442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Well I just talked to god,"yes he is a man". He said 15k over msrp. Period end of story. Maybe not. Hey Hussman, kind of ironic your in NJ and I'm in VT. and we both get the 15k line huh? Just would like to hear from those getting one what your paying over msrp,what state your in, and where would you draw the line. And do you think the car will,"cool off", this year or next? As well as it's retention value for prosperity? For me, I'm thinking about waiting for an 2008.Not sure yet. A teens dream in the 70's.4onthefloor4bblcarbanddualexhaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5.4 Shelby Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 And do you think the car will,"cool off", this year or next? As well as it's retention value for prosperity? For me, I'm thinking about waiting for an 2008.Not sure yet. A teens dream in the 70's.4onthefloor4bblcarbanddualexhaust I think you and I have had this conversation before, but, here is where I stand. I started with a dealer in Summer 2003. I was referred there because they had never charged ADM on any car before, even the Tbirds. I met the guy, told him that was important to me and got put first on his list. I kept freq contact with the guy and made sure he knew I would not pay over sticker. Jan of this year, on my way home from seeing the car at the Detroit car show, he tells me his sales manager is going to do a bid system for the car. I said "no thanks". I have had 4 or 5 other MSRP deals on the line. Each one has backed down at the last minute. I found out later that the regional reps are telling them they should get 10-20k over sticker for them. Naturally, they are all seeing the dollar signs and changing their mind. I refuse to pay over sticker, period. Over the history of hot cars, they all start with ADMs and all end with MSRP or less. This is usually 6-12 months later. Ford is notorious for making more cars than they say they will. In fact, they were saying early on that they "would build one for everyone that wants one". I think they will. Eventually, prices will fall. The MotorTrend article was just quoted as 3 years instead of 2. Those that are patient, will save 10k-20k. TO me, that is a lot of coin. I also think that demand is way over estimated. The hype has dealer lists that are longer than they think they will be getting cars. Once people start getting cars, those lists will diminish quickly. I don't have any facts or figures to support this, but, I do have history and common sense on my side. Right now the public thinks that if they don't pay the overage that they won't get one. I, personally, think that is untrue. In fact, I'm banking on it. I'm waiting until they come down. IF I, also, have to wait until 2008, I will. IT is worth 20 grand to wait a year. If I am wrong and I never get the car, it won't be the end of the World. There are a lot of cars available in the 60k (GT500 plus 15 or 20 grand) price range that will adequately fill the void. As far as holding their value, not for a long time. OF course they will be better than a minivan, but, they will still depreciate as a normal car. IF you want a car that does not depreciate, buy a used 911 Turbo. I have been following them for at least 7 years. The 91-94 have not changed in that time and the 96-97 have not changed much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelby to the bone Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Well I just talked to god,"yes he is a man". He said 15k over msrp. Period end of story. Maybe not. Hey Hussman, kind of ironic your in NJ and I'm in VT. and we both get the 15k line huh? Just would like to hear from those getting one what your paying over msrp,what state your in, and where would you draw the line. And do you think the car will,"cool off", this year or next? As well as it's retention value for prosperity? For me, I'm thinking about waiting for an 2008.Not sure yet. A teens dream in the 70's.4onthefloor4bblcarbanddualexhaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOval Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Like 5.4 Shelby, I will wait out the insanity of ADM and if it never subsides then so be it... but, I think it will subside. 18,000 GT500's is a lot of GT500's. I feel very strongly that they'll be relatively easy to attain for the 2008 model year if production numbers hold up. Probably be improved, too. Just my instinct... nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelby to the bone Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Well I just talked to god,"yes he is a man". He said 15k over msrp. Period end of story. Maybe not. Hey Hussman, kind of ironic your in NJ and I'm in VT. and we both get the 15k line huh? Just would like to hear from those getting one what your paying over msrp,what state your in, and where would you draw the line. And do you think the car will,"cool off", this year or next? As well as it's retention value for prosperity? For me, I'm thinking about waiting for an 2008.Not sure yet. A teens dream in the 70's.4onthefloor4bblcarbanddualexhaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Thanks 5.4 shelby. I did get your story earlier and had forgotten about it. Valid points, and a gamble to be weighed. Thanks shelby to the bone. I am torn on thinking the 08 will be a better car for less money as opposed to having a first run sure thing with the big monetary hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenkelley Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'm paying $5000 over. I was going to draw the line at a total price of $47,500. Oh well, I went over that! I figure for a couple thousand dollars why not get the car I want. I don't think you'll see '07's at or under MSRP for the remainder of this model year, I think there is just way to much excitement generated by this car. Look at the number of "views" the pricing thread has had, over 17,000 last I looked. The '08's may be easier to buy, but