69dejavue Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Here is a story about the next census. The census was established to determine the population of the country and to adjust for congressional represenatation. So why does the government need to know how many bathrooms you have, the exact time you leave for work, whether you were off sick last week, and a host of other questions that are not their business. Unwanted interrogation by U.S. Census Bureau by DP Opinion on January 3, 2008 I recently received the “American Community Survey” from the U.S. Census Bureau. I was told my response is required by law. What I read next appalled and unnerved me. I was selected randomly and addressed as “Resident.” The first thing they ask on the form is your full name, birth date and phone number. So much for anonymity. I’m then asked 74 questions, some very personal. They want to know my race and ancestry. If I have physical or mental impairments. Did I miss work last week? What time, down to the minute, do I leave for work? A breakdown of my income and the bills I pay. These are topics most people wouldn’t discuss with friends or family. I now have two choices: 1. fill out the form and risk identity theft or perhaps something more sinister; 2. ignore the form, possibly pay a fine, then endure weeks of harassing phone calls and knocks on my door. If you are the recipient of this interrogation, do your homework. Several websites address this issue. Call your representatives In Washington and complain. Now I remember the liberals on this site proclaiming that Bush had invaded their privacy and violated their rights when he ordered the tapping of cell phones from Afghanistan to the United States. And obama has moved the census from its original office to the White House. But nobody asks why as we rush headlong into communism. Congratulations obama voters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 You ever heard of the "ROUND FILE"??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeGreenGT Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 They came to my door. I told them to leave. As far as I am concerned, taking a CENSUS by FORCE is unconsitutional. Round up the illegals that are having babies on Medicaid and count them. Then I proceeded to order a "Don't Tread on Me Flag". Here's some more food for thought... A DODGE DEALER’S PERSPECTIVE May 22, 2009 As a loyal and successful Dodge Dealer for over 22 years it is not a big surprise that given the current economy, the marketplace may not support the number of Dealers presently representing Chrysler Corporation products. However, the methodology Chrysler Corporation is attempting to utilize to reduce its Dealer body is unlawful, unconstitutional, un-American and grossly unfair. What Chrysler Corporation is attempting to do, under President Obama’s direction, is to use the United States Bankruptcy Court in New York to terminate 789 Dodge Chrysler Dealer Franchise Agreements, arbitrarily, capriciously, and without due process of law. The so called “criteria” establishing which Dealers will be terminated is seriously flawed and “non-transparent”. Many of the Dodge/Chrysler Dealers are profitable, employ many quality employees, support their communities and provide the necessary competition to insure that customers receive competitively priced vehicles. By reducing the number of automobile Dealers you are certain to reduce competition and the undesired effect will be the increased prices that Americans will ultimately pay for the price of a car. Additionally, Chrysler is proposing to take away my franchise without compensating me for its value. I have invested millions of dollars to acquire the Dodge franchise, the Dealership facility and the real estate. Chrysler proposes to transfer my franchise and all the goodwill I created over a 22 year span to a Chrysler competitor, across the street, free of charge, without compensating me one cent. This is occurring despite my Tamaroff Dodge Dealership continuously achieving high sales, high customer satisfaction index ratings, a 5-star Dealer status (Chrysler’s highest achievement award), and over 22 years having built a loyal and satisfied customer base. It is like “Crystal Night” in Nazi Germany in 1938, but instead of the Nazis seizing “private property” without due process of law and compensation, Chrysler and President Obama are using the power of a Federal Bankruptcy Judge to trample and run roughshod over the rights of 789 Dodge/Chrysler Dealers. By using the power and governmental action of the Federal Bankruptcy Court, Chrysler and President Obama are purposely avoiding all state laws and some federal laws which were specifically designed by lawmakers to protect the Dealer from the overwhelming power of the manufacturer. Furthermore, where is the due process for an unconstitutional taking of my franchise rights without just compensation? My fellow Americans, I am a WWII veteran and former P.O.W. who risked my life for our country to defeat National Socialism and Hitler’s tyrannical Nazi regime. Never in my entire 82 years (50 years as an auto dealer and mechanical engineer) would I have anticipated the President of the United States and an appointed Federal Bankruptcy Judge trampling on my rights, seizing my property and potentially causing me to go into bankruptcy and in the process acting as instruments of FACISM. President Obama, is this the change you promised the American people? Where is the transparency you promised on the campaign trial? To add insult to injury, Chrysler Corporation, at this date, will not buy back any of the Dealers’ new car inventory; inventory they pushed on the Dealers in the last 90 days threatening them that if they did not purchase the cars from Chrysler they would