Madlock Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Well then touche lol. I wouldn't say I rally around the mods though I just want to fix what held Ford back from fixing due to budget issues or maybe because they are just plain stupid in some regards. OR.... One could simply prefer them for their aesthetics - cost and performance be damned. One of the best parts of owning one's own things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman5000 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I think this is an easy one...Basically because I don't think like you. Essentially I like the stock wheels and weight isn't of importance. I don't rally around mods like you do I no longer get that "bug" People like to say "Oh you'll get the bug" I think that may be a sick twisted way of justifying their own bug....anywho, to stop the rant here, I like the double five spoke design, it speaks to me, I can't escape it. I like the Alcoas, I do, but I'll save money on the OEM's because I wont need tires. No matter what I haven't made up my mind yet. I agree with a lot of what you say, except the tires. Why are you so against changeing the tires? The Goodyears absolutely suck compared to the Mich Pilot Super Sports. That's why Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. use them. The reason Ford did not make them OEM, was simply cost. Michelin even offered to make a 19" front for Ford, but they wanted $29 more per tire than Goodyear. Jamal Hameedi pressed the bean counters hard to get the PSS, but he lost in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy49 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 If Firs Racing DOES offer them, it won't be in OE sizing. Just noticed that Ford Racing is a little light on 20" wheels (as in one). Hopefully this will change in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devious_stang Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 OR.... One could simply prefer them for their aesthetics - cost and performance be damned. One of the best parts of owning one's own things. plain ans simple! but man these OE are way overpriced! I might sell my base wheels just cuz lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman5000 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I've got mine for sale $3000.00 with tires 600miles. No scratches or dings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsphaltDanceFloor Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 The tire combination I'm going with is slightly shorter in diameter by 1.1%, which I will address via ECU programing (even though its slight). sorry for the quite possibly dumb questions: so if you alter ECU programming, isn't that something that voids the warranty? in other words, if somebody wants fatties on the rear, you can't have a correct speedo after that without voiding your warranty? any nanny performance that 305 or more on the rear may alter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy49 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 How many times can you adjust the speedometer in the ECU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman5000 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 It does not void the warranty. If you have a programmer, plug it in, change the speedo. You can do this an unlimited amount of times. Or you can have your dealer do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 So as Jer has said before for the money the alcoas are a very cheap lightweight USA forged wheel and better than the chinese made OEM. Don't misquote me. I said that the Alcoa is a quality wheel that is very inexpensive considering they are forged and made in USA. I have NO OPINION on the OEM wheel. Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsphaltDanceFloor Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 It does not void the warranty. If you have a programmer, plug it in, change the speedo. You can do this an unlimited amount of times. Or you can have your dealer do it. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Don't misquote me. I said that the Alcoa is a quality wheel that is very inexpensive considering they are forged and made in USA. I have NO OPINION on the OEM wheel. Jer Sry Jer. I ment for that last part to be separate from me quoting you. Looking at it now, they way I wrote it makes it look like you said the whole thing. But yes you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I agree with a lot of what you say, except the tires. Why are you so against changeing the tires? The Goodyears absolutely suck compared to the Mich Pilot Super Sports. That's why Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. use them. The reason Ford did not make them OEM, was simply cost. Michelin even offered to make a 19" front for Ford, but they wanted $29 more per tire than Goodyear. $29? That's pretty specific without a glance at the actual proposal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 How would a 20x9 widened to 11" give you more backspacing than a 20x10 widened to 11"? I can't see the advantage of widening the 20x9 rather than widening a 20x10. Unless you are taking it for granted that most of the people buy 2 20x9's and 2 20x10"s rather than buying 4 20x10's. Most people do (or did) buy them in staggered sets based upon the product claim that 10's wouldn't work up-front. Because the Alcoa's do and are apparently of identical depth and draw regardless of the width, moving the 10's up front allows people to widen only 2 of the 4 wheels while using wider tires all-around. It's a shame, because schmuck's like me originally ordered and then cancelled full sets of 10" Alcoas based upon conflicting information and wound-up with staggered sets instead. I wish I knew if the same were true of the CS56s before the last of the stragglers are gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Don't misquote me. I said that the Alcoa is a quality wheel that is very inexpensive considering they are forged and made in USA. I have NO OPINION on the OEM wheel. That they are. And just one more lobby for offering a certain number without the "FIFTY YEARS" inscriptions for prior owners who need to replace single wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ok so now that we determined the regular size lets move on to widened alcoas. This discussion would be for people who move their 10s in the front and go 11.75 in the rear. Now I want to know what does it take to get 335 on the back of this car with this alcoa? I know Alex did it on his boss leguna seca but he didn't talk about it at all how he did it. Since it seems I won't be able to get new summer tires early enough I'll be going winter soon I might as well plan for next summer since I have plenty of time now. What tire would we have to run on the front for the 10 inch to balance out with the 335 in the rear. And what kind of modifications are needed to make 335 work? Also can a dealership recalibrate the speedo to avoid any warranty issues? Also how is gas milage effected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Without hacking up the suspension, you've only got so much additional room to go inboard. That means widening the wheel to the minimum width your 335 of choice requires and spacers to give you enough clearance from the suspension. 