Instant collectable?

[Guest evilchris]

That's exactly one of my points. There are a lot of people with a lot of extra cash who will not doubt buy up all of these cars. I know that 2007 is sold out. I was told that most of the 2008's are going overseas. Actually, I was told that 5k of them are going overseas with confirmed orders. That blew me a way when I heard that, but I guess when I think about it....it makes sense. American Muscle Cars are loved throughout the world. With only say 8k of them getting made, you have to know that they will be scattered across the globe.

 

2007 is not sold out. Cars are available for purchase everywhere.

 

Everything you have been told is BS and has no basis in reality. "Confirmed orders" lol!

[KCMO-GT500]

2007 is not sold out. Cars are available for purchase everywhere.

 

Everything you have been told is BS and has no basis in reality. "Confirmed orders" lol!

 

 

the 2007 shelby is probably sold out as far as the factory is concerned, but that only gets them to the dealers' lots. I think there are still a lot of shelbies that dealers do not have a contract on. They are probably hoping the market goes well and they can make a lot of money, but who knows, they may get stuck and some buyers may get some very good deals.

 

as far as 08 shelbies, it is a stretch for someone to say that a huge portion of them are going overseas. These cars are going, for the most part, to USA and Canadian dealers, and none of us have heard anything about a concerted effort to get these dealers to sell to overseas buyers. For many reasons, I just cannot imagine that most dealers would feel comfortable with overseas sales.

 

Hang in there, and a shelby is most likely in your future. the waiting is a bitch tho

[Guest evilchris]

the 2007 shelby is probably sold out as far as the factory is concerned, but that only gets them to the dealers' lots. I think there are still a lot of shelbies that dealers do not have a contract on. They are probably hoping the market goes well and they can make a lot of money, but who knows, they may get stuck and some buyers may get some very good deals.

 

as far as 08 shelbies, it is a stretch for someone to say that a huge portion of them are going overseas. These cars are going, for the most part, to USA and Canadian dealers, and none of us have heard anything about a concerted effort to get these dealers to sell to overseas buyers. For many reasons, I just cannot imagine that most dealers would feel comfortable with overseas sales.

 

Hang in there, and a shelby is most likely in your future. the waiting is a bitch tho

 

You might as well say every car Ford makes is sold out then as far as the factory is concerned as all cars built will make it to dealers.

 

What relevance would it be if I said " F150, sold out ". " Oh I mean from Ford to the dealers ".

 

See?

[KCMO-GT500]

You might as well say every car Ford makes is sold out then as far as the factory is concerned as all cars built will make it to dealers.

 

What relevance would it be if I said " F150, sold out ". " Oh I mean from Ford to the dealers ".

 

See?

 

 

 

well, whoever made the statement probably justified it in their mind in some fashion, because there is limited production, and the dealers have entered orders for at least the production max. Don't think you can say that for most cars this early in the model year. Regardless, it was definitely a disingenuous statement in an effort to mislead and overcharge.

[68fastback]

well, whoever made the statement probably justified it in their mind in some fashion, because there is limited production, and the dealers have entered orders for at least the production max. Don't think you can say that for most cars this early in the model year. Regardless, it was definitely a disingenuous statement in an effort to mislead and overcharge.

 

 

