They Got Me

[mciarochi]

Excellent Radar/Laser detector (Bel, Valentine, Escort), Laser Veil, and Laser Blinder. It's really the only way to go. Radarbuster, LaserVeil, Speedlabs, go there and read and learn. You need radar detection, laser stealth, and active laser jamming (presuming it's legal where you live).

 

Be a safe driver, even if you are exceeding the limit. If you're driving like a jackass, then you have no sympathy from me.

 

As far as eyeballing, pacing, and then nailing you with radar - well, I can't say I've ever seen that happen, nor can I think of why a cop would do all that when he can sit on the road and pick people off. I mean, really, how long to you have to wait for somebody to be doing 15 over? Five minutes outside? And then knowing that 99% of the ticketed will just roll over and pay, why go through all that trouble? Anyway, that's not what happened to the originator of this thread.

 

If you were a cop that was actually ticketing unsafe drivers, my hat's off to you, but you and I know that damn near every other cop is just out there is making money for the state/county/city they work for. It has nothing to do with safety. If it did, you would drive unmarked cars and pull over the jackasses that are all over the road making life dangerous for the rest of us.

 

If you have a ticket, get a lawyer. You'll probably get off, and there is a reason for that.

 

One of our kids got ambushed doing 61 in a 45 (how convenient, exactly 1 mph over the $$$ limit). We went to court, he pleaded Not Guilty, and the Solicitor gave us a rehearsed speech about how he's never lost a case. We let him talk, just looked stupid and kept the NG plea. Then he dropped the charge - reduced fine, no points, no record.

 

As we were driving home, I pointed out to Greg that the solicitor didn't lose this case, either. The reason they don't lose is they don't go to trial - they just offer a good deal. So don't buy it when somebody uses that line on you. Anybody who "never" loses just doesn't go to trial very often, if ever.

 

Andrea got a ticket for running a red and the cop WASN'T EVEN THERE! I was, and told the cop he was way out of line, and he said we were welcome to meet him in court. At the arraignment I mentioned to the solicitor that I was there, and the cop wasn't, and I was willing to swear to that. She looked at the ticket, looked at us, and said, how about we just dismiss this? We said, "Okay."

 

Andrea was under the impression that she could not challenge the ticket, and was actually thinking of writing a check to mail in! Which is exactly what the cop was counting on (except possibly a date from the cute chick that actually DID run a red light in order to run into us - which, BTW, is how her insurance company saw it).

 

Anyway, either part with about $1K for warning gear, drive smart and know your rights; drive the speed limit (ha ha ha); or roll over and pay up.

 

And like I've said here before, most of the time when all the alarms go off I'm not speeding anyway. When I'm at +speed, I've got a long view (for me and the gear) and no traffic.

 

And the current count in the last 6 months is FOUR motorists have been pulled over chasing or passing me in the GT500. It's really strange...

[STLN08]

most cops who see a detecter will automatically write a ticket.....im so so...i have yet to lose any speeding ticket using radar...your only chance is a dumb cop or a rookie..then you have a chance...my #1 thing...be nice...you act like an idiot you deserve a ticket....

 

 

Very accurate statement.

[STLN08]

I am glad you brought this up when the cop showed me what my speed was on the radar display it was blank, I said to him I dont see any #'s on the radar so he looked at it and turned it on. do you think this on tecnicality could be a cause for dismisal.

 

 

This defense will depend of yout States case law. In Missouri, an officer does not have to show you the radar display. I'm sure this is a safety issue for officers and the motorist being outside the vehicle on a busy interstate etc.

[BLOWN]

Bull wrote

 

most cops who see a detecter will automatically write a ticket.....im so so...i have yet to lose any speeding ticket using radar...your only chance is a dumb cop or a rookie..then you have a chance...my #1 thing...be nice...you act like an idiot you deserve a ticket....

 

 

AMEN brother!

[STLN08]

STLN8; What is your experience/knowledge of the laser deflectors mentioned earlier.

 

 

When I went thru the academy and we did traffic enforcement training we actually allowed family and friends to bring in their radar det. , laser jammers, etc. We then tested them all against different radar and lasers and nothing worked. They are all over priced gimmicks.

 

Radar det. will warn you when radar is being used in the area. Radar jammers do not exist! No manufacturer aside from the military would be allowed to produce something that travelled down U.S. highways jamming radars form Airports and Military Bases.