be remembered come “termination day.” Finally, the worst point about this “Executive Branch sponsored taking” is the painful effect of laying off our people, many of whom have been with our company since the beginning. They are like family. It is like throwing your kids out on the street, with no job, no money, and no health care. It is a heartbreaking experience for the employees, their families and for me. Recently, President Obama made a public statement that he is standing by the Dealers . . . Yes, he is standing on their graves. Where is his leadership and foresight as he rushes to accomplish his agenda at the expense of 789 Dodge/Chrysler Dealers and their employees? President Obama and the Obama administration are directly responsible for orchestrating this ill conceived plan. My fellow Americans, WAKE UP before you lose your livelihood and private property without just compensation. If the Executive Branch and Judicial Branch can successfully complete this illegal seizure of property and transfer of wealth from one Dealer to another, then is any American’s private property safe from unlawful government seizure? As the great Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said, “The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of the other guy’s money.” God Bless our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and Our Great Country. Marvin M. Tamaroff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 The people coming to youir door right now are just the preliminary. They are not asking, to my knowledge, intrusive questons. The intrusive questions will be mailed to you at a later time, probably in 2010. If you fail to answer the survey it is a 5,000.00 fine. You cannot just round file it without consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherri Leicht Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 well, what's stopping people from answering incorrectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Thanks to those who drink :koolaid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Why would obama move the census under the White House authority. Where are the obama apologists that claim that Bush violated their rights of privacy. We obviously have not seen anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 We obviously have not seen anything yet. Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!! Only Wild Speculation from the "WHINERS"!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Have you noticed that Obama is now calling His Appointee's "Czar's? It is so they can NOT be Investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getright1 Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Here is a story about the next census. The census was established to determine the population of the country and to adjust for congressional represenatation. So why does the government need to know how many bathrooms you have, the exact time you leave for work, whether you were off sick last week, and a host of other questions that are not their business. Unwanted interrogation by U.S. Census Bureau by DP Opinion on January 3, 2008 I recently received the “American Community Survey” from the U.S. Census Bureau. I was told my response is required by law. What I read next appalled and unnerved me. I was selected randomly and addressed as “Resident.” The first thing they ask on the form is your full name, birth date and phone number. So much for anonymity. I’m then asked 74 questions, some very personal. They want to know my race and ancestry. If I have physical or mental impairments. Did I miss work last week? What time, down to the minute, do I leave for work? A breakdown of my income and the bills I pay. These are topics most people wouldn’t discuss with friends or family. I now have two choices: 1. fill out the form and risk identity theft or perhaps something more sinister; 2. ignore the form, possibly pay a fine, then endure weeks of harassing phone calls and knocks on my door. If you are the recipient of this interrogation, do your homework. Several websites address this issue. Call your representatives In Washington and complain. Now I remember the liberals on this site proclaiming that Bush had invaded their privacy and violated their rights when he ordered the tapping of cell phones from Afghanistan to the United States. And obama has moved the census from its original office to the White House. But nobody asks why as we rush headlong into communism. Congratulations obama voters! :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Have you noticed that Obama is now calling His Appointee's "Czar's? It is so they can NOT be Investigated. Got to give him credit for being devious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoc Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 OMG a Census!!! Just exactly like the ones I remember from 1980, 1990 and 2000. Where they mail you a long questionnaire or God forbid show up at your door. Obama must have invented the Census. After all, he was born a communist and he has been planning this since birth. And we all know that the census like fluoridation is a communist plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 There has been a census forever. But the purpose of the census is to measure the population for congressional distribution. Nowhere did we give authority to ask whatever questions they want including what time you leave for work, the number of bathrooms, mental health issues, if you were sick last week and missed work, etc. And before you were not threatened with a 5,000.00 fine if you refused to answer. That is the difference. No one should object to a mere counting of people. And why did obama move the census function to the White House staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeCMM Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 There has been a census forever. But the purpose of the census is to measure the population for congressional distribution. Nowhere did we give authority to ask whatever questions they want including what time you leave for work, the number of bathrooms, mental health issues, if you were sick last week and missed work, etc. And before you were not threatened with a 5,000.00 fine if you refused to answer. That is the difference. No one should object to a mere counting of people. And why did obama move the census function to the White House staff? Damn good questions! Any of you Obama supporters care to comment on this? You tell me what business is it of Washington's regarding our homelife? They must be concerned about a toilet gap between the classes, huh? Washington should stay focused on their own jobs instead of what honest, working, law abiding citizens do. My message to Obama: Quit worrying about what I'm doing and worry about yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 And why did obama move the census function to the White House staff?[/size] So his henchmen at Acorn could over count poor unemployed people and under count middle class people. With it under White House control, Rahm Emmanuel can cook the books and they can redistrict everything the way they want it. It's all about power and how to abuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoc Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Damn good questions! Any of you Obama supporters care to comment on this? You tell me what business is it of Washington's regarding our homelife? They must be concerned about a toilet gap between the classes, huh? Washington should stay focused on their own jobs instead of what honest, working, law abiding citizens do. My message to Obama: Quit worrying about what I'm doing and worry about yourself. They asked about the number of bathrooms way back in 1980. IT IS NOT A NEW QUESTION! The Census for all you people who are always complaining about "Being Unconstitutional" (and who appear to never have actually read the document) is mandated by the Constitution. Article 1, Section II of the US Constitution states: "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers. The actual enumeration shall be made within every subsequent term of 10 years." Here are the penalties for refusing to participate (from http://people.howstuffworks.com/question345.htm): Notice there is NO $5000 fine. But excuse me, don't let facts get in your way. "If you refuse to give out the information or you deliberately give inaccurate information, you can be in legal trouble. According to United States Code, Title 13 (Census), Chapter 7 (Offenses and Penalties), SubChapter II, if you're over 18 and refuse to answer all or part of the Census, you can be fined up to $100. If you give false answers, you're subject to a fine of up to $500. If you offer suggestions or information with the "intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population," you are subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to a year in prison, or both. Here's the official verbiage: 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers * ( a ) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100. * ( b ) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. * ( c ) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body. Sec. 222. Giving suggestions or information with intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population Whoever, either directly or indirectly, offers or renders to any officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof engaged in making an enumeration of population under subchapter II, IV, or V of chapter 5 of this title, any suggestion, advice, information or assistance of any kind, with the intent or purpose of causing an inaccurate enumeration of population to be made, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherri Leicht Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I'll pay my $100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 They asked about the number of bathrooms way back in 1980. IT IS NOT A NEW QUESTION! The Census for all you people who are always complaining about "Being Unconstitutional" (and who appear to never have actually read the document) is mandated by the Constitution. Article 1, Section II of the US Constitution states: "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers. The actual enumeration shall be made within every subsequent term of 10 years." Here are the penalties for refusing to participate (from http://people.howstuffworks.com/question345.htm): Notice there is NO $5000 fine. But excuse me, don't let facts get in your way. "If you refuse to give out the information or you deliberately give inaccurate information, you can be in legal trouble. According to United States Code, Title 13 (Census), Chapter 7 (Offenses and Penalties), SubChapter II, if you're over 18 and refuse to answer all or part of the Census, you can be fined up to $100. If you give false answers, you're subject to a fine of up to $500. If you offer suggestions or information with the "intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population," you are subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to a year in prison, or both. Here's the official verbiage: 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers * ( a ) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100. * ( b ) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. * ( c ) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body. Sec. 222. Giving suggestions or information with intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population Whoever, either directly or