Everything you ever wanted to know about orders

[MattInDetroit]

WELL MAYBE NOT EVERYTHING, BUT HERE IS A VERY DETAILED LISTING ABOUT THE ALLOCATION/ORDERING SYSTEM- ALBEIT FOR A TRUCK...

 

PASTING FROM :www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127481&highlight=priority+code

 

1. Order types

 

There are 3 basic order types, Stock, Retail, Fleet. There are others, but I'm not going to just use these 3. AXZD plan will fall under Retail in my description. The other types are Dealer Demo, drivers ed loan out and lease renewal order. Again I'm going to just use the 3 as the others basically fall under those 3 also.

 

Stock- Unsold orders for dealer inventory. Order type 2

 

Retail- Sold orders, have a customer name assigned to them in the system. These also have price protection in case of an increase. Stock units don't. Its an order type 1 in the system (or A, X, K for the weird order types)

 

Fleet- Sold orders for companies with a valid Fleet ID. (a fleet ID requires 15 units in service). This order type schedules differently and also gets different pricing. Rebates don't apply to fleets (but they do have a "Retail greater than Fleet" discount if rebates are bigger than fleet discounts. They also don't pay the FDAF fees and other things. Orders are scheduled out of a fleet pool and not the dealers allocation, but more on that later. This is an order type 0.

 

Next on an order is an order number. This doesn't mean much its just a way of tracking. Its a 4 digit number (or letters) and is assigned by the dealer. I use the order date for mine. This is one of the 3 items you need to check the status of an order.

 

Body type- This just tells what the truck is, for example a X14 is a Supercab 4x4 styleside. The first letter is the cab style (F=Regular cab, X= Supercab, W=Crewcab) The second digit tells more. On the New F-150 a 0 is a flareside, 1 is a styleside (2 is a F-250, 3 F-350, etc). The 3rd digit tells whether 2 or 4 wheel drive (on New F-150 2 is 2wd, 4 is 4x4, old style was 7 and 8). This explanation applies to F-Series trucks, cars can be different. This item is also needed to check an order.

 

Dealer code- This is also on the order and is needed to check the status of an order (with Ford, dealer only gets listing of his units). This is a set of 2 numbers, a letter, and 3 more numbers. The first two correspond to the region, letter tells the zone in that region, and last 3 identify the dealer. Mine is 53W544 (53=KC region, Zone W, dealer 544). This is the 3rd thing needed to check the status of an order. All 3 are listed together on a DORA on the Upper portion far right a few blank lines below the priority code.

 

A DORA is a Dealer Order Recipt Acknowledgement. Its a printout we get back from Ford after ordering. Usually comes next buisness day. You should get one from your dealer after ordering. Its a good way to verify what's ordered is what you want.

 

2. Priority Codes. This is listed on the far right upper portion of a DORA. Its also on the dealers print outs of order status. This only applies until a unit is scheduled. Once assigned a VIN this doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The codes start at 1 and run to 99. A dealer can only assign between 10 and 99. A 99 order can't be scheduled. I use these for people that tell me to get them a unit on date (later than normal orders take). I put in a 99'd order so I have what they wanted in the system and don't forget about it and then change it to a buildable priority when time comes they're ready for the truck. The region (or other Ford divisions) can prioritize below 10, I've only seen a 01 priority below 10. They do this in the event of something unusual, most orders never see a priority 01. An example is if they're manually scheduling (like the First F-150 for each dealer, or first year T Birds) or if its something that needs to be urgent (first order destroyed in shipping, etc). Again I normally only see this a few times a year. Also if you do get a priority 01, things usually get scheduled fast even if you have some hard to get commodities (but not hold items). More on commodities later. I believe that the under 10 prioritys go first through the allocation system.

 

Other priorities are to organize what order the dealer wants the trucks in. These only affect that dealer and have no bearing on other dealers. If a dealer only uses 50 or higher, another dealer that starts at 10 won't get his trucks any sooner. This system is to organize the order so they are "in a row" for scheduling. That way in the first pass of scheduling they only look at 1 truck per dealer, then on second pass look at 2nd one. Regardless of what the number actually is. If 50's the lowest at dealer a and 10's my lowest, they are both in the first pass, and are equal to each other.

