svttim Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I did not know this but, Carroll was aware of the new GT350 in 2012 and personally signed off on the deal. So much for those who said he had no knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr1961 Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 If I recall correctly, that cat was let out of the bag a few years ago, and at the time some people weren't too happy it was leaked at that point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Sak Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Considering ford used design ques from the wide body, I'm not all that surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 That's correct Tim. I know they met over 2013-2014 GT500 and the 5.2 which was already in the works in 2011. That's the story from Ford people involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAI-Steven Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I did not know this but, Carroll was aware of the new GT350 in 2012 and personally signed off on the deal. So much for those who said he had no knowledge Yes that is correct. I believe I've posted that info before on Team Shelby, who's saying that Carroll had no knowledge? I hope its not on Team Shelby? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I had wondered about how much involvement CS had in the new GT350, and I saw no evidence presented that he was involved in any meaningful way. Is there proof, beyond some Ford execs claiming it now, four years after he died, that exists he was involved and not just "informed"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 ^^ Yes that is correct. I believe I've posted that info before on Team Shelby, who's saying that Carroll had no knowledge? I hope its not on Team Shelby? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07gt500conv Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry T Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Awesome news ... Glad there is such a great connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I don't really see where any of this matters. Last I heard Henry Ford was no longer involved either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Yes that is correct. I believe I've posted that info before on Team Shelby, who's saying that Carroll had no knowledge? I hope its not on Team Shelby? Steve Thanks Steve, I have seen it here but, I cant remember where. Just thought it was worth posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAI-Steven Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Thanks Steve, I have seen it here but, I cant remember where. Just thought it was worth posting Absolutely worth posting, I just didn't realize there was a debate going on about it. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I don't really see where any of this matters. Last I heard Henry Ford was no longer involved either. Henry is very involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 So, I still have no answer to my question about the depth of CS's involvement in the new GT350, beyond "knowing" about it and signing a deal to hand over the rights to the name. Is there more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2shelbys Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 thats probably because it doesnt concern you, or any of us. the details of the dealings with Ford are what they are because that's what all involved parties agreed on. thus, the GT350 and the GT500 before it were and are intended to be the genuine article. the rest is none of your business, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Handler Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I don't really see where any of this matters. Last I heard Henry Ford was no longer involved either. That my friend is some funny $hit Meanwhile back to the original scheduled programming..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cmcmotorworks Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Yes that is correct. I believe I've posted that info before on Team Shelby, who's saying that Carroll had no knowledge? I hope its not on Team Shelby? Steve Absolutely worth posting, I just didn't realize there was a debate going on about it. Steve Don't look at me ! I didn't do it ! I'm already in enough trouble ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Don't look at me ! I didn't do it ! I'm already in enough trouble ! Yeah, and all you did was give away free T-shirts and mugs.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 So, I still have no answer to my question about the depth of CS's involvement in the new GT350, beyond "knowing" about it and signing a deal to hand over the rights to the name. Is there more? I certainly don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I certainly don't know I don't think anyone does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I don't think anyone does. Oh, that's not true. The fact is they have a much higher pay grade than any one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmcmotorworks Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Oh, that's not true. The fact is they have a much higher pay grade than any one here. Speak for yourself ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Johnston Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 I, for one, do not care as it would not change the development of the unique engineering on this performance Mustang on which Ford decided to use CS name and allow some funds to go to the CHS Trust. CS, R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted May 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 I, for one, do not care as it would not change the development of the unique engineering on this performance Mustang on which Ford decided to use CS name and allow some funds to go to the CHS Trust. CS, R.I.P. Ford was motivated by Carroll, Living up to his high standards. So, you may very well be incorrect. I posted this because it makes a small difference to me. I agree, Ford did the work. Not significant but, interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr1961 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I don’t know why anyone could think they are owed answers on the depth of Carroll’s involvement on the new GT-350. Some people just put burrs under their own saddles. Carroll has been quoted on more than one occasion over the years that he is not a car designer, and that he leaves that up to the experts. I would also think that if he allowed his name to be put on it, he was probably shown some concept drawings and an engineering write up and from there he provided his input and then “graced” it. The fact that he allowed his name to be put on it is enough for me and it should be for anybody else. He didn’t really “design” the 60/70s GT-350 or the 2011-2014 GT-350’s either, so why be so concerned about the new ones. Either way the new GT-350 is one heck of a nice example of purpose built harmonious engineering. Unlike the 2011 to 2014 GT-350, it is selling well and is generating some good race history like the 1965/66 models did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I never thought or said anyone owes me anything about my question. I was just trying to determine what to think of all the PR and people's claims of CS's involvement in the new GT350. The 2011-2014 GT350s hand built one at a time at SAI were never supposed to be a huge seller sales leader in the industry, certainly not like the mass factory produced Ford lines, but I don't see how that diminishes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra99 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I never thought or said anyone owes me anything about my question. I was just trying to determine what to think of all the PR and people's claims of CS's involvement in the new GT350. The 2011-2014 GT350s hand built one at a time at SAI were never supposed to be a huge seller sales leader in the industry, certainly not like the mass factory produced Ford lines, but I don't see how that diminishes them. I never thought or said anyone owes me anything about my question. I was just trying to determine what to think of all the PR and people's claims of CS's involvement in the new GT350. The 2011-2014 GT350s hand built one at a time at SAI were never supposed to be a huge seller sales leader in the industry, certainly not like the mass factory produced Ford lines, but I don't see how that diminishes them. So, I still have no answer to my question about the depth of CS's involvement in the new GT350, beyond "knowing" about it and signing a deal to hand over the rights to the name. Is there more? I had wondered about how much involvement CS had in the new GT350, and I saw no evidence presented that he was involved in any meaningful way. Is there proof, beyond some Ford execs claiming it now, four years after he died, that exists he was involved and not just "informed"? Don't you ever stop? Funny that you think the Gt350 from SAI are hand built. You do remember they are based off a GT that was mass produced at Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Don't you ever stop? Funny that you think the Gt350 from SAI are hand built. You do remember they are based off a GT that was mass produced at Ford? Have you ever been to SAI and seen how they build the GT350 or SuperSnake, etc? It is a quite involved and lengthy process, that takes much, much longer than the original build Ford does at Flat Rock of the donor car. But again, if you are determined to diminish and trash SAI cars, think what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondo Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Have you ever been to SAI and seen how they build the GT350 or SuperSnake, etc? It is a quite involved and lengthy process, that takes much, much longer than the original build Ford does at Flat Rock of the donor car. But again, if you are determined to diminish and trash SAI cars, think what you like. "Takes much longer.... diminish SAI cars..." :hysterical2: No, Mike, you're getting called out for your continued quest to "diminish" and "trash" the new GT350 starting even before the car was released. Let's expand your point of view a little more: Ford designs and manufactures the base car from scratch, which I'm sure is a longer and more involved process, and not just modifies an already existing car. How about you give us and Ford a break, Mike. It's gotten very old, seriously. You don't have to keep minimizing the new car to keep the value of your '13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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