 

Laser det. will tell you when the laser hits your vehicle and its really just a warning that you just got nailed! Too late if your speeding. The officer had to aim the laser like a rifle at the front of your vehicle making him 100% that he has the right car. He does not have to pick which car out of a pack. Thats why officers are always standing outside their cars and shooting lasers.

 

A stealth black car with no reflective angles will make it difficult for the officer to bounce the laser off the front of your car. However the windshield will usually be the third item he shoots at, after the front plate or front grill. Even the shiny cobra can bounce a laser.

[STLN08]

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( As far as eyeballing, pacing, and then nailing you with radar - well, I can't say I've ever seen that happen, nor can I think of why a cop would do all that when he can sit on the road and pick people off. I mean, really, how long to you have to wait for somebody to be doing 15 over? Five minutes outside? And then knowing that 99% of the ticketed will just roll over and pay, why go through all that trouble? Anyway, that's not what happened to the originator of this thread.)

 

 

This how we catch the Aholes that are driving like idiots and running radar det. Anybody can go catch a speeder, but good cops are going after the road rage. And yes, I did drive an unmarked crown vic with a spot light and 5 antennas on the trunk for traffic enforcement. I could never figure out how everybody knew that I was a police officer on the side of the highway

 

 

Oh well ! That was a different time in my life and now I enjoy making money and driving my Shelby :beerchug:

[sharabi]

When I went thru the academy and we did traffic enforcement training we actually allowed family and friends to bring in their radar det. , laser jammers, etc. We then tested them all against different radar and lasers and nothing worked. They are all over priced gimmicks.

 

Radar det. will warn you when radar is being used in the area. Radar jammers do not exist! No manufacturer aside from the military would be allowed to produce something that travelled down U.S. highways jamming radars form Airports and Military Bases.

 

Laser det. will tell you when the laser hits your vehicle and its really just a warning that you just got nailed! Too late if your speeding. The officer had to aim the laser like a rifle at the front of your vehicle making him 100% that he has the right car. He does not have to pick which car out of a pack. Thats why officers are always standing outside their cars and shooting lasers.

 

A stealth black car with no reflective angles will make it difficult for the officer to bounce the laser off the front of your car. However the windshield will usually be the third item he shoots at, after the front plate or front grill. Even the shiny cobra can bounce a laser.

 

Is it true that when you decelerate as soon as you sense you are under impending radar lock.(like you see the trooper in the horizon ...or something like that) will make it also difficult to register speed because you are constantly changing yours to the degree that the reflection of the beam doesn't register home....?

[STLN08]

Is it true that when you decelerate as soon as you sense you are under impending radar lock.(like you see the trooper in the horizon ...or something like that) will make it also difficult to register speed because you are constantly changing yours to the degree that the reflection of the beam doesn't register home....?

 

NO, The radar display will show your speed sometimes before the officer can see you due to the radar going slightly over the crest of the hills or around corners. When you hit the brakes, they can see on their display that you are decelerating and he may lock you in at a lower speed and just write you for that amount. A very sensative radar det. may warn you in enough time to decel before you crest a hill or curve. A honest officer should not write you based on a reading that he had before he observed you. That is why he should first observe you then measure your speed. The radars emit such a wide band that reflection of beams never really comes into play.

[vbalouzian]

NO, The radar display will show your speed sometimes before the officer can see you due to the radar going slightly over the crest of the hills or around corners. When you hit the brakes, they can see on their display that you are decelerating and he may lock you in at a lower speed and just write you for that amount. A very sensative radar det. may warn you in enough time to decel before you crest a hill or curve. A honest officer should not write you based on a reading that he had before he observed you. That is why he should first observe you then measure your speed. The radars emit such a wide band that reflection of beams never really comes into play.

 

so what you are saying is that we are defensless against radar.

 

is it me or are the cops and city parking inforcment trying to make up for revenue lost from the housing market.

 

I am at a bad run this month. no tickets for 4 year got 2 driving violations and a parking ticket in one month, and all this before I got the GT500.

 

Holly $*%t.

 

[DDT]

so what you are saying is that we are defensless against radar.

 

is it me or are the cops and city parking inforcment trying to make up for revenue lost from the housing market.

 

I am at a bad run this month. no tickets for 4 year got 2 driving violations and a parking ticket in one month, and all this before I got the GT500.

 

Holly $*%t.

 

 

Yep your rite.

As the State of California is "14B" in the red, look out for any and all revenue sources.