 

More than one order can have the same priority. If this happens they system looks at order types and then order date. Retails take priority over stock and oldest takes priority. For example:

 

order 1234 Retail order date 9/3/03

order 4321 Retail order date 5/5/03

order 5555 Stock order date 4/4/03

 

The Retail orders take priority. and then oldest order comes first. So the system would look at these in this order:

Order 4321 because its the oldest retail at this priority

order 1234 2nd as its a retail

order 5555 being a stock order its 2nd despite order date.

 

Also Priority can override stock, retail or order date. If a retail is priority 20 and a stock is 19, the stock tries to schedule first, the retail and date thing only applies to orders with the same priority number.

 

So the big thing I want everyone to know is don't get too worried if your not a priority 01 as this is very rare, also don't worry if your not at priority 10, I start my retail orders at 20 so I've got some room if something comes up that I need to prioritize under my current orders I can.

 

On Fleet orders, none of this priority stuff applies. The priority codes are to control build date and are a letter and a number that correspond to a build month and week. This isn't to get stuff quicker but actually slower. Often fleets will order in January and not want the units for a few months. I can order so it can't be built until later so it will arrive in time but not overly early. Fleet units don't compete with retail or stock at all for scheduling as fleet comes out of their own pool and not from a dealers allocation.

 

3. Allocation- Now that we've got orders in the bank they have to be Scheduled, oh getting ahead of my self, I better list some terms that apply to order status. These are on the dealer printouts so if you see these you'll know what they mean.

 

Material HOLD - unit can't schedule something is not available. for example, my Harley F-250 is in this status as production doesn't start until 11/3/03

 

unscheduled/clean- unit isn't scheduled (no VIN, no date, no guarantee to build), but is a buildable order once allocation and commodities allow.

 

Submitted to plant- Unit assigned a VIN and assy plant, plant is assigning build date.

 

Scheduled- has a build date and a vin

 

Locked in- Changes can no longer be made to this order, unit is either close to being built, or at the end of the year they lock in orders early so they don't have left over parts between model years.

 

Bucked- Unit is close to production, its my understanding that this mean the frame is on a Buck thats used to roll it down the line.

 

Produced- Unit is built

 

Released from plant- Unit is built and through inspection, available to ship. May also say Rel to Rail, or rel to convoy depending on location

 

ttgxx7837934- or some weird number like this means its on a rail car and thats the number.

 

Arrived at ramp XX- has arrived at the rail head and been unloaded, the XX is a usually a number and letter. Mine go to 6P (Kansas City) or 4T (Joliet, IL)

 

Ok, now that we've got some terminology lets talk allocation. Allocation determines who gets the units for that build week. The way allocation is split is based on Sales and availability. They don't count equally, I think sales factor 60% and availability 40%. The region like to call it turn and earn. The more you sell and fewer you have, the more you get. So if you've got lots of units on the ground and haven't been selling them, you won't get many new allocations. If you have none because you sold them all you should get a good number allocated.

 

This information doesn't help a customer much as you really can't tell what dealers will get allocation. Larger dealers will get more allocation, but will have more orders also so doesn't mean faster scheduling. Generally most dealer are in similar situations and wait times will be similar. There are exceptions to this, for example 1999 Super Duty's were hard to get, but we had plenty of them as in a rural community we've always sold lots of HD trucks and the sales history helped us and hurt the city dealers that were selling them because they were "hot", this will hurt us the other way when the 05 Mustang comes out as I don't sell many normally I'll have a harder time getting them. Now this system ends up with leftovers as it doesn't end up with every dealer earning exact allocation and its hard to schedule .44 of a truck, so the leftovers are used to get allocation to dealers that have retail orders and didn't earn (or earn enough) allocation to schedule them.

 

Select and Contact dealers. There are 2 classifications of dealers Select (smaller dealers) and Contact (large dealers), for scheduling there are sometimes some differences. Right now on F-150 both work in the same allocation system, but on most other models (and F-150 starting in aprox December) the select dealers won't have to get allocation, they get every order they place automatically. So on most models, the smaller dealer will be able to get them quickly.