indirectly, offers or renders to any officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof engaged in making an enumeration of population under subchapter II, IV, or V of chapter 5 of this title, any suggestion, advice, information or assistance of any kind, with the intent or purpose of causing an inaccurate enumeration of population to be made, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. " Note, I never said it was unconstitutional. And I did state that the purpose of the census was to count the population. No where in your citation did it state that they may ask medical questions such as mental health issues, if you missed work last week due to illness. No where in the basis for the enumeration should they be asking about the number of bathrooms, the mileage you drive to work and the exact time, to the minute, that you leave for work. And it was announced on the finacial discussions on Saturday re the 5,000.00 fine for refusing to answer the 2010 census. BTW, ACORN will be assisting the census bureau, under the auspices of the white house and obama, to ensure accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 They can just fine me the $5000!!! Then after they fine me they can try to collect it! They will just take it without going through due process of law, but that is exactly what they will have to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoc Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Note, I never said it was unconstitutional. And I did state that the purpose of the census was to count the population. No where in your citation did it state that they may ask medical questions such as mental health issues, if you missed work last week due to illness. No where in the basis for the enumeration should they be asking about the number of bathrooms, the mileage you drive to work and the exact time, to the minute, that you leave for work. And it was announced on the finacial discussions on Saturday re the 5,000.00 fine for refusing to answer the 2010 census. BTW, ACORN will be assisting the census bureau, under the auspices of the white house and obama, to ensure accuracy. The point is that they have been asking about the number of bathrooms along with other "personal" questions since I can remember them doing the census. It is NOT a new thing. Here is where the $5000 fine comes from: The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000. From: http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml Title 13 -HEAD- Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers -STATUTE- ( a ) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100. ( b ) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection ( a ) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. ( c ) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body. The following is from Title 18 section 3571 and 3559 http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_18.shtml -HEAD- Sec. 3559. Sentencing classification of offenses -STATUTE- ( a ) Classification. - An offense that is not specifically classified by a letter grade in the section defining it, is classified if the maximum term of imprisonment authorized is - (1) life imprisonment, or if the maximum penalty is death, as a Class A felony; (2) twenty-five years or more, as a Class B felony; (3) less than twenty-five years but ten or more years, as a Class C felony; (4) less than ten years but five or more years, as a Class D felony; (5) less than five years but more than one year, as a Class E felony; (6) one year or less but more than six months, as a Class A misdemeanor; (7) six months or less but more than thirty days, as a Class B misdemeanor; (8) thirty days or less but more than five days, as a Class C misdemeanor; or (9) five days or less, or if no imprisonment is authorized, as an infraction. -HEAD- Sec. 3571. Sentence of fine -STATUTE- ( a ) In General. - A defendant who has been found guilty of an offense may be sentenced to pay a fine. ( b ) Fines for Individuals. - Except as provided in subsection ( e ) of this section, an individual who has been found guilty of an offense may be fined not more than the greatest of - (1) the amount specified in the law setting forth the offense; (2) the applicable amount under subsection ( d ) of this section; (3) for a felony, not more than $250,000; (4) for a misdemeanor resulting in death, not more than $250,000; (5) for a Class A misdemeanor that does not result in death, not more than $100,000; (6) for a Class B or C misdemeanor that does not result in death, not more than $5,000; or (7) for an infraction, not more than $5,000. Thus in theory since this is an "infraction" you can pay no more than $5000. However, I believe the court would hold that the provisions of Title 13 would still hold since the fines are specifically spelled out and $100 (for refusing to answer) is "not more than $5000". NOTE THE DATE OF TITLE 18: 18 USC TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE 01/08/2008 WHO WAS PRESIDENT ON 1/8/2008???????????????????????????????? Neal Cavuto along with the shrill right wing fear mongers (you know the type) has translated this into an Obama thing. Strange he wasn't president then or even nominated, much less elected. Hmmm. It's amazing what you learn when you actually research the information yourself rather than taking Faux (err, I mean) Fox News' word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 What are you in for? Doing 5 years for lying about how many crappers I had in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 What are you in for? Doing 5 years for lying about how many crappers I had in the house. So your harboring "ILLEGALS" now???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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