 

That means if you are not Law Enforcement, Poletician, Lawyer or Judge;

 

"LOOK IN THE MIRROR AS YOU ARE THE REVENUE SOARCE"???????????

[2112]

Yep your rite.

As the State of California is "14B" in the red, look out for any and all revenue sources.

 

That means if you are not Law Enforcement, Poletician, Lawyer or Judge;

 

"LOOK IN THE MIRROR AS YOU ARE THE REVENUE SOARCE"???????????

 

I got these from another site, No offense intended to those out to serve and protect. WE know it is the politicians that bring this on.

[vbalouzian]

Anyone know a defense lawer that work in Antalope Valley in CA

[llcwhit]

Call a local courier servive. They will certainly have the name of a good traffic ticket atty.

[BCPD199]

Alot of cops are car guys. Unless you gave him some attitude during the stop, he will probaly be receptive to reducing the speeding summons down to a lesser charge. Also, keep in mind, a higher fine is better than points. Of course, if you were mouthy and told him how you pay his salary, all bets are off!

[vbalouzian]

Alot of cops are car guys. Unless you gave him some attitude during the stop, he will probaly be receptive to reducing the speeding summons down to a lesser charge. Also, keep in mind, a higher fine is better than points. Of course, if you were mouthy and told him how you pay his salary, all bets are off!

he was goint to give me the ticket wether I shined his shoes or mouthed off.

in all my ticked getting experiances I have always been Oh m sorry officer, BS. $hit I'm Tired of it, There was no trafic in site, I was his quota.

I feel for the guys working out there but I'm just upset it happened to me normally I would pay it off but this is my second in a month.

[BCPD199]

he was goint to give me the ticket wether I shined his shoes or mouthed off.

in all my ticked getting experiances I have always been Oh m sorry officer, BS. $hit I'm Tired of it, There was no trafic in site, I was his quota.

I feel for the guys working out there but I'm just upset it happened to me normally I would pay it off but this is my second in a month.

 

I didn't mean at the time of the stop. You have to understand something. He has a boss to answer to just like most of us here. If he's told to go out and enforce the speed limit on that highway, he has come back at the end of his tour and show he did something. What I'm suggesting is plead not guilty, go to court and speak to the officer on the side. If you have a clean license, I'd be surprised if he didn't reduce the speed or even make it a no point violation. In NJ 1-15 mph over is 2 points, 16-30 is 4 points. 12 points and your license is gone. Also, more points, the higher your insurance is. Hope this helps.

[regalt87]

I seldom pay attention to my detector cause my car is red with white stripes and they can't see it. Just kind of blends in.

[mciarochi]

I didn't mean at the time of the stop. You have to understand something. He has a boss to answer to just like most of us here. If he's told to go out and enforce the speed limit on that highway, he has come back at the end of his tour and show he did something. What I'm suggesting is plead not guilty, go to court and speak to the officer on the side. If you have a clean license, I'd be surprised if he didn't reduce the speed or even make it a no point violation. In NJ 1-15 mph over is 2 points, 16-30 is 4 points. 12 points and your license is gone. Also, more points, the higher your insurance is. Hope this helps.

Actually, the cop simply CAN'T change his story, or you walk free. All you have to do is point out to the judge that he wrote down one thing, and is saying something completely different. He is literally required to stick by his written story.

 

The prosecutor or solicitor, or the judge (who can freaking do anything at all) representing the state is the only one that can offer a deal once you get to the courtroom.

 

I thought about something yesterday, which is presumption of innocence, a primary tenet of our justice system.

 

Every time I've seen or heard of anything in a traffic court, there is a presumption of guilt. I even see it here in this thread.

 

Am I the only person who sees something terribly wrong with that?

[twobjshelbys]

I have found two speeds that keep speed enforcement officers happy:

 

sl +- delta

 

or

 

c + 1

 

sl = speed limit

delta = the tolerance level, usually not more than 5mph in cities, 10mph on open freeways

c = 186282MPS

 

when going c+1, conventional detectors don't work because you are going faster than speed-of-light based detecting instrument (either radio waves or laser light.)

 

c+1 is typically very difficult to achieve. I opt for the sl based method.

 

[TheKurgan]

Alot of cops are car guys. Unless you gave him some attitude during the stop, he will probaly be receptive to reducing the speeding summons down to a lesser charge. Also, keep in mind, a higher fine is better than points. Of course, if you were mouthy and told him how you pay his salary, all bets are off!