335's are no trick. 335's without rubbing and protuding beyond the fender is damn-near impossible. What do you need up front? Do the math. But you're going to have a hard time fitting much larger than 285's up front without locking off the steering at some point. All you need is a handheld tuner to change the rev/mile calibration. Wheel/tire size doesn't affect warranty unless the parts you use cause another component to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy49 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 All you need is a handheld tuner to change the rev/mile calibration. Does the tuner have to be married to the car or can you use anyones tuner to recalibrate the speedometer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Are you talking about an SCT tuner? That will void the warranty. Any kind of non manufactuer tune will void it. Because if anything goes wrong you can be that dealership will somehow blame that. They tried it with me on the remote start that had nothing to do with my rev limiter. Thats why I rather not deal with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman5000 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Are you talking about an SCT tuner? That will void the warranty. Any kind of non manufactuer tune will void it. Because if anything goes wrong you can be that dealership will somehow blame that. They tried it with me on the remote start that had nothing to do with my rev limiter. Thats why I rather not deal with them You can change the speedo without loading any tune in the car with the SCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afdharley Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 You can also go to your dealer and ask them to re calibrate for different tire sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 You can also go to your dealer and ask them to re calibrate for different tire sizes. ^ This is what I wanted to know. Now for anyone who has done 335s what do you have to do to make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afdharley Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 For 335s you probably gonna have to remove the factory bump stop and shock boot. By bump stop, I'm referring to the metal part that is spot welded on that the bump stop actually hits...make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 You can change the speedo without loading any tune in the car with the SCT. Exactly. And even if you WERE to load a different tune, you can re-load the stock tune before taking it to the dealer for service with no forensic trace. Does the tuner have to be married to the car or can you use anyones tuner to recalibrate the speedometer? You'd need your own. 1 per car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Exactly. And even if you WERE to load a different tune, you can re-load the stock tune before taking it to the dealer for service with no forensic trace. You'd need your own. 1 per car. I am pretty sure that once you change the tune of the car if the dealer has the equipment they can find out. Its my understanding though that the majority of them do not bother to pay to get it. Though lets say there is a serious problem with the car and Ford sends an engineer I'm almost positive they will come with the proper equipment to test that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I am pretty sure that once you change the tune of the car if the dealer has the equipment they can find out. Its my understanding though that the majority of them do not bother to pay to get it. Though lets say there is a serious problem with the car and Ford sends an engineer I'm almost positive they will come with the proper equipment to test that. Sigh. That's right it's part of the same super secret techno pack the CIA hooks to the Taliban's balls for rendition at Gitmo. Even if you were to leave a batshit crazy tune loaded, Ford can't arbitrarily "void" warranties. To not cover a particular part, it must be able to establish a direct cause and effect which is limited ONLY to those specific components. Besides, the cars are designed to accomodate variable tire sizing for Christ's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy49 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 That's right it's part of the same super secret techno pack the CIA hooks to the Taliban's balls for rendition at Gitmo. I knew it, and people thought I was paranoid. Where the hell did I put that tin foil hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I knew it, and people thought I was paranoid. Where the hell did I put that tin foil hat? Screw the hat. Go for the Kevlar & carbon fiber jockstrap. The tinfoil hat is only for lodge meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Sigh. That's right it's part of the same super secret techno pack the CIA hooks to the Taliban's balls for rendition at Gitmo. Even if you were to leave a batshit crazy tune loaded, Ford can't arbitrarily "void" warranties. To not cover a particular part, it must be able to establish a direct cause and effect which is limited ONLY to those specific components. Besides, the cars are designed to accomodate variable tire sizing for Christ's sake. Just saying my dealership always tries to put responsible on the owner instead of them. They are assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy49 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 If your worried about using a tuner to recalibrate your speedometer because of oversized tires, your not going to like this. From the 2013 Ford Warranty Guide Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by: • alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company • tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not limited to exhaust and intake systems) • the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or software and performance ‘‘chips’’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt13 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 If your worried about using a tuner to recalibrate your speedometer because of oversized tires, your not going to like this. From the 2013 Ford Warranty Guide Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by: • alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company • tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not limited to exhaust and intake systems) • the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or software and performance ‘‘chips’’ I'm not worried about the tires causing damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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