 

Fleet- Fleet doesn't go though the allocation system. Fleet gets a percentage of the weeks production and schedules by order date so this eliminates any time differences between dealers and also allows them to sell to fleets without using a allocation that should go to a normal customer. Fleet unit sales don't count to earn allocation either.

 

4. Commodities- We usually get a list of controlled commodities on Wednesday these are the items that are not available (not Material hold, just overscheduled from past or supply issues, short term shortage, Material hold items Can't schedule, IE DVD is currently Material hold) and items that aren't going to be "Free demand". Free demand items are ones that you can get as many as you want, supply outdoes demand. Other items may have a restriction. Currently two-tone paint is a commodity. For example let me give a list of controls (not actual amounts, just for example based on things I've seen in the last few weeks.

 

Two tone paint (supercab/Regular cab) 30%

two tone paint (SuperCrew) 18%

total SuperCrew 35%

5.4L V-8 80%

 

 

Other items can also control, this is just an example (and items that I've seen on control already for the 04's). What this means is the % of the trucks scheduled that can have this option. That isn't an individual dealer thing, but all dealers in the region (controls are often regional, but usually most regions are the same). That means that if 1 dealer doesn't use his share another may get a higher percentage, or if another doesn't prioritize right, he may miss all the controls and get the free demand items only.

 

Now were ready to go to the complicated part, Scheduling.

 

5. Scheduling. Scheduling usually happens Thursday night (allocation happens Wed night and we get the results sometime Thursday). Basically its all done by computer (unless something like a priority 01 may be manually scheduled first to make sure it gets scheduled). It lines all the dealers (that have allocation) in some sort of random order. If there are no commodities, this is easy, first dealers unit scheduled, second dealers, third dealers, etc, Once all dealers first allocation has been scheduled they go to the next round and do the same for the dealers that have a second allocation, once everyone second is done they go those with a 3rd and so on. Now that's in a perfect world where there aren't any commodities.

 

Here in the real world it works a little different. Commodities screw this all up. Right now most vehicles only have 1 or two commodities so its not as big of deal. At times there might be 10 different commodities that are all separate and different and can make things difficult.

 

If when scheduling gets to a dealers allocation, and his order has a commodity that has already run out, they skip him for that pass. He doesn't loose his allocation, it gets used in the next pass, but it can cost him in other commodities. Let me do an example. This is PURELY SAMPLE, not actual numbers.

 

Lets say Super Duty F-Series commodities

 

5% Crew Cab

30% Two tone

50% Power Stroke

25% V-10

 

now we're going to use Dealer A and dealer B. Lets say they both got 3 allocations.

 

Dealer A

F-250 V-10 Supercab with 2 tone priority 20

F-350 V-10 Regular cab with 2 tone priority 25

F-250 PowerStroke priority 30

 

Dealer B

F-250 V-10 Crew Cab priority 10

F-250 V-10 Crew Cab priorty 11

F-250 Supecab Two tone V-10 Priority 12

F-250 Regular cab PowerStroke priorty 13

F-250 Sueprcab 5.4L priority 17

F250 Regular cab 5.4L priority 18

F350 supercab 5.4L priority 20

 

OK now to schedule. Lets say dealer A is toward the beginning of scheduling and dealer B is at the end (supposed to be a random order, but someone has to be first and someone last, but the dealer has no say in this).

 

1. System looks at dealer a's first order, Commodities still available so it gets scheduled.

2. System gets do dealer b's first order and is out of Crew cabs before it gets there so dealer b doesn't get a unit scheduled

 

3. Dealer A's up again and gets his second scheduled a both are available.

4. Dealer B's second order is a crew cab again so nothing schedules again this pass

 

5. Dealer A's 3rd order is still OK so it also gets scheduled and uses up his final allocation.

6. Dealer B's 3rd order isn't a Crew cab, but after 2 and 1/2 passes 2 tone is exhausted so again nothing scheduled.

 

7. Dealer B's Power Stroke order doesn't schedule as they are used up in previous passes so he has yet to have a unit schedule.

8. Dealer B gets the next three units scheduled in the next three passes as the commodities ordered are still available (in this example).