 

 

A general BS statement like that deserves a general BS response. I've found that I get out of more tickets by "copping" an attitude.

[kstrong]

You guys are tough on Police. I got pulled over on a back road 2 months ago in the 04 Mustang GT and the officer said I was going 114 klm in an 80 klm zone. My tires had actually left the ground when I went over a bump in the road. He asked me for insurance, ownership etc. He said " Your tires came off the road" . I said Cool! I have never done that before! He gave me a funny look, went back to his car. About five minutes later he come back and says Do you know how fast you were going? I said no I don't. He says 114 in an 80. I said I am sorry, I'll try to slow down. He say's well I love Mustangs, you had your seatbelt on and you understand you were going too fast, so I'll let you go with a warning. I said thank you, I'll slow down.

I was very polite and he let me go. Had I been a jerk it might not of been a warning. :happy feet:

If they find a Radar detector on your car, they rip it out. Radar detectors are illegal in Ontario.

[shelby 08]

You guys are tough on Police. I got pulled over on a back road 2 months ago in the 04 Mustang GT and the officer said I was going 114 klm in an 80 klm zone. My tires had actually left the ground when I went over a bump in the road. He asked me for insurance, ownership etc. He said " Your tires came off the road" . I said Cool! I have never done that before! He gave me a funny look, went back to his car. About five minutes later he come back and says Do you know how fast you were going? I said no I don't. He says 114 in an 80. I said I am sorry, I'll try to slow down. He say's well I love Mustangs, you had your seatbelt on and you understand you were going too fast, so I'll let you go with a warning. I said thank you, I'll slow down.

I was very polite and he let me go. Had I been a jerk it might not of been a warning. :happy feet:

If they find a Radar detector on your car, they rip it out. Radar detectors are illegal in Ontario.

 

 

and sometimes not just the detector

 

 

read ....then....weep

[BCPD199]

Actually, the cop simply CAN'T change his story, or you walk free. All you have to do is point out to the judge that he wrote down one thing, and is saying something completely different. He is literally required to stick by his written story.

 

I'm giving this advice from experience. The officer isn't changing his story, the courts are just downgrading the charge. If every person wanted a trial, the courts would be backed up for years! That's why if the person has a clean license and wasn't a d*ck towards the officer, they'll usually downgrade the charge. I can't say all states/courts operate this way; but most do.

[vbalouzian]

You guys are tough on Police. I got pulled over on a back road 2 months ago in the 04 Mustang GT and the officer said I was going 114 klm in an 80 klm zone. My tires had actually left the ground when I went over a bump in the road. He asked me for insurance, ownership etc. He said " Your tires came off the road" . I said Cool! I have never done that before! He gave me a funny look, went back to his car. About five minutes later he come back and says Do you know how fast you were going? I said no I don't. He says 114 in an 80. I said I am sorry, I'll try to slow down. He say's well I love Mustangs, you had your seatbelt on and you understand you were going too fast, so I'll let you go with a warning. I said thank you, I'll slow down.

I was very polite and he let me go. Had I been a jerk it might not of been a warning. :happy feet:

If they find a Radar detector on your car, they rip it out. Radar detectors are illegal in Ontario.

No detectors in Canada?

 

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

[Bill S in PA]

well it happened i got a speeding ticked clocked 75 in 55 with radar.

 

does anyone have ideas how to fight speeding tickets with radar.

 

open road no cars in front no cars in back.

Ther's some good web sites for fighting radar tickets. After my first ticket with my GT500 I had installed a K40 with a laser jammer. They pay all tickets for the 1st year. System is built-in using bluetooth, no wires,to be undetectable. System works good, ample warning time. For Laser detection, if your doing a 100 mph you have time to bring it down to 60 mph. I was using a Cobra when i got my ticket. Not enough warning (I was decelerating and got clocked at 81 mph). Check out the K40, its top of the line.

[Bill S in PA]

When I went thru the academy and we did traffic enforcement training we actually allowed family and friends to bring in their radar det. , laser jammers, etc. We then tested them all against different radar and lasers and nothing worked. They are all over priced gimmicks.

 

Radar det. will warn you when radar is being used in the area. Radar jammers do not exist! No manufacturer aside from the military would be allowed to produce something that travelled down U.S. highways jamming radars form Airports and Military Bases.

 

Laser det. will tell you when the laser hits your vehicle and its really just a warning that you just got nailed! Too late if your speeding. The officer had to aim the laser like a rifle at the front of your vehicle making him 100% that he has the right car. He does not have to pick which car out of a pack. Thats why officers are always standing outside their cars and shooting lasers.

