never had a "2nd chance offer" sent to me. Do they come via email or through the ebay site? If through ebay, don't they have the seller name with the "rating" attached? I would think the rating would be either zero or very low. If it's an email...then I see what you are saying...please describe in a bit more detail how the scam works so I know what to watch for.

 

 

These crooks can be very sophisticated. The really good ones will first pirate a legitimate user's account so that you'll be able to see the postive feedback, history, etc. One of the key give-aways is they'll often only communicate via e-mail. Many times there will be some story about how they've moved their operations overseas in order to provide a cover story if they have you wire funds to their (overseas) bank. In other instances they'll have you send money via western union or other questionable avenues.

 

In a related fraud (it took me a couple times to figure this one out), "customers" would call me claiming to be interested in a particular vehicle we had on eBay. They would always sound very convicted in their prospective purchase. The would request that I fax a copy of the buyer's order so they could bring it to their bank. This seemed normal, so I'd do it. After the first time I did it, the buyer vanished. I figured he was just another flake and didn't give it another thought. A few months later it happened again (different buyer, different car). This time my suspicion was raised to the point that I at least started trying to think about why this might be happening. I gave it passing thought over the next day or so when I finally put two and two together. I remembered a few fraud inquiries we had received where the bidder requested that I either send a contract so that he would "feel comfortable knowing he was the only buyer" or, and here's the part that made sense now, "I (the customer) can send you one that I've already prepared." So I figured out the complete fraud is to get a legit buyer's order from a dealer so that when you make a fraudulent second chance offer to someone, you have some official looking paperwork on hand to present/fax to the mark. This is why I now require a credit card deposit, including a copy of their driver's license and insurance before I send anything out (I didn't get them before because I was basically naive and/or lazy). A deposit may not be perfect protection, but most crooks will move on before making any effort like that.

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These crooks can be very sophisticated. The really good ones will first pirate a legitimate user's account so that you'll be able to see the postive feedback, history, etc. One of the key give-aways is they'll often only communicate via e-mail. Many times there will be some story about how they've moved their operations overseas in order to provide a cover story if they have you wire funds to their (overseas) bank. In other instances they'll have you send money via western union or other questionable avenues.

 

In a related fraud (it took me a couple times to figure this one out), "customers" would call me claiming to be interested in a particular vehicle we had on eBay. They would always sound very convicted in their prospective purchase. The would request that I fax a copy of the buyer's order so they could bring it to their bank. This seemed normal, so I'd do it. After the first time I did it, the buyer vanished. I figured he was just another flake and didn't give it another thought. A few months later it happened again (different buyer, different car). This time my suspicion was raised to the point that I at least started trying to think about why this might be happening. I gave it passing thought over the next day or so when I finally put two and two together. I remembered a few fraud inquiries we had received where the bidder requested that I either send a contract so that he would "feel comfortable knowing he was the only buyer" or, and here's the part that made sense now, "I (the customer) can send you one that I've already prepared." So I figured out the complete fraud is to get a legit buyer's order from a dealer so that when you make a fraudulent second chance offer to someone, you have some official looking paperwork on hand to present/fax to the mark. This is why I now require a credit card deposit, including a copy of their driver's license and insurance before I send anything out (I didn't get them before because I was basically naive and/or lazy). A deposit may not be perfect protection, but most crooks will move on before making any effort like that.

 

 

Yep, what he said.

 

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