 

So when its said and done Dealer A got 2 V-10's 1 Power Stroke, and 2 two tone orders where dealer B got nothing off of the control list. He gets his three units that he was allocated, but doesn't get any of the hard to get stuff due to the way his order bank was prioritized. This is why a dealer would want to put some of the moderately difficult items in the middle instead of all the hardest to get stuff at the first priority. If I had set up my order bank (in this example) I would have had a crew cab 1st and some a two tone second.

 

This example was a little extreme, but it shows how the system works.

 

This info doesn't really help you as a customer as there isn't much you can do to affect this, but I thought people would find it interesting on how the system works. With current commodities, there isn't a lot of risk because after the only major commodities (not holds) are two tone and SuperCrew so after they run out you can still get some decent vehicles. But in years passed, they tried to stick dealers with some stuff that wasn't worth ordering. If you don't want something you can pass on your allocation, but many dealers will take slow moving trucks instead of passing on allocation. This can hurt worse thought as now the system shows you with that truck in inventory so it can cost you future allocation (remember the turn and earn system). Sometimes vehicles are excluded to get dealers to take them. In years passed, V-6 F-150's were excluded and 6 speed diesels didn't count against you.

 

6. Other

 

Now that your unit is scheduled, here are some other points of interest.

 

Once scheduled some changes can be made. If an item is a commodity, it probably can't be added, but can be removed. Trim level (XLT, Lariat, etc) can't be change nor can body style (4x4, 4x2, Crew cab, Reg cab, etc). But color and options can be modified unitl the truck is locked in for production. If the change takes, you'll get a new DORA the next day. If not nothing happens.

 

After Locked in status the truck gets "Bucked" and will be produced very soon.

 

Next step is Produced. This means the truck is built but hasn't left the plant yet.

 

Rel from plant is next, self explanatory

 

Then things change based on your location. It may be REL to convoy (truck), Rel to Rail (train) or it may have a long number like ttx198345, that is the rail car the truck is loaded on. There may be a space and then a 2 digit number after this. Thats the Ramp (rail yard where loaded and unloaded) where the train is at.

 

Arrived at ramp XX (the XX is a 2 digit number) this is again the place where loaded and unload, unfortunately I don't have a list of them. This means the truck has been unloaded from the train and is waiting truck shipment.

 

Next step truck arrives at dealer!

[stump_breaker]

so ummmmm, did you type all that or copy and paste? :blink:

 

 

I'm surprised a car/truck ever makes it to the public! :D

[jfachner72]

It is posts like this that make my job as hard as it is.

 

This kind of information gets into the end users hand and next thing you know he is spouting off about how his unit should have been allocated and not the other guys.

 

FROM THE FMCDEALER WEBSITE: "INFORMATION IS FOR DEALER USE ONLY AND NOT TO BE DISTRIBUTED"

 

There are things in every business that is meant to be private and this is one of them. None of the information above can help a customer, all it can and will do is upset the salesman that he is dealing with.

 

With that being said..... To all the waiting customers please be nice to your dealer, he has no more control over when your car will get here than you do.....

 

Jason P Fachner

Tower Ford inc

[jfachner72]

No one said that being lied to was ok..... But having this information WILL NOT! help you.

There is no way for the public to know who has what allocation nor is there any way for the dealer to show the customer that he has allocation.

 

If you really want to know, make a friend and rely on him for information.

 

J

[MattInDetroit]

It is posts like this that make my job as hard as it is.

 

This kind of information gets into the end users hand and next thing you know he is spouting off about how his unit should have been allocated and not the other guys.

 

FROM THE FMCDEALER WEBSITE: "INFORMATION IS FOR DEALER USE ONLY AND NOT TO BE DISTRIBUTED"

 

There are things in every business that is meant to be private and this is one of them. None of the information above can help a customer, all it can and will do is upset the salesman that he is dealing with.

 

With that being said..... To all the waiting customers please be nice to your dealer, he has no more control over when your car will get here than you do.....

 

Jason P Fachner

Tower Ford inc

 

 

Thanks for your help as always Jason! This, as I said above, is a paste from another forum posted by another person. I suggest you take your issue there.

 

I want to be VERY clear here.

 

Are you claiming dealers are not taking people's deposit money without allocation stringing them along for months while their opportunity passes by? How do you explain an order placed in January that still sits "UNSCHEDULED/CLEAN" Jason?