 

A stealth black car with no reflective angles will make it difficult for the officer to bounce the laser off the front of your car. However the windshield will usually be the third item he shoots at, after the front plate or front grill. Even the shiny cobra can bounce a laser.

A laser Jammer will throw back an identical signal giving a no read to the laser gun. Works for instant-on laser guns. A good system does work. It's like anything else in life, if you try to get awat cheap, your buying a false sense of security. Good built-in systems are close to 2 grand, but they work tremendously well.

[Light66]

Ther's some good web sites for fighting radar tickets. After my first ticket with my GT500 I had installed a K40 with a laser jammer. They pay all tickets for the 1st year. System is built-in using bluetooth, no wires,to be undetectable. System works good, ample warning time. For Laser detection, if your doing a 100 mph you have time to bring it down to 60 mph. I was using a Cobra when i got my ticket. Not enough warning (I was decelerating and got clocked at 81 mph). Check out the K40, its top of the line.

 

I am assuming you installed a Blinder K40 with 4 transmitters / receivers? Can you send a photo of where you installed them? I am seriously considering the same and don't want to cut into the grill. Also, where did you install the hardware on your dash? Photos would be greatly appreciated.

[Superchief]

Ther's some good web sites for fighting radar tickets. After my first ticket with my GT500 I had installed a K40 with a laser jammer. They pay all tickets for the 1st year. System is built-in using bluetooth, no wires,to be undetectable. System works good, ample warning time. For Laser detection, if your doing a 100 mph you have time to bring it down to 60 mph. I was using a Cobra when i got my ticket. Not enough warning (I was decelerating and got clocked at 81 mph). Check out the K40, its top of the line.

 

K40 warning...I have one and I do not like several things about it... first you really do not know if it is on, becasue there is no power light. I have been driving around and press the remote for voice, and it says...K40 on. Next, there is no volume control... only high and low, and low is loud. I have put tape on the speaker. Regarding the good points, it is hidden and the lasar jammer really works, ... I have been attacked by lasar 6+ times and it seems to work each time. No tickets.

[Airborne4162]

A laser Jammer will throw back an identical signal giving a no read to the laser gun. Works for instant-on laser guns. A good system does work. It's like anything else in life, if you try to get awat cheap, your buying a false sense of security. Good built-in systems are close to 2 grand, but they work tremendously well.

The only radar I've seen work was on a General Dynamics Fighter Model 16, Block XYZ aircraft (aka. F-16, using an enhanced digital flight control computer and MLPRF) In short, many, many miles accurate and once locked on target....dead. I'd pay the ticket before the police move to the next step and begin pulling that trigger. Get it....trigger F-16, trigger, gun, they have guns with triggers. Okay...I thought it was funny.

 

Airborne

[mciarochi]

K40 warning...I have one and I do not like several things about it... first you really do not know if it is on, becasue there is no power light. I have been driving around and press the remote for voice, and it says...K40 on. Next, there is no volume control... only high and low, and low is loud. I have put tape on the speaker. Regarding the good points, it is hidden and the lasar jammer really works, ... I have been attacked by lasar 6+ times and it seems to work each time. No tickets.

 

Hmmm. First, Blinder does not make a "K" anything, unless it's Euro or something. The US versions are either M20, M25, M40, or M45. The "2" and "4" is how many detectors, the "5" is a new software rev.

 

There is no volume control at all, not high, not low, just loud. However, there IS a power light, on the switch, so you do know it is on.

 

Laser Blinder is the reputable version, the one that works. Reference Speed Labs, Radar Roy, and Laser Veil, as well as other sites.

 

Here are pictures. Unless you want them sticking out in front of God and everybody, you have to cut the grill. I just bought one (~$200) and hacked that up. I made my own mounts from 1/2" bar stock, drill, file, hacksaw, hammer and vise.

 

I also use Laser Veil, and both of these in addition to the Bel RX40 Radar. All parts cost about $900 (edit: plus the cost of the grill!). I did my own labor, I'd probably charge several hundred if I had a shop. You could do it cheaper, I'm sure

 

It works, anybody who tells you different simply doesn't know how to use them. These are WARNING devices, and give you time. They do not work if you are stupid, nor if the police officer is chasing you, or times you, or if they use VASCAR, or if you are clocked by air, or if you are driving recklessly.