sticker shock

[Torched10]

have my car in for service ( a new clutch safety switch) and wandered over to show room,Thet had several 2014 verts,ranging from 71 to 74K MSRP--no adders.Man i paid 53 for mine in 2009.Thats a 40% incresae in 4 years--and its still a Mustang. I know its 656 hp and all that, but cmon,thats Porsche,AMG et al territory.The Mustang brand is a good one, but not tha good.I wonder how many GT500s theyll sell this year.Imwondering if they are doing what the Chevy vette crowd did a few years ago, starting segmenting the market--the Z06, Gran Sport,ZR1, verts and coupes,I saw a really nice GT too and it was priced in the 40s..Wonder if toatl sales dollars are up for the Mustang line--Just curious

[IngotSilverSnake]

have my car in for service ( a new clutch safety switch) and wandered over to show room,Thet had several 2014 verts,ranging from 71 to 74K MSRP--no adders.Man i paid 53 for mine in 2009.Thats a 40% incresae in 4 years--and its still a Mustang. I know its 656 hp and all that, but cmon,thats Porsche,AMG et al territory.The Mustang brand is a good one, but not tha good.I wonder how many GT500s theyll sell this year.Imwondering if they are doing what the Chevy vette crowd did a few years ago, starting segmenting the market--the Z06, Gran Sport,ZR1, verts and coupes,I saw a really nice GT too and it was priced in the 40s..Wonder if toatl sales dollars are up for the Mustang line--Just curious

Agree with the sticker shock for sure. I paid $46K and some change for my 2012 brand new in Apr 2012 ($7K off MSRP). The dealer had the car for 8 months and the word was on the street about the 2013s. They cut the price drastically just to get rid of it. If I had to pay the current price for a new Shelby, I would be still be driving my 2012 5.0.

[Madlock]

The most expensive sticker configuration now exceeds $70K - for an S197 Mustang, and buyers are willing to pay every penny. Granted, there's also a goodly number I cars at $55K.

 

But compare it to C7, which barely commands more than $50K for a garden variety model - despite all its Star Wars technology and $50B in taxpayer funded development required to bring it to market - despite being comparable in performance to almost any $350K supercar.

 

It goes to show both just how MUCH brand equity the Blue Oval, Shelby and Mustang have built - while how little GM, Chevy, and Corvette command. And it's not just Corvette having become irrelevant and selling fewer than 1,500 per month. CTS-V has arguably been one of the world's best driver's sedans at HALF the price of serious contenders, yet it sells only a handful compared to more aspirational brands.

 

The simple fact is almost nobody thinks, "When I land the whale, the first thing I'm going to do is buy myself a 'Vette/CTS-V/or even ZL1. In the meantime, Ford is able to parlay about 70% of the same parts content found in a $22K V6 and buyers queue up to pay $60K-plus.

 

Personally, I think anybody who pays above sticker for anything other than a "last like" car is silly, but they only further demonstrate how valuable a franchise GT500 and Mustang are.

 

After all, in its last year of a nine-year run for S197, Mustang is outselling the refreshed Camaro an all its many sub-flavors - right up to the month Ford idled Flat Rock for Fusion conversion and training.

 

Make no mistake - these are the last of the pre-title massive displacement supercharged motors we'll see, probably ever an certainly at such a price point. Not that I don't also love and respect twin turbos, bu it's a different kettle of fish altogether.

 

Glad I got mine before they're gone. They're not coming back. What's new even may be better, but it won't be what we've got - not even close.

[jerseygator]

The most expensive sticker configuration now exceeds $70K - for an S197 Mustang, and buyers are willing to pay every penny. Granted, there's also a goodly number I cars at $55K.

 

But compare it to C7, which barely commands more than $50K for a garden variety model - despite all its Star Wars technology and $50B in taxpayer funded development required to bring it to market - despite being comparable in performance to almost any $350K supercar.

 

It goes to show both just how MUCH brand equity the Blue Oval, Shelby and Mustang have built - while how little GM, Chevy, and Corvette command. And it's not just Corvette having become irrelevant and selling fewer than 1,500 per month. CTS-V has arguably been one of the world's best driver's sedans at HALF the price of serious contenders, yet it sells only a handful compared to more aspirational brands.

 

The simple fact is almost nobody thinks, "When I land the whale, the first thing I'm going to do is buy myself a 'Vette/CTS-V/or even ZL1. In the meantime, Ford is able to parlay about 70% of the same parts content found in a $22K V6 and buyers queue up to pay $60K-plus.

 

Personally, I think anybody who pays above sticker for anything other than a "last like" car is silly, but they only further demonstrate how valuable a franchise GT500 and Mustang are.