I think MSRP will be higher too. The best way to buy one would be to wait a couple years and buy one that somebody tucked away when they first got it, because I think there will be a bunch of low mileage used ones in a couple years. They will depreciate like every other car out there, so there will be some good buys if a guy can just be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I agree with others and have stated before that the dealers are fooling themselves if they think the 20 or 30 people on their lists are only on their lists. Supply and demand will be at equilibrium within 12 months. Patience will be a virtue. That being said, I'm personally not going to wait 4or 5 years to pick up a low mile, garaged "keeper" that somebody erroneously thought would be "worth something" in a few years. I believe they will be out there, don't get me wrong. It's just that life is too short to wait for the perfect deal. I've had a recent illness that brought that front and center, I've had grade-school friends that have been diagnosed with horrible things...you never know when it will be you. If you find what you want at the price you are comfortable with and have the means to do so, I don't think you'll regret it (that advice goes beyond this car). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Congrats owenkelley! I remember thinking I was locked in at 5k,then 10 and now at 15k over. The down side to buying a used one is finding the milege,color and options I want. As well as just not knowing how the car was treated would be a big deal with this car to me. I'm not sure they would raise the price for next year. Especially if they raise the production number as it was stated earlier in here ford would do to make sure everyone got one. I have to believe your in the minority of 5k over and below winners. And after hearing from two dealers in the northeast that dealers in this region are,"in sync" across the board on pricing I would think it would spread. I guess the biggest unknown is how many many units will sell quick at the inflated prices? Net 60 day's for dealers means no cost to them for two month's, so they can afford to use them as bait with a jacked price to entice. What is your price CT Pats Fan? Wondering what your finding dealers in your area are asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannaculhane Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 This is my first time on this forum, but I am an Internet Coordinator in Seattle, WA. We are getting 7 Shelby Cobra's in and three of them are left. We're selling them $15,000 over the MSRP. I have not heard of anyone taking anything less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dealers don't have a concern with a list of 20-30. How many cars will they get? Unless your a superstore five at best. Most will only get 2 or 3. So their options are based mainly on having a show tool with a jacked price, or quick small profit,"build relations" and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpretzel Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Got mine for $2,000 over MSRP :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Hello Dannaculhane. I will assume you mean GT500,as they are not using the cobra name, just badging. Are you a ford dealership? rpretzel, you are an envied man in my eye's. Just noticed your from CO. From keeping an eye at orf's ebay auctions, CO has one or two of the highest bids on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbornitz Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Got mine for $2800 over MSRP. Dealer agreed to MSRP verbally then when they announced the Shelby fee he added on $1300 to pay for his "mustang program". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Great deal sbornitz.What state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cknight Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I am feeling lucky and still keeping my fingers crossed that my deal does not change. My dealer called me yesterday and told me he had a partial vin and a price. Fully loaded coupe with all options, 45,060. I am sure he is getting calls everyday and probably some crazy offers. I offered to give him some money but he would not take it. Everyone, wish me luck in finishing this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 What state are you in cknight? I hope your deal stays in place. Unlike mine. So your at msrp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 If I can order the car the way I want to, and would get it this year with no BS, 10K over MSRP. If the dealer isn't reasobably local, or I cannot order what I want, well, it depends on what I'd be giving up (coupe vs. vert, color). If that's no good, no problem because I probably wouldn't see the car until snow season anyway, and I have no interest in driving it in the sand/salt/snow anyway. Drove a 66 vert and 67 coupe for 5 years in New England winters. I'll take my f-150 over 2 cinder blocks in the trunk. I'm on multiple lists (anywhere from #6 to #20), but as time has gone on, dealers have waffled from 1st come, 1st served, to auctions, to more slimey moves - like call everybody on the list (I would hope, in order) and say, "we're getting ready to put in our order and you're spot is "up". We're selling it for $20K over MSRP...are you in?" and trying to get that person to bite. If they don't, they move on to the next one (I know this because a friend of mine is on the same list). I'm sure if nobody bites, we'll all be getting calls saying they changed their mind and will be selling for $15K over MSRP, go through the list again, etc. etc. By the way, this was a dealer that 2 months ago said they were simply going to do a lottery. BTW, that's why I think that having 20 or 30 people on a list is giving some of the dealers big balls to try some things they wouldn't try otherwise. Not that they think they would be getting more than 3 cars, but that they have 20 or 30 fish out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpretzel Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 rpretzel, you are an envied man in my eye's. Just noticed your from CO. From keeping an eye at orf's ebay auctions, CO has one or two of the highest bids on the car. Thanks, I got lucky. Yes, the Denver area dealers are really trying to milk this for every dollar they can get. I got mine from a dealer 3 hours outside the Denver area where the hype isn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 WOW! A collection of weasels. That sucks. I wonder if they are doing the ebay thing as well? Although I don't remember seeing any CT dealers. My info told me the NE region ford dealers were in concert with a 15k ADM across the board. I guess your in with some real rogues. 