I'm guessing somewhat on this, but I strongly suspect that for the GT500 all rounds of allocation to dealers may already be assigned (completely unrelated to customer sales), but beyond the rounds of allocation, qualified dealers will get GT500s in proportion to their overall Mustang commitments and they know the formula -- at least that's my understanding of how share-of-nation will be spread. So big dealers will get a bunch of them later on because they committed to a bunch of Stangs (at least 39/100ths of which will be V6s, and of which a max of 51/100ths of which will be GTs, and 10% of which will be GT500s). In fact, I would bet that a dealer who signed up for GT500 sales (PA, SVT, cert, etc) will get their GT500 share-of-nation whether or not they want them, even in the unlikely event a new model (e.g.Boss) or attractive competitive offerings (e.g. Camaro, Challenger) were to drive GT500 pricing to the point of factory rebates and sub invoice pricing. And you can bet that every GT500 will be made that is necessary to fully consume contract hard parts from suppliers to the extent that Ford doesn't have a more profitable follow-on offering it can redirect those parts to within the supplier contract period (no way in hell Ford will store paid-for parts). I'm not meaning to imply that's what's likely to happen, just that it is what will happen from Ford given a certain set of valid assumptions -- and they'll get those quantities whether it's cause for high-ADM jubilation or F150-sub-invoice-incentive[less]-gnashing-of-teeth, or anywhere in between, just like every other product covered by their franchise agreement. My point is merely that this is a two way street that, unfortunately, we are presently on the ADM side of as early-buyers of a highly desireable car. Be patient and the flow of traffic will almost cetainly, and possibly rather dramatically, shift. Realize that if there were some way dealers could prevent/control that cycle they would do it and Ford would be stuck with the leftovers -- there's a zero chance of that happening, even if that means a dealer has to wholsale-out leftover stock of some models to cut his carrying losses and make room for the next vehicle cycle shipments staring him/her in the face. I'm sure someone like Five Oh B can tell us real and true woe-is-me stories that keep some dealership owners up at night, they're just stories few here would want to hear. And please don't think I'm fending for dealers who lie and reneg, that's a different reprehensible animal altogether and a discussion that I'm cerainly not interested in reopening. Just wanted to try to bring a life-cycle perspective to the above discussions while we're in our varying PSDS tremors ;-)

[lawdude]

I'm guessing somewhat on this, but I strongly suspect that for the GT500 all rounds of allocation to dealers may already be assigned (completely unrelated to customer sales), but beyond the rounds of allocation, qualified dealers will get GT500s in proportion to their overall Mustang commitments and they know the formula -- at least that's my understanding of how share-of-nation will be spread. So big dealers will get a bunch of them later on because they committed to a bunch of Stangs (at least 39/100ths of which will be V6s, and of which a max of 51/100ths of which will be GTs, and 10% of which will be GT500s). In fact, I would bet that a dealer who signed up for GT500 sales (PA, SVT, cert, etc) will get their GT500 share-of-nation whether or not they want them, even in the unlikely event a new model (e.g.Boss) or attractive competitive offerings (e.g. Camaro, Challenger) were to drive GT500 pricing to the point of factory rebates and sub invoice pricing. And you can bet that every GT500 will be made that is necessary to fully consume contract hard parts from suppliers to the extent that Ford doesn't have a more profitable follow-on offering it can redirect those parts to within the supplier contract period (no way in hell Ford will store paid-for parts). I'm not meaning to imply that's what's likely to happen, just that it is what will happen from Ford given a certain set of valid assumptions -- and they'll get those quantities whether it's cause for high-ADM jubilation or F150-sub-invoice-incentive[less]-gnashing-of-teeth, or anywhere in between, just like every other product covered by their franchise agreement. My point is merely that this is a two way street that, unfortunately, we are presently on the ADM side of as early-buyers of a highly desireable car. Be patient and the flow of traffic will almost cetainly, and possibly rather dramatically, shift. Realize that if there were some way dealers could prevent/control that cycle they would do it and Ford would be stuck with the leftovers -- there's a zero chance of that happening, even if that means a dealer has to wholsale-out leftover stock of some models to cut his carrying losses and make room for the next vehicle cycle shipments staring him/her in the face. I'm sure someone like Five Oh B can tell us real and true woe-is-me stories that keep some dealership owners up at night, they're just stories few here would want to hear. And please don't think I'm fending for dealers who lie and reneg, that's a different reprehensible animal altogether and a discussion that I'm cerainly not interested in reopening. Just wanted to try to bring a life-cycle perspective to the above discussions while we're in our varying PSDS tremors ;-)

 

 

Would be easier to read if you edited some paragraphs in here - just a suggestion.

[68fastback]

Would be easier to read if you edited some paragraphs in here - just a suggestion.

