robertlane Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Ford released the official GT500 engine photo - we are making it available in its full-size format (over 1,000kb). ENJOY CLICK HERE FOR THE ENGINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVS2XS Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Thank you, and the whole crew! It is nice to finally see the whole engine bay - and the damn hood prop rod. You would think they could have come up with something better. I am still surprised at the absence of ducting to the hood vents. but then again, not much room for ducting. I was also hoping the factory filter box would be a bit larger - that is easy to remedy though. Thanks AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastbackman Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGT500 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Impressive to see. I would have liked less black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Hmmm. Doesn't look that hard to A. Fenderwell CAI B. Remove the blower drive snout and replace it witha reengineered piece for a smaller pulley. and did anybody else note the Romeo Niche line plaque on the drivers side fwd valve cover? Just notice that the belt comes very close together around what looks like a very secondhand idler pulley. Anybody want to try and make a few bucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastbackman Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Hmmm. Doesn't look that hard to A. Fenderwell CAI B. Remove the blower drive snout and replace it witha reengineered piece for a smaller pulley. and did anybody else note the Romeo Niche line plaque on the drivers side fwd valve cover? Just notice that the belt comes very close together around what looks like a very secondhand idler pulley. Anybody want to try and make a few bucks? Yes, I noticed the plaque. I was very glad to see it! :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldimp Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Hmmm. Doesn't look that hard to A. Fenderwell CAI B. Remove the blower drive snout and replace it witha reengineered piece for a smaller pulley. and did anybody else note the Romeo Niche line plaque on the drivers side fwd valve cover? Just notice that the belt comes very close together around what looks like a very secondhand idler pulley. Anybody want to try and make a few bucks? What does the Romeo Niche line plaque tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 What does the Romeo Niche line plaque tell you? The 96 and up SVT COBRA engines were hand assembled by 5-8 teams of 2 very senior Ford employees. Each engine was approached as a single entity and as far as I know they never had an assembly related failure. As well the GT engines were also built this way. Several manufacturers are now copying this, years after SVT started it. Just for giggles I called and actually spoke to one of the gents who built mine and personally thanked him. Pretty cool. Autofieldguide.com/Niche Line ""The whole process amounts to factory blueprinting," says Eller."Romeo Niche line/Mod Power Mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 try this link http://modularpowermag.com/engine.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 try this link http://modularpowermag.com/engine.htm Thanks A for the fix. Oop's :beerchug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 The 96 and up SVT COBRA engines were hand assembled by 5-8 teams of 2 very senior Ford employees. Each engine was approached as a single entity and as far as I know they never had an assembly related failure. As well the GT engines were also built this way. Several manufacturers are now copying this, years after SVT started it. Just for giggles I called and actually spoke to one of the gents who built mine and personally thanked him. Pretty cool. Neat story, especially being able to say "thanks" to your engine builder! I'd send him a birthday card every year on your car's build day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastbackman Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Neat story, especially being able to say "thanks" to your engine builder! I'd send him a birthday card every year on your car's build day. Make it clear your an enthusiast, not a stalker. You might get a restraining order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGT500 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Yep, that would be something to see on the news. Mustang nut stalks his engine builder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss351 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Ford released the official GT500 engine photo - we are making it available in its full-size format (over 1,000kb). ENJOY CLICK HERE FOR THE ENGINE It's pretty packed in there I hope it isn't a maintenance nighmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Make it clear your an enthusiast, not a stalker. You might get a restraining order. Yep, that would be something to see on the news. Mustang nut stalks his engine builder. The article has been lost to the net but a few years ago, one engineering mag wrote about the fact that the had received hundreds of cards and letters and gifts. As well as a few pilgramages to the factory. They really are proud about that fact that their name went on the mill. So am I. B) It's pretty packed in there I hope it isn't a maintenance nighmare. What's to maintain? The plugs are on top and anybody who drives the wheels off it is going to have a love affair with the thing anyway. I did my own top end cleaning and it was easier than changing a cam in an older SBC. These cars are good for 100000m easy. Welcome to the new age of performance. 