20k is totally absurd to me. Especially when they were at 10k a month ago. I spent at least 100 hours digging up every ford dealer in NY,VT,NH,MA,CT and MAINE. I started the beginning of February and 2 dealers in VT that sounded honest and specified they were NOT going to ask for an outrageous ADM. I think I should have chosen more options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I haven't checked ebay...I just figured it would p*ss me off. The dealers here are just coming around to stating their price. Some are bold (example above), some have just played dumb or are testing the waters. My favorite was "we have no idea how much MSRP is going to be, so we have no idea what we are going to charge." My response was, "whatever MSRP is, you're going to add ADM - so you can tell me what your ADM is going to be, you're just choosing not to. Oh, and by the way, here's what MSRP is." (thanks to everybody on this board for keeping us in the loop!!!) I figure 10K because I can order a Roush for that price right now and see it in 2 months. That's not a bad fall-back. If I have to wait until 2008, that's probably better since some stock I own took a big hit due to the BOD backdating stock options for the CEO and the SEC investigating. So "patience young grasshopper" is my mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cknight Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I am in TN, One of those smalldealers that was not an SVT dealer. He has not ask for me to pay any of the fees at this time and since he told me 45,060 and his dealership does not charge any type of prep or doc fee I am hoping the price does not increase. All the SVT dealers around here are getting 15K over. I had two deals with SVT dealers but was not willing to go that high. Its kind of funny how the deal came down. I was sitting in the office of a SVT dealer, I had been #2 on his list but somehow got bumped to #3 and he read me the allocating rules. He could not guarantee a car but I realized all dealers might have a chance at getting one. I called the non ST dealer and he said he had already ordered one and I could have it. I went in the next day and here I am today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Wow, I did the VT, NH, MA and Maine dealer thing too. Some of them were very nice initially, but have changed their tunes. Most, I will have to say, were up front about not wanting a down payment. Whereas here in CT, most of the dealers I spoke to have wanted down payments. One CT ealer, for which I would have been #9 on their list, wanted "as much as I could put down", suggesting $500 wouldn't even hold a car on the lot, and that $5000 was more like it. However, this dealer would not tell me what they were going to sell the car for. Can you believe that? Knowing they would only get 2 or 3 cars, tops, suggesting $5K downpayment to "keep my spot in line", but won't even commit to a selling price. Weasels indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 So cknight, your dealer did go through the svt (GT500) certification process right? I did get the"don't even waste my time" from the CT dealers. They all told me they had lists as long as there arm. I had to shell out 1k to each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I did get the"don't even waste my time" from the CT dealers. They all told me they had lists as long as there arm. I got that response from the one at the northern most part of I-91 (in CT). I know where I won't be wasting my time when it's time to replace my wife's mini-van!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 There are about five or six dealers off 91 at the MA/CT border. Those are the ones. You know if they did not say anything about a price,it's ok. It's there right to ask what they want. But if you keep changing time after you've made a commitment shame on you. It's just bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 There are about five or six dealers off 91 at the MA/CT border. Those are the ones. The one in particular I had in mind is named after a town and begins with an "E". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
442forever(noolds) Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Come on CTPatsfan, you can use this as a healing forum. Say it and thou shall be healed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Pats Fan Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Come on CTPatsfan, you can use this as a healing forum. Say it and thou shall be healed! OK, I won't be buying a replacement for my wife's mini-van at Enfield Ford. Being brushed off with "don't waste my time" is not an acceptable response to an inquiry in any business. And I'm sure whoever is #'s 1-5 on their list are going to be handled with respect and handled honestly and fairly. That doesn't make me feel too much better. But it's a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cknight Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 So cknight, your dealer did go through the svt (GT500) certification process right? Yes, I ask him several weeks ago. He paid the money and did the test. All looks good in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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