 

 

Good point, lawdude.

 

I'll try.

 

Next time ;-)

[lawdude]

I'm guessing somewhat on this, but I strongly suspect that for the GT500 all rounds of allocation to dealers may already be assigned (completely unrelated to customer sales), but beyond the rounds of allocation, qualified dealers will get GT500s in proportion to their overall Mustang commitments and they know the formula -- at least that's my understanding of how share-of-nation will be spread.

 

So big dealers will get a bunch of them later on because they committed to a bunch of Stangs (at least 39/100ths of which will be V6s, and of which a max of 51/100ths of which will be GTs, and 10% of which will be GT500s). In fact, I would bet that a dealer who signed up for GT500 sales (PA, SVT, cert, etc) will get their GT500 share-of-nation whether or not they want them, even in the unlikely event a new model (e.g.Boss) or attractive competitive offerings (e.g. Camaro, Challenger) were to drive GT500 pricing to the point of factory rebates and sub invoice pricing.

 

And you can bet that every GT500 will be made that is necessary to fully consume contract hard parts from suppliers to the extent that Ford doesn't have a more profitable follow-on offering it can redirect those parts to within the supplier contract period (no way in hell Ford will store paid-for parts). I'm not meaning to imply that's what's likely to happen, just that it is what will happen from Ford given a certain set of valid assumptions -- and they'll get those quantities whether it's cause for high-ADM jubilation or F150-sub-invoice-incentive[less]-gnashing-of-teeth, or anywhere in between, just like every other product covered by their franchise agreement.

 

My point is merely that this is a two way street that, unfortunately, we are presently on the ADM side of as early-buyers of a highly desireable car. Be patient and the flow of traffic will almost cetainly, and possibly rather dramatically, shift. Realize that if there were some way dealers could prevent/control that cycle they would do it and Ford would be stuck with the leftovers -- there's a zero chance of that happening, even if that means a dealer has to wholsale-out leftover stock of some models to cut his carrying losses and make room for the next vehicle cycle shipments staring him/her in the face.

 

I'm sure someone like Five Oh B can tell us real and true woe-is-me stories that keep some dealership owners up at night, they're just stories few here would want to hear.

 

And please don't think I'm fending for dealers who lie and reneg, that's a different reprehensible animal altogether and a discussion that I'm cerainly not interested in reopening. Just wanted to try to bring a life-cycle perspective to the above discussions while we're in our varying PSDS tremors ;-)

 

 

Ok.

[68fastback]

Ok.

 

 

Thanks, lawdude, that looks much better!

 

btw, did you get your Beemer yet?

 

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[lawdude]

Thanks, lawdude, that looks much better!

 

btw, did you get your Beemer yet?

 

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Haha, I'm gettin' a bimmer, not a beemer. I didn't know the distinction until a BMW aficionado clued me in. But, no not yet. Those puppies aren't hitting the dealers until September.

[68fastback]

Haha, I'm gettin' a bimmer, not a beemer. I didn't know the distinction until a BMW aficionado clued me in. But, no not yet. Those puppies aren't hitting the dealers until September.

 

 

Ooops, what's a beemer then? (why do I think I don't want to know)

 

Did you order or are you waiting to decide? They are sweet cars.

[lawdude]

Ooops, what's a beemer then? (why do I think I don't want to know)

 

Did you order or are you waiting to decide? They are sweet cars.

 

Beemer is a motorcycle.

 

I put down a deposit and ordered it the way I wanted it.

[68fastback]

Beemer is a motorcycle.

 

I put down a deposit and ordered it the way I wanted it.

 

 

Huh, you learn something new every day here -- a BMW cycle I would think?

 

Good luck with your order -- it will be interesting to see how well-oiled our Bavarian friends' process is.