 

Meanwhile the poor customer's chances are slowing ticking away as the order books close told over and over that the car will go any day now. These are the same games you guys played in 05 when the Mustang first came out. I saw it then with my 05 and it frustrates me no end to see it happening all over again.

 

Like you've never heard of an order that a dealer claimed was "mysteriously" canceled only to find, by searching the VIN in the TPS system at AAI (which dealers don't have access to), it was built and shipped, no doubt sold to someone else.

 

What makes your job harder Jason is ridiculous ADM, poor customer service, lack of product knowledge, and the allocation shell games I see. Dealers selling cars on ebay they don't even have and wasting allocation on cars that are poorly optioned just to make a fast buck.

 

Focus your attention there and understand an informed buyer can be your best friend when dealt with honestly and with mutual respect. This is a once and a lifetime dream for some people and too many dealers treat it like its a guy buying a Focus, your customers deserve more.

 

 

Good luck

[jfachner72]

Thanks for your help as always Jason! This, as I said above, is a paste from another forum posted by another person. I suggest you take your issue there.

 

I want to be VERY clear here.

 

Are you claiming dealers are not taking people's deposit money without allocation stringing them along for months while their opportunity passes by? How do you explain an order placed in January that still sits "UNSCHEDULED/CLEAN" Jason?

 

Meanwhile the poor customer's chances are slowing ticking away as the order books close told over and over that the car will go any day now. These are the same games you guys played in 05 when the Mustang first came out. I saw it then with my 05 and it frustrates me no end to see it happening all over again.

 

Like you've never heard of an order that a dealer claimed was "mysteriously" canceled only to find, by searching the VIN in the TPS system at AAI (which dealers don't have access to), it was built and shipped, no doubt sold to someone else.

 

What makes your job harder Jason is ridiculous ADM, poor customer service, lack of product knowledge, and the allocation shell games I see. Dealers selling cars on ebay they don't even have and wasting allocation on cars that are poorly optioned just to make a fast buck.

 

Focus your attention there and understand an informed buyer can be your best friend when dealt with honestly and with mutual respect. This is a once and a lifetime dream for some people and too many dealers treat it like its a guy buying a Focus, your customers deserve more.

Good luck

 

 

 

We are a 4 time Presidents Award Winner. We sell our S-GT's for way UNDER sticker and I personally have never lied to a customer about allocation.

 

You are correct that there are many things that make my job harder. But giving information out like what was posted above is not going to help anything and that was my whole point in posting to begin with. There are many unscrupulous dealers out there and in many states there are almost no laws to protect the consumer. (I am in NY)

 

I am not trying to say that dealers dont take peoples money and never provide them a car, we all know it happens (all too often). But the people who let themselvs get taken are to blame as well... If a deal looks too good to be true thats because it is!!!! I had CSM # 0022 on e-bay for 2 weeks and it went unsold with no bids. What I did get was about 50-75 phone calls from people disputing both the cars and my own validity, I was accused of making it myself , and also told that "I checked with SAI and its not real".... I was forced to laugh at most of these people and when I asked them where they got their information from the answer was always the same: MY LOCAL DEALER TOLD ME!

 

So let me get this straight I have CSM # 0022 on E-bay for $39,000 and your local dealer who is thousands over sticker price told you to place the order with him because my car is FAKE. So what do?, you do you call me and accuse me of having a FAKE car and then place the order with your LOCAL DEALER who does not have allocation for $3000-5000 over sticker price. 2 months later when you never get your car you are pissed and you complain to everyone about how Ford sucks and all dealers are bad and you were ripped off.

 

MY RESPONSE: Its your own fault! You had the chance to buy a car but you believed what you were told and you got taken! I am truly sorry but you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

Having said all of that,

 

I have 2 more S-GT's comming one black and one white both cars are at SAI right now. If anyone wants them call me @ 516-466-6400

 

Thanks

Jason

[MattInDetroit]

We are a 4 time Presidents Award Winner. We sell our S-GT's for way UNDER sticker and I personally have never lied to a customer about allocation.

