BJ14DAGES Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I have ordered my car from a Non-SVT/Non-PA dealer in IN. I ordered the car with the out of state california emissions code #422 with a note at the end of the order stating Non-Cal Dlr Ord. I will be flying to IN to make the transaction (whenever it arrives) and putting it in covered transport to bring it home, but before I put it on the truck I would like to have peace of mind knowing that I have all the correct CA emission badging on the car to visibly confirm I will not have a problem smogging and registering my car in CA. If someone can educate me on what I need to look for I would greatly appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I have ordered my car from a Non-SVT/Non-PA dealer in IN. I ordered the car with the out of state california emissions code #422 with a note at the end of the order stating Non-Cal Dlr Ord. I will be flying to IN to make the transaction (whenever it arrives) and putting it in covered transport to bring it home, but before I put it on the truck I would like to have peace of mind knowing that I have all the correct CA emission badging on the car to visibly confirm I will not have a problem smogging and registering my car in CA. If someone can educate me on what I need to look for I would greatly appreciate it. Lift the hood up and check the white emission sticker to see if it states the vehicle complies with California ULEV II requiurements. The one I got from Ohio did and I registered it in CA no problem. (ordered w/o CA emmission pkg) If it doesn't, the only think they will give you is a pass to remove it from the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 With or without CA emission stickers, car is designed amd built to meet or exceed CA emission standards as all are these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest evilchris Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Correct. California cannot reject cars like they used to as this violates interstate commerce laws. The "smog impact fee" that used to be charged violated federal law and CA cannot get away with this crap anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Correct. California cannot reject cars like they used to as this violates interstate commerce laws. The "smog impact fee" that used to be charged violated federal law and CA cannot get away with this crap anymore. If that label does not state California Ulev II, it will not be registered in the state of California as a new car. It will have to have 7500 miles on it and be previously registered to register it in this state. If you try to put 7500 miles on it first to register it, it is a felony. California not only can reject cars, they do it often! make sure the car states California compliance or plan on registering it in another state as they absolutely will not accept a 49 state vehicle. First thing you will need to do is go to the DMV and have it inspected, which includes verification of that little white label. Then you will have to get it smog tested. Then you can register it if the correct emmission label has been verified by DMV. Don't try AAA cuz they cannot do it for an out of state new vehicle. You now have differing opinions I would suggest you believe the one I am giving you. Peace! (Have your dealer Lift the hood up email a picture of the white emission sticker. Its on the hood itself on the front right corner.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Here is a link for the application to regisister and the required vehicle verification form that DMV MUST fill ot prior to registration: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/checklists/outofstate.htm Click on the blue (REG 343) link and print the forms. You may fill out the registration part, but the second sheet must be filled out by the inspector. Note that on the form is the absolute requirement for the inspector to verify that the vehicle emission label states specific words relative to meeting California ULEV II requirements. If you don't have that label, you will not register it. The good news is the vehicle will probably have that label. Try to get the MSO if you can> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest evilchris Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 If this is still what they are doing ( still illegal btw, it will eventually be smashed in the courts as was the smog impact fee ), is a sticker check all they do? Those can be ordered for $10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FormerGmc Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They verify everything on the form. Then they got a floor mirror to verify the underbody exhaust and then we argued cuz the vehicle did not have an emission pump. Then I gave him the CARB cert I previously downloaded from the AQMD and we argued about that with his supervisor. Then I got it smogged. Then I went back and we argued about the MSO I didn't have with his the clerks supervisor. We next argued cuz I didn't have the title cuz ford had it and I had to show them info I downloaded from the DMV site trhat said I didn't need it. That got the supervisors boss (manager?) involved and another 1/2 hour discussion until he told them to "just do it" even though they did not want to. We the proceeded to the next window to get registration and plates that resulted in another 40 minutes of their database searches, discussion, etc . I finally got a "non-transferable" registration and put the plate on the car. The smog guy was also an absolute pain in the ass checking the cats and looking for a pump like the inspector did. The next problem was the California smog computer thingy had no classification for a 2007 mustang with a 5.4. I finally suggested he try 20007 Shelby and that went thru. So, we can pretend some of us are constitutional lawyers and have a nice Shelby that California orders out of the state (I think they give you seven days), or try to do it right the first time and have a Shelby we can drive. Its up to each how they approach it. Pick your poison. My suggestion is to download the form from the link and read all the other links and be ready when you go to the DMV. Or, go in and tell them what they are doing is illegal cuz you brother bobs sister in laws brother read it in the newspaper or on the internet. If you choose the latter, lets us know how that went! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 If that label does not state California Ulev II, it will not be registered in the state of California as a new car. It will have to have 7500 miles on it and be previously registered to register it in this state. If you try to put 7500 miles on it first to register it, it is a felony. California not only can reject cars, they do it often! make sure the car states California compliance or plan on registering it in another state as they absolutely will not accept a 49 state vehicle. First thing you will need to do is go to the DMV and have it inspected, which includes verification of that little white label. Then you will have to get it smog tested. Then you can register it if the correct emmission label has been verified by DMV. Don't try AAA cuz they cannot do it for an out of state new vehicle. You now have differing opinions I would suggest you believe the one I am giving you. Peace! (Have your dealer Lift the hood up email a picture of the white emission sticker. Its on the hood itself on the front right corner.) if it passes smog in CA, then you have nothing to worry about and need not have driven the car 7500 miles previous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest evilchris Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I can tell from last 5 of VIN once you get it if it is Cal emissions car. As usual evilchris is full of crap. How about you knock off the flames? I've posted more useful, CORRECT information in 1 week than you could in 10 years of membership on this site. I've reported your rule violating post to mods. At least I can hold back my insults, and believe me I have a flurry on the tip of my toungue for the likes of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 "if it passes smog in CA, then you have nothing to worry about and need not have driven the car 7500 miles previous." One more time: If the vehicle label does not state California requirements, you will NOT register that vehicle in the state of California. The Bottom Line If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws in order to be registered here. Aren’t All Vehicles California Certified? Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold to California residents or businesses. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-State) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. 50-State or California certified vehicles are made to be sold to California residents. What Is Considered a New Vehicle? California law considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer when acquired by a California resident or business to be a new vehicle. This holds true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state. If you acquire a new vehicle from another state, you may not subsequently drive it to accumulate over 7,500 miles to circumvent the law. DMV cannot accept an application to register the vehicle, and you cannot register or operate the vehicle in California. Choose the advise you follow carefully! I'm done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnut Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 "if it passes smog in CA, then you have nothing to worry about and need not have driven the car 7500 miles previous." One more time: If the vehicle label does not state California requirements, you will NOT register that vehicle in the state of California. The Bottom Line If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws in order to be registered here. Aren’t All Vehicles California Certified? Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold to California residents or businesses. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-State) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. 50-State or California certified vehicles are made to be sold to California residents. What Is Considered a New Vehicle? California law considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer when acquired by a California resident or business to be a new vehicle. This holds true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state. If you acquire a new vehicle from another state, you may not subsequently drive it to accumulate over 7,500 miles to circumvent the law. DMV cannot accept an application to register the vehicle, and you cannot register or operate the vehicle in California. Choose the advise you follow carefully! I'm done here. He knows of what he speaks. I read a horrible story about one of the mustang specialty parts owners that bought a 93 cobra R with less than 7500 miles. A rare car. The Socialist Republic of California, after a year of crap, actually told him to get it out of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 "if it passes smog in CA, then you have nothing to worry about and need not have driven the car 7500 miles previous." One more time: If the vehicle label does not state California requirements, you will NOT register that vehicle in the state of California. The Bottom Line If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws in order to be registered here. Aren’t All Vehicles California Certified? Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold to California residents or businesses. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-State) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. 50-State or California certified vehicles are made to be sold to California residents. What Is Considered a New Vehicle? California law considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer when acquired by a California resident or business to be a new vehicle. This holds true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state. If you acquire a new vehicle from another state, you may not subsequently drive it to accumulate over 7,500 miles to circumvent the law. DMV cannot accept an application to register the vehicle, and you cannot register or operate the vehicle in California. Choose the advise you follow carefully! I'm done here. That's exactly what I was saying. If you bring a car into CA to register it, it will either have CA cert stampings, some form of emissions paperwork, or nothing. If it has nothing, you must get a smog test (unless it is "brand new") If I am not mistaken, ALL vehicles manufactured in the USA these days, are built to satisfy CA emission specs. Cars that are destined for the CA market in the first place, will have needed CA paperwork etc. However, if a car if a car is destined for another state (say with less stringent environmental laws) then it will most likely not have the paperwork needed to be registered in CA. This does not mean that the car can't be registered in CA. But it does probably mean that you might have to get it smogged before you get it registered. That's what I had to do with my 03 Cobra. It was originally built aand delivered to a dealership in Wisconsin. I had it shipped to CA. and then registered it without a smog certificate, but was told that I'd most likely get an invite to the DMV sog center within 2 years instead of 4 years (on new cars). Since I had some mods done, I had it smogged anyways. Passing smog, I had no problems with DMV registration ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 "I read a horrible story about one of the mustang specialty parts owners that bought a 93 cobra R with less than 7500 miles. A rare car. The Socialist Republic of California, after a year of crap, actually told him to get it out of the state." I know of more than one that was directed to remove his new car from California. Just make sure the car has the white sticker meeting Ca ULEV II and you will be ok. You will still need to get a smog test and Verification of the label by the DMV prior to registration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 noncaveh.pdf BJ14DAGES, A pdf file is attached for Ca. registration . noncaveh.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 He knows of what he speaks. I read a horrible story about one of the mustang specialty parts owners that bought a 93 cobra R with less than 7500 miles. A rare car. The Socialist Republic of California, after a year of crap, actually told him to get it out of the state. hmmm... I have had 2 (93 mMustang LX & 03 Cobra) out of state vehicles registered in CA. Neither of which had original CA cert paperwork nor cert stampings on headers,manifolds,etc.. I simply had my car inspected by DMV, passed a smog test, paid a fee and 'viola', I had my CA registration. And although I had a new vehicle, I did not 'have to' actually pass a smog test right away. I was due after 2 years and every 2 years after that. On my 03 Cobra, only reason I did that, was to account for my complete aftermarket exhaust system to get CA's blessing since it was so loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 hmmm... I have had 2 (93 mMustang LX & 03 Cobra) out of state vehicles registered in CA. Neither of which had original CA cert paperwork nor cert stampings on headers,manifolds,etc.. I simply had my car inspected by DMV, passed a smog test, paid a fee and 'viola', I had my CA registration. And although I had a new vehicle, I did not 'have to' actually pass a smog test right away. I was due after 2 years and every 2 years after that. On my 03 Cobra, only reason I did that, was to account for my complete aftermarket exhaust system to get CA's blessing since it was so loud. Hope any following your advice is as lucky as you. I've posted the DMV rules and guidelines and their links in addition to a PDF attachment, all saying what you need to do. I have tranfered 3 out of state cars and the drill was exactly the same each time. I argued all the way to the top of the DMV chain about the sillyness of making me smog check a 50 state, brand new vehicle only to be required to smog them 3 times. I know car dealers who though they were smarter and watched them try to register in vain. The guy asked what is required and I gave it to him. The rules posted are directly from the DMV. Follow them if you wish. Or, maybe you feel lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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