 

-Dan

[shelbang]

When the 07 Mustang Shelby Cobra GT500 debuted at the New York Auto Show I said I had to get one. If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all. Initially I thought this was destined to be a collectable. I have ordered one and it will be my toy, something to have fun with. I now am of the opinion that it will not be collectable long term let alone short term. Nonetheless I will try to keep it in pristine condition and hand it down to my kids one day. Hopefully in twenty years gasoline will not be obsolete so the next generation will at least have the opportunity to drive it. My 2 cents.

[Guest evilchris]

When the 07 Mustang Shelby Cobra GT500 debuted at the New York Auto Show I said I had to get one. If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all. Initially I thought this was destined to be a collectable. I have ordered one and it will be my toy, something to have fun with. I now am of the opinion that it will not be collectable long term let alone short term. Nonetheless I will try to keep it in pristine condition and hand it down to my kids one day. Hopefully in twenty years gasoline will not be obsolete so the next generation will at least have the opportunity to drive it. My 2 cents.

 

 

So you don't like the car?

 

"If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all. "

 

Unreal....

[Fordrules]

When the 07 Mustang Shelby Cobra GT500 debuted at the New York Auto Show I said I had to get one. If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all. Initially I thought this was destined to be a collectable. I have ordered one and it will be my toy, something to have fun with. I now am of the opinion that it will not be collectable long term let alone short term. Nonetheless I will try to keep it in pristine condition and hand it down to my kids one day. Hopefully in twenty years gasoline will not be obsolete so the next generation will at least have the opportunity to drive it. My 2 cents.

 

 

Is gasoline the only basis for your changee perspective?

What other thoughts did you have on the collector/not a collector value?

[shelbang]

So you don't like the car?

 

"If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all. "

 

Unreal....

 

 

Your unreal chump. Obviously I love the car chump. The car is awesome all around. Now go back and finish your paper route chump!

[Joe G]

Your unreal chump. Obviously I love the car chump. The car is awesome all around. Now go back and finish your paper route chump!

Now come on. Is this necessary??

 

He asked a valid question. You said "If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all." So, if the exact same car were available, but with "Cobra" or "SVT" badging instead of "Shelby", you wouldn't be an owner?

 

I'm not judging you, but again, EC's question is a good one based on your comment.

[shelbang]

Now come on. Is this necessary??

 

He asked a valid question. You said "If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all." So, if the exact same car were available, but with "Cobra" or "SVT" badging instead of "Shelby", you wouldn't be an owner?

 

I'm not judging you, but again, EC's question is a good one based on your comment.

 

Now are you for real? This doesn't concern you. I posted my opion to no one specific. It's my opinion and I don't need a sarcastic reply from anyone. You obviously are oblivious to this. The question you are proposing is yours and not EC's (everyone chump) and is redundant at that. Why ask a question? my comment speaks for itself, 'Wouldn't buy a non shelby'

[Guest evilchris]

rofl @ shelbang

 

Seriously.

 

Now come on. Is this necessary??

 

He asked a valid question. You said "If the car was not called a Shelby I would not have considered it at all." So, if the exact same car were available, but with "Cobra" or "SVT" badging instead of "Shelby", you wouldn't be an owner?

 

I'm not judging you, but again, EC's question is a good one based on your comment.

 

 

He can't handle it, hilarious.

 

I wonder if he'll rip off the Powered By SVT valve covers and SVT door sill plates. lol

[Shelby101]

Well I cannot state wither or not it will be a collectable, but based on how my delivery is progressing it will probaly qualify for CLASSIC PLATES ! ! !

 

So it may not be collectable, but deffinately will be a classic.

[shelbang]

rofl @ shelbang

 

Seriously.

He can't handle it, hilarious.

 

I wonder if he'll rip off the Powered By SVT valve covers and SVT door sill plates. lol

 

 

Another rhetorical question? NO, SVT stays, great product and specialists. Fact is Shelby and SVT/Ford are an amazing tag team. Now try to stay back on topic.

[Guest evilchris]

Another rhetorical question? NO, SVT stays, great product and specialists. Fact is Shelby and SVT/Ford are an amazing tag team. Now try to stay back on topic.