 

I am not trying to say that dealers dont take peoples money and never provide them a car, we all know it happens (all too often). But the people who let themselvs get taken are to blame as well... If a deal looks too good to be true thats because it is!!!! I had CSM # 0022 on e-bay for 2 weeks and it went unsold with no bids. What I did get was about 50-75 phone calls from people disputing both the cars and my own validity, I was accused of making it myself , and also told that "I checked with SAI and its not real".... I was forced to laugh at most of these people and when I asked them where they got their information from the answer was always the same: MY LOCAL DEALER TOLD ME!

 

I have 2 more S-GT's comming one black and one white both cars are at SAI right now. If anyone wants them call me @ 516-466-6400

 

Thanks

Jason

 

 

I'm not sure why you took my post as a personal attack. I never said you were dishonest and I'm happy to hear they way you've been operating. My point was only that I see people here being lied to and it's frustrating and it should be to you as well, because it does make your job harder.

 

The way people don't get taken advantage of is by equalling out the odds with the house (dealer) through knowledge. Dealers think they can double talk and the customer is no wiser. I know from my own experience that you start talking allocation, commodities, priority codes, CONCEPS, OASIS, "Clean/Unscheduled", DORA, etc., and you see a BIG difference in the salesman's BS factor. They have to figure you know someone or something and they begin to choose their words VERY carefully.

 

Having said that....let's have some more "Ford Dealer Only" fun!

 

If you want to check your order...call the Evil Robot Lady at: 1-800-962-3746 just put in your dealer code, model year, body type, and order number that you get off of the VOC or DORA and it tells you all you need to know! Including the order dosn't exist.

 

BTW: Got this off a number of other public forums as well!

 

[jfachner72]

The dealers that rip customers are far out weighed by the honest hard working ones.

 

"LET THE BUYER BEWARE"

 

 

Lets not talk about what industry does more ripping off of customers.

 

Jewelry 1000% mark up no quality control

Furniture 400% mark up again no quality control

Housing market No rules at all get all you can

 

Lets see someone try to complain that they were over charged on their new couch

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

It would never happen.

 

I am not trying to make light of the situation but I also refuse to let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch.

[riharely]

 

FROM THE FMCDEALER WEBSITE: "INFORMATION IS FOR DEALER USE ONLY AND NOT TO BE DISTRIBUTED"

 

There are things in every business that is meant to be private and this is one of them. None of the information above can help a customer, all it can and will do is upset the salesman that he is dealing with.

 

Jason:

 

I strongly beg to differ.

 

I found the same information months ago online and understanding the ordering process is EXACTLY what lead me to getting a Shelby GT in a timely manner and at MSRP.

The information allowed me to ask the correct questions and with the appropriate answers, I based my decisions upon who to give my hard earned money. After all, it our money to spend not the dealer's to hold in case he gets a car for us. When I got the right answer, I went forward wit the purchase. Wrong answers meant I kept looking.

 

Frankly, if the dealer is at a disadvantage because I understand his business, then tough luck and welcome to the world of the internet. Information is power in negotiating a limited commodity such as a Shelby.

 

God forbid, a buyer may be educated as a salesperson! Had I gone with blind faith in the FORD salespeople I met along the way, I would still have a deposit on a "clean and unscheduled" car that the dealer didn't have an allocation on. the information saved me lots of aggravation and ultimately got me my Shelby # 659.

 

I followed my car throughout the process with the Evil Robot Lady phone number and found that my dealer was happy when I called to inform him where the car was and they were more than happy to sell it to me while the car was still in Las Vegas and they had already received the paperwork.

[jfachner72]

"MY RESPONSE: Its your own fault! You had the chance to buy a car but you believed what you were told and you got taken! I am truly sorry but you have no one to blame but yourself."

 

How ridiculous is this? "You believed what you were told and you got taken"......by a dealer! So now another dealer is clamouring to make us believe that HE is the ONE that is NOT LYING. You guys crack me up.

How about its really all YOUR FAULT. AND THE OTHER DEALERS THAT MAKE UP YOUR INDUSTRY that make it impossible to believe any of you. Whenever we speak to you initially, you all try to make us believe its always THE OTHER GUY who is ripping off customers, but never you. Funny how that works.

 

 

 

So because one dealer lies that means all dealer lie? Thats what you just said? That is one of the stupidest remarks I have heard in 15 years with FORD!