650hp is a couple of weekend boltons and a good tune away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss351 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 The article has been lost to the net but a few years ago, one engineering mag wrote about the fact that the had received hundreds of cards and letters and gifts. As well as a few pilgramages to the factory. They really are proud about that fact that their name went on the mill. So am I. B) What's to maintain? The plugs are on top and anybody who drives the wheels off it is going to have a love affair with the thing anyway. I did my own top end cleaning and it was easier than changing a cam in an older SBC. These cars are good for 100000m easy. Welcome to the new age of performance. 650hp is a couple of weekend boltons and a good tune away. I already know this as my 5.0 88 has over 207,000 miles and is still going strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faststang Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thank's Rob for engine pic that's beutifull I noticed the supercharger is now curved to let the front engine brace conect side to side before it was more straight.I think it look's even better now!! :bandance: BEST OF LUCK TO ALL!! :happy feet: :bandance: :happy feet: I already know this as my 5.0 88 has over 207,000 miles and is still going strong. i TOTALLY AGREE MY 93 LX IS SUPERCHARGERD FOR 5YR'S AND OWNED FOR 10 YR'S NEVER EVER GAVE ME A PROBLEM!BEST OF LUCK TO ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Boone Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I also noticed the strut tower brace has very little curvature in it. Looks like just a little at the ends. I just noticed that the MAS "blade" is mounted into the air cleaner assembly outlet. Is this normal in newer Fords? Or is this only in the GT500? 1996 Cobra, ex-supercharged, 105K, never been opened up, still strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt5001 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Interesting that the valve covers have SVT on them. Wonder why not something with Shelby's name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faststang Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Interesting that the valve covers have SVT on them. Wonder why not something with Shelby's name on it. THAT'S BECAUSE SVT WAS MORE INVOLVED WITH THE ENGINE THAN CARROL SHELBY HE JUST TESTED IT AND GAVE HIS OPINION'S :happy feet: BEST OF LUCK TO ALL!! :bandance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 The article has been lost to the net but a few years ago, one engineering mag wrote about the fact that the had received hundreds of cards and letters and gifts. As well as a few pilgramages to the factory. They really are proud about that fact that their name went on the mill. So am I. B) What's to maintain? The plugs are on top and anybody who drives the wheels off it is going to have a love affair with the thing anyway. I did my own top end cleaning and it was easier than changing a cam in an older SBC. These cars are good for 100000m easy. Welcome to the new age of performance. 650hp is a couple of weekend boltons and a good tune away. Hi JETSOLVER, you are sooo right-on. The GT500 rep told me the engine will be build by teams of two as in the past -- the first ones will be build by the most senior teams. Re SC pulley... he told me a computer reprogram with a smaller pulley to yield 12psi boost produced 650+HP at the crank on the dyno and 600rwHP and that the drive train would take 650HP. I expect to see aftermarket kits in the $500 range available by SEMA (Nov-LasVegas) to get the GT500 to 650HP in your driveway in two hours. If there aren't at least three aftermarket offerings debuted at that show, I'd be astonished. It's very clear to me that Ford has designed the GT500 to be an easy candidate for aftermarket mods. They saw the light from the recent Cobra aftermarket mods and I suspect they see the advantages of giving the aftermarket and easy add-on. Plus it generates all the right buzzz. Very smart, I think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi JETSOLVER, you are sooo right-on. The GT500 rep told me the engine will be build by teams of two as in the past -- the first ones will be build by the most senior teams. Re SC pulley... he told me a computer reprogram with a smaller pulley to yield 12psi boost produced 650+HP at the crank on the dyno and 600rwHP and that the drive train would take 650HP. I expect to see aftermarket kits in the $500 range available by SEMA (Nov-LasVegas) to get the GT500 to 650HP in your driveway in two hours. If there aren't at least three aftermarket offerings debuted at that show, I'd be astonished. It's very clear to me that Ford has designed the GT500 to be an easy candidate for aftermarket mods. They saw the light from the recent Cobra aftermarket mods and I suspect they see the advantages of giving the aftermarket and easy add-on. Plus it generates all the right buzzz. Very smart, I think.... Thing is; if Ford Racing Performance Parts could do this they could make a freaking ton of money. The problem is the legal hoops a manufacturer has to go through vs. a tuner. I would much rather buy a warrentied, Ford engineered part that has been durability tested than something from a tuner that may or may not be around next year. Anyway, I have already been working on a few ideas for mods that may or may not pan out. What the heck, I may earn enough to pay for the ADM it looks like I'm gonna have to eat. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Thing is; if Ford Racing Performance Parts could do this they could make a freaking ton of money. The problem is the legal hoops a manufacturer has to go through vs. a tuner. I would much rather buy a warrentied, Ford engineered part that has been durability tested than something from a tuner that may or may not be around next year. Anyway, I have already been working on a few ideas for mods that may or may not pan out. What the heck, I may earn enough to pay for the ADM it looks like I'm gonna have to eat. :wacko: Yeah, I would want it to come from Ford too. It seems clear to me from discussions I've had that Ford is intentionally leaving this to the aftermarket -- the GT500 rep essentially said that in so many words. Hopefully it's not so that our warranty is void if it blows up, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ford Legal didn't have a say in it. Ford is a wonderfull Company (evaluated as one of the 20 most respected US corporations of all time) and is historicaly very conservative. Even if Ford racing did the kit I'd feel much better than getting from Rausch or Saleen even though both of them have excellent reputations. We shall see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Is it not expected that Ford will likely offer individual parts aswell as packages for engine, and suspension mods??? I'd like to see a cold air intake kit. KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Is it not expected that Ford will likely offer individual parts aswell as packages for engine, and suspension mods??? I'd like to see a cold air intake kit. KingCobra. Hmm, that's a good question, KC. I really don't know but I'm thinking they'd handle it the same way they did for the supercharged Cabras of late, that is, if Ford or Ford Racing handled it at all. Anyone in here know if Ford/Ford Racing (as opposed to Rausch, Saleen, etc) offered a hypertech-like programmer and smaller s/c pulley (or larger crank pulley) for the more recent supercharged Cobras????? If not, did they just spec aftermarket part numbers???? If not, does anyone have experience with aftermarket kits for the Cobras???? What about Ford's warranty policy, i.e. do such mods void the engine warranty (I/m thinking yes, but....) Anyone have any insight ? If Five Oh B sees this he may have some insight. PS - I just did a quick search on the '03 Cobra and, while I didn't find any Ford Racing kits, the following link is indicative of what we can expect -- at least from the aftermarket: blower pulleys and crank pulleys, adjustable pulley idelers so you don't have to change the belt length every time you change to a diff pulley combo, cog-belts with zero slipping losses (kinda like the NHRA fuelers run), etc... But, your original question re Ford... I found nothing. This was just the first link I found as an example of what we might expect: Cobra aftermarket examples... ... As far as suspension parts.... I know Ford did the Can Am car and I've head they've done great this past year (based on the GT) -- in fact I heard they cleaned house! In fact the Ford GT500 rep in NY said that some of what they learned has been applied to the GT500, but I don't see how that could be parts for the production car as opposed to suspension 'tuning' (shocks/bars/coils). My understanding is the GT500 suspension is essentially the GTs with some tuning diffs, but I would expect Ford racing to be offering real suspension goodies based on what they learn with the Can Am car -- but that's just my expectation... no actual insight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVS2XS Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 68faqstback, The lower A-arm on the front suspension is a reverse L design - like on the Can-Am car. The rear incorporates a torque arm on the front of the differential and a panhard rod on the rear of it. The suspension tuning is done with the struts/shocks, sway bars, springs and bushing stiffness. The GT500 running the One Lap of America managed .916 G's in the Tire Rack skid pad on the same tires it had been running all week at the other various tracks - not bad. A Z06 Vette only managed slightly better, and another managed slightly less - http://onelapofamerica.com/history/2006/re...y=2006&res=EV19 Ford has shown recent interest in offering "Power Packages" through the Ford Racing Parts catalog. I would expect packages for the GT500 as well. Whipple is already listing the larger 3.3L blower/tuning upgrade as a Ford Racing package - http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1223 ALso, I question the 650 hp at 12 pounds of boost that you have mentioned. I don't think it is possible. 3.5 pounds of additional boost with tuning is NOT going to make an additional 150 hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Anyone in here know if Ford/Ford Racing (as opposed to Rausch, Saleen, etc) offered a hypertech-like programmer and smaller s/c pulley (or larger crank pulley) for the more recent supercharged Cobras????? If not, did they just spec aftermarket part numbers???? If not, does anyone have experience with aftermarket kits for the Cobras???? What about Ford's warranty policy, i.e. do such mods void the engine warranty (I/m thinking yes, but....) You ask we deliver. 1st up Fords last policy re aftermarket parts on terminators SVT responds to concerns about warranty/aftermarket parts 2nd is the Snake Charmer the 700 Hp FRPP whipplecharged what if that SVT and FRPP cooked up to show what factory parts could do. Snake Charmer/FRPP "But for all it does right-and that's a lot- this car really is a bad influence, the older kid your mom warned you about. It's Kiefer Sutherland in "Stand By Me," Marlon Brando in "The Wild Bunch." The year 2003 marked the Cobra's 10th anniversary, and now that it's 12, it's starting to smoke cigarettes and stay out late at night. It's done more bad things at a young age than Drew Barrymore, but since it's almost as pretty, we let it slide. But since we encourage this sort of behavior, it's our fault, too. Tell you what: for our punishment, we'll write "I will not speed and then blame it on my car" 100 times-with the Cobra's rear tires." And that's what COBRA's(and the GT500) are for DON'T MESS WITH THE SNAKIES!