 

 

Yeah Shelby really went in there and built this car! SVT probably just had a rebadged Terminator ready to ship but ol' Carroll came in and showed him how it's done! Tape stripes and emblems!

[shelbang]

Yeah Shelby really went in there and built this car!

 

 

Actually he's personally mounting the nice fat rear tires that he specified for the car.

[Guest evilchris]

Actually he's personally mounting the nice fat rear tires that he specified for the car.

 

 

275's are fat? I guess compared to a GT stang they are...

[68fastback]

Another rhetorical question? NO, SVT stays, great product and specialists. Fact is Shelby and SVT/Ford are an amazing tag team. Now try to stay back on topic.

 

 

Shelbang, no need to take the questions personally. Evil's just trying to understand exactly how you feel about things (in his own 'evil' way ;-). I thought you're comments were a bit curious too. It sounded to me that you felt collectable status was solely driven by the Shelby name (and it might be), even though this is all Ford/SVT work product.

 

You may not be aware (or you may be) that Ford has spent the better part of a decade making friends again with Carroll after the bad blood from Ford 'stealing' (legitimately, of course) the '68 and subsequent Shelbys (a totally Ford product also) after the success of Carroll's '65-67s. Ford licenses Carroll's name now as then and, while he has contract deliverable review privaledges to make sure the final product doesn't besmirch his good name (zero chance of that), he has little control over the car beyond being one person on the review team. Ford also licenses GTxxx from Shelby, who owns all those marques. On 'Cobra' the ownership is split, Carroll owns vintage and Ford owns modern.

 

So when you commented on the name Shelby being the sole deciding factor for you, it raised some questions on whether you also like the car, regardless of the name(s) on it, for what it is.

 

Chill a bit and hang out with us -- no one's trying to razz you... at least no more than anyone else with similar views.

 

Hope you're enjoying the site -- as you can tell folks here are real enthusiasts and not shy, but they also mean nothing personal in the questions. A lot of amazing people and ideas in here. Peace.

[sprint200]

Good advice from 68fastback. "Two wrongs never make a right" as the saying goes.

 

But to the topic, Why should anyone care right now whether the car will "become collectible"? The car should be enjoyed for what it is. Does Carroll's name add some nostalgia? You bet. Should it be the only reason for buying? No way! It will be a great car in its own right.

 

I knew from day one that I wanted a performance version of the new mustang platform. The question was SVT vs. Saleen vs. Roush. For me the balance came down to price for performance. If the ADM had pushed the Shelby anywhere close to the Saleen Extreme (within 10k or so), I would have opted for the Saleen. Roush just isn't coming close on horsepower so.....

 

With the internals one this engine, it should mod well into the 600's as has been speculated on other threads here. So that's where I see MOST of its value.

 

BTW ec, I've order the stripes just for you Although I'll have them painted on in a year or so.

[Joe G]

rofl @ shelbang

Seriously.

He can't handle it, hilarious.

 

 

It's ok, I have my "ignore" button engaged.

 

Shelbang, no need to take the questions personally. Evil's just trying to understand exactly how you feel about things (in his own 'evil' way ;-). I thought you're comments were a bit curious too. It sounded to me that you felt collectable status was solely driven by the Shelby name (and it might be), even though this is all Ford/SVT work product.

 

So when you commented on the name Shelby being the sole deciding factor for you, it raised some questions on whether you also like the car, regardless of the name(s) on it, for what it is.

 

I guess if we don't agree with shelbang's statement we can't comment on it. His is the only opinion that's valid.

I guess I'll go cry in a corner...

[shelbang]

It's ok, I have my "ignore" button engaged.

I guess if we don't agree with shelbang's statement we can't comment on it. His is the only opinion that's valid.

I guess I'll go cry in a corner...

 

 

 

On the contrary, opinions are like ____holes, everyone has one.

[JETSOLVER]

Now try to stay back on topic.

 

 

On the contrary, opinions are like ____holes, everyone has one.

 

Finally, these posts are in the right FORUM!! (if not the right thread)