 

I guess all Lawyers are liers?

Everyone in politics?

Most uniformed officials?

Car dealers?

My parents?

All Newscasters?

Everyone on an infomercial?

 

You can not make a broad spectrum response like that. There are some good dealers and some bad ones.

But rather than go to a dealership talking about "I KNOW HOW YOUR CARS ARE ALLOCATED" bla bla bla

wouldnt it make more sense to check if they are Presidents Award Winners, Check with the State AG or BBB for complaints, Ask to see their QCP ratings, Talk to friends or just approach someone walking out of there or someone in a parking lot with their plate frame on the car.

 

This is stuff that is tangible stuff that you can see and touch. Allocation is a bunch of BS I have 3 S-GT's and all of them are STICK SHIFTS acording to "ALLOCATION" that is not possible..........

Allocation is a guideline and can be be changed around for a number of reasons.

 

The initial post forgot to mention about the over and above cars for volume, boc, and or other qualifiers.

 

I dont want to get into a pissing match with everyone here I just want to sell cars fairly and cheap. But I will not stand here and be grouped in with all the low lifes that are out there selling the same product.

 

 

Still got 2 S-GT's left WAY UNDER STICKER

 

 

Jason

[MattInDetroit]

So because one dealer lies that means all dealer lie? Thats what you just said? That is one of the stupidest remarks I have heard in 15 years with FORD!

 

I dont want to get into a pissing match with everyone here I just want to sell cars fairly and cheap. But I will not stand here and be grouped in with all the low lifes that are out there selling the same product.

Still got 2 S-GT's left WAY UNDER STICKER

Jason

 

 

No one has grouped you with anyone. What you're not understanding is the frustration, now directed at you (fair or unfair), because it could be seen that you are defending these 'low lifes".

 

Stay the high ground and simply say:

 

"If anyone feels they're not getting a fair shake, or unable to locate the car they want at a price they can afford, I have two SGTs that I am willing to sell under sticker"

 

enough said...

[oilman]

Jason, are any of your cars "automatic", and what part of NY are you in?

[MattInDetroit]

Still got 2 S-GT's l

 

 

BTW:

 

Jason can you post the specs of these cars? Options?

 

Thanks!

[jfachner72]

DONT PAY RETAIL!

 

Car # 1 Vin # 1ZVHT82H475310206

White w/Dk Charcoal Int

5 Speed Man

Int upgrade Pkg

Active anti theft

Wheel Locks

Sirius w/6 free mos

GT Upfitters Pkg

MSRP $39,180

 

Car # 2 Vin # 1ZVHT82H475317463

Black w/dk charcoal

5 Speed manual

Int upgrade pkg

Active anti theft

Wheel locks

Sirius w/6 free mos

GT Upfitters Pkg

Shaker 1000

MSRP $40,475

 

Dont pay to ship pick up at SAI for $500

 

Both for sale $ under sticker call me

 

 

Jason P Fachner

Tower Ford Inc

516-466-6400

 

DONT PAY RETAIL!

[oilman]

Thanks Jason from Tower Ford, I'm looking for an auto, already have (2) sticks. If you come across an auto, let me know, I'm in NY.

[hotwheels]

Great post, thanks for sharing..........very informative

[hotwheels]

here is a bit more info if you feel like reading about dealership 4 blocks.....

 

http://www.insanemustangs.com/forums/showt...46768#post46768

 

and you don't have to be a member to read this...

[The Sheriff]

Jason, are any of your cars "automatic", and what part of NY are you in?

 

Oilman,

 

Check the new topic "Shelby GT's For Sale or Wanted that I started. There is a white automatic for sale in exactly the area where you live. Good Luck.

 

Ron

[TX Shelby_merged]

Wow...amazing info I want to thank both Matt for posting the info...this will help me show my father

how a lot of this ordering works..he ordered a F-250 on 2/12/07 and will be built on 4/09/07 which

I had to go and call the dealer at least 4 times to get a straight answer.

and thanks to Jason...I wish i hadn't ordered a Auto SGT built 3/26/07 i would have ordered a stick

from you which is what I wanted in the first place...this is a great forum, Jason stick around you have

provided a lot of useful info and i for one appreicate that.