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 68faqstback, The lower A-arm on the front suspension is a reverse L design - like on the Can-Am car. The rear incorporates a torque arm on the front of the differential and a panhard rod on the rear of it. The suspension tuning is done with the struts/shocks, sway bars, springs and bushing stiffness. The GT500 running the One Lap of America managed .916 G's in the Tire Rack skid pad on the same tires it had been running all week at the other various tracks - not bad. A Z06 Vette only managed slightly better, and another managed slightly less - http://onelapofamerica.com/history/2006/re...y=2006&res=EV19 Ford has shown recent interest in offering "Power Packages" through the Ford Racing Parts catalog. I would expect packages for the GT500 as well. Whipple is already listing the larger 3.3L blower/tuning upgrade as a Ford Racing package - http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1223 ALso, I question the 650 hp at 12 pounds of boost that you have mentioned. I don't think it is possible. 3.5 pounds of additional boost with tuning is NOT going to make an additional 150 hp. Hey, SVS2XS.. thanks for all the good info.... So it sounds like the reverse lower A-arm is the only susp design change since the third link and panhard are already on the GT (though the GT500 components are befed, I'm told, the basic rear susp design is the same as the GT). And then the traditional shock/strut/sway upgrades would round out the tuning. That makes sense. Re the 650HP (600 rwHP) ... I admit it's a bit optimistic but I've read of '03 Cobras going from 385crank to 475 crank with similar changes.. but that's only 90HP not 125 (the rep said actual crank HP would be 525 crank, so 525 -->650 = 125). Then again, not clear how it was set up on the dyno... if it was on a bench dyno with no aircleaner and dumping from headers directly into extractor tubes, maybe it's doable... but I would not consider that a valid way to compare, and his comment to me of 600 rwHP would have to be in the car and through an air-cleaner and exhaust system of some sort. Hmmm, I guess I'm saying that the more I think about what he said the more I'm starting to doubt it or at least wanna know exactly how they evaluated it -- you may be right. Then again, maybe the bigger blower, bigger intake and better headers on the GT500 have some additional designed-in capacity beyond what's needed as it ships stock. He did actually say it dyno'd that way so that sure implies they actually tested some set of blower-boost, computer mods...whatever they were and how they tested I do not know. Great news on the 3.3L Whipple since that's a high-pitch full-screw type like the FordGT and the Whipple should be much better at higher revs and about 20% or so more efficient per HP spent driving it. I guess I'll have to first worry about actually getting a GT500 at an affordable price <grin> thanks again for all the good info... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 You ask we deliver. 1st up Fords last policy re aftermarket parts on terminators SVT responds to concerns about warranty/aftermarket parts 2nd is the Snake Charmer the 700 Hp FRPP whipplecharged what if that SVT and FRPP cooked up to show what factory parts could do. Snake Charmer/FRPP "But for all it does right-and that's a lot- this car really is a bad influence, the older kid your mom warned you about. It's Kiefer Sutherland in "Stand By Me," Marlon Brando in "The Wild Bunch." The year 2003 marked the Cobra's 10th anniversary, and now that it's 12, it's starting to smoke cigarettes and stay out late at night. It's done more bad things at a young age than Drew Barrymore, but since it's almost as pretty, we let it slide. But since we encourage this sort of behavior, it's our fault, too. Tell you what: for our punishment, we'll write "I will not speed and then blame it on my car" 100 times-with the Cobra's rear tires." And that's what COBRA's(and the GT500) are for DON'T MESS WITH THE SNAKIES!!!! Hey, jetsolver.. thanks for the links ! Sounds like Ford's warranty position on o/d'ing the blower if something fails would be: Prove that change didn't break it, sucker! Else, it's not covered.... I kinda suspected. But, oh, if the dome light goes out, you m-i-g-h-t be ok ;-) And I really like the Snake Cahrmer link...thanks....interesting to me that many of the changes they put on to get to over 600rwhp on that '03 Cobra (all Ford Racing goodies) are already upgraded on the GT500. I clicked on the link for the Whipple (at the end of the article) and they claim just the Whipple swap (in place of stock Rootes type on the '03Cobra) with no PCM, fuel pump or MAF meter upgrades, yielded 85 horsepower at the rear wheels and 50 ft./lbs. of torque... Can't wait to see what a 3.3L Whipple will do on the GT500. I figure someone should play with that by, whaddya think, July? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 I'm no techy, but I can't imagine how you could swap pulleys, or go to a Whipple without throwing off alot of other things requireing re-tune, maybe new crank, etc??? That's the thing that would hold me back. Even swapping to a cold air intake makes me nervous that I'm throwing off the balance. KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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