 

After all, in its last year of a nine-year run for S197, Mustang is outselling the refreshed Camaro an all its many sub-flavors - right up to the month Ford idled Flat Rock for Fusion conversion and training.

 

Make no mistake - these are the last of the pre-title massive displacement supercharged motors we'll see, probably ever an certainly at such a price point. Not that I don't also love and respect twin turbos, bu it's a different kettle of fish altogether.

 

Glad I got mine before they're gone. They're not coming back. What's new even may be better, but it won't be what we've got - not even close.

 

 

Well said... I'm glad I have mine too!

[Torched10]

as usual well written note fromMadlock--- facts are a bit off though--- heres link toproduction numbers for Stang vs Camaro http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310512

Dont get me wrong I wouldnt take a Camaro if you gave it to me but facts are stubborn things.Just wondering what Ford is up to--Imnot going to get into a posting war here just curiuous about Gt500 numbers for say 2013 vs 2012 to see if unit sales are up or not.There are folks whopay enormous amounts of cash for performance cars,and Ford has been treating the Shelby as a niche car forever,just wondering if they are now making the GT500 into the supercar class going up against other supercars==lower volume and higher revenue,and drag the GT unit sales up--In My corporate life i did alot ot strategy/buisness development stuff, soi have a natural curiousity about stuff like this--maybe i should just keepit to myself

[rdrawkit]

I agree 100% .. Was at a car show last night and my 08 stood out a lot more than any 10-13 year .. Point is 6yr old style still is the BEST ONE... Just my .02c. But then I own it.... And LOVE IT Camaro and vette can not touch it for LOOKS

[Madlock]

as usual well written note fromMadlock--- facts are a bit off though--- heres link toproduction numbers for Stang vs Camaro http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310512

Dont get me wrong I wouldnt take a Camaro if you gave it to me but facts are stubborn things.Just wondering what Ford is up to--Imnot going to get into a posting war here just curiuous about Gt500 numbers for say 2013 vs 2012 to see if unit sales are up or not.There are folks whopay enormous amounts of cash for performance cars,and Ford has been treating the Shelby as a niche car forever,just wondering if they are now making the GT500 into the supercar class going up against other supercars==lower volume and higher revenue,and drag the GT unit sales up--In My corporate life i did alot ot strategy/buisness development stuff, soi have a natural curiousity about stuff like this--maybe i should just keepit to myself

 

Beg pardon, but in what respect are my numbers off? Mustang indeed lead Camaro sales until the impact of the Flat Rock idling when bespoke orders (which presumably would've been delivered immediately) and general inventory levels that couldn't be replenished diminished sales greatly. Since then, it'd only be natural for Camaro to have a stronger July due solely to the manufacturing cadence - and nobody knows what the September numbers will yet be. Camaro overtaking Mustang is only recent, and due to scheduled, non-demand factors that turned the prior like comparison from apples to oranges.

 

Unsurprisingly, the month when Camaro sales notably increased at the same time Mustang sales slowed was not only related to the month-long idling of Flat Rock, but exceptionally-heavy incentive activity by the already incentive-dependent GM to boost sales through both customer cash and back-end stair-step incentives paid to dealers, which even include the well-reviewed brand new Impala that hasn't yet been on dealer lots for 90 days.

 

GM just can't put down the crack pipe long enough to make money rather than cars.

[1 Alibi 2]

Must be me, the shock is they can sell a car for $ 54,800.00, ( base coupe ):

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662 hp / 631 tq, 200mph, ( 202 @ Nardo ), 24 mpg, 0 to 60 3.5 sec ( Ford specs )...........................looks like real value to me !!

[Torched10]

ok give up with my strategy questions

[Madlock]

Must be me, the shock is they can sell a car for $ 54,800.00, ( base coupe ):

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662 hp / 631 tq, 200mph, ( 202 @ Nardo ), 24 mpg, 0 to 60 3.5 sec ( Ford specs )...........................looks like real value to me !!

Amen.

 

I've got an option to pick-up an additional '14 Coupe, one I could either preserve - or use as a mod mule to keep my other(s) true to stock.

 

The opportunity to pick up a baseline car at such a relatively affordable price versus my general preference to own a fully-optioned car is truly a dilemma - albeit of the Ginger or Mary Ann variety, to which the obvious solution is BOTH... and ideally at the same time.

 

In fact, I'm somewhat kicking myself a bit after having JUST taken delivery and titled a '14 GT Coupe as a daily driver - replete with an automatic just for the sake of having ONE option for simply getting behind the wheel of a car that requires no effort. In retrospect, I could've had a baseline GT500 for scarcely more than another $10K.

Edited August 31, 2013 by Madlock