super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I've gone through numerous pages on google looking for locations in the Phoenix area, preferably Tempe... That sales hight octane unleaded fuel, does anyone know? I'm tired if old forums or dead end sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05mustangman Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) I've been doing the same thing. I have "heard" that the Valero near 101 and cave creek is supposed to have 100 Octane and also at the Scottsdale Auto Salon off Bell and 101. But a lot of these forums i see that on are old threads. So Im also interested to see what station Today have 100 octane available. Would like to get it in the 5 gallon containers. Edited May 30, 2013 by 05mustangman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I saw chandler and 44st and heard about propellar airports having it, we're going to need it, especially after we get bigger blowers... This worries me bc van said I need to run 100 oct. ill prolly need 2 tunes now, 91 and 100. Someone better tell us where to get fuel from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I've been doing the same thing. I have "heard" that the Valero near 101 and cave creek is supposed to have 100 Octane and also at the Scottsdale Auto Salon off Bell and 101. But a lot of these forums i see that on are old threads. So Im also interested to see what station Today have 100 octane available. Would like to get it in the 5 gallon containers. looks like we may have to keep bottles of torco in the trunk, 1 32oz bottle with 10 gal of 91 turns it into 102 octane. at 21$ per bottle, 130$ for a case of 6 plus shipping and handling unless you can buy it from the shelf... it doesnt seem that bad. theres another website that im looking at called race-gas.com, im asking them about the mixture and ratios b.c it doesnt specify but it looks alot more legit than torco. 30$ per 32oz or 165$ per case of six. we should keep bottles of these in our trunks until we find out more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 whats the price for a gal of 91 oct in phx right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Another thing you should look for is gas without ethanol, and Arizona looks like they have very few stations compared to most states, must be something funny about Arizona's gas laws: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Another thing you should look for is gas without ethanol, and Arizona looks like they have very few stations compared to most states, must be something funny about Arizona's gas laws: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=AZ What's ethanol do if its in your gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) What's ethanol do if its in your gas? Absorbs water and causes corrosion over time in the intake components and engine. And just wait till they raise it to E15 and beyond as they are trying now, it will get worse. http://www.usatoday....ngines/1873733/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine Edited May 30, 2013 by mikeljgt500kr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05mustangman Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 looks like we may have to keep bottles of torco in the trunk, 1 32oz bottle with 10 gal of 91 turns it into 102 octane. at 21$ per bottle, 130$ for a case of 6 plus shipping and handling unless you can buy it from the shelf... it doesnt seem that bad. theres another website that im looking at called race-gas.com, im asking them about the mixture and ratios b.c it doesnt specify but it looks alot more legit than torco. 30$ per 32oz or 165$ per case of six. we should keep bottles of these in our trunks until we find out more... I was told right from Shelby DO NOT run Torco or any additive products through the gas. I have been wondering about running a methanol kit like the snow performance kit. I have heard nothing but good things about running that on these cars. But yes I would definitely feel a lot better running 100 octane in the car. Gas right now in the Phoenix has been around $3.69 for premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05mustangman Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Another thing you should look for is gas without ethanol, and Arizona looks like they have very few stations compared to most states, must be something funny about Arizona's gas laws: http://pure-gas.org/...sp?stateprov=AZ Yes it is hard finding a station without Ethanol. Every station I have seen here has 10% Ethanol added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I always thought vmp was sketchy... Ill look into snow tonight and let you know what can find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Virtually impossible to not get E10 anymore. If you look at pure-gas most are airports or marinas or on rural areas that also service bulk fuel to farms and ranchers Edited May 30, 2013 by twobjshelbys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estedman Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I know it's not close to Phoenix but a couple of stations in Lake Havasu sell race gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 heres what were going to do 05stangman... e85 is more common in phoenix area than 100 oct, my suggestion is we get 3 maps for our tunes, 1 for e85 (daily driver) 1 for 100 octane (if located or for racing) and 1 for 91 oct, for we cant find anythign and we need to drive around... this will be a pain in the ass for my dyno, which means 3 different tunes and will cost me idk at the moment, but its the safest thing i can come up with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I just moved to Tucson and a Shell (Giant station)that has 100 octane pump Fuel 7.99 a gallon. Mixed half and half 91 / 100 and took and nice drive and ran great with my 95 Octane tune. Might be worth a drive with a few gas cans... Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't want to store fuel, and this is my frequently driven car when I'm home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't want to store fuel, and this is my frequently driven car when I'm home You might check out sunco fuel finder website http://www.racegas.com/fuelfinder Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 That's pretty useful, thAnks... There's 1 10 miles from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05mustangman Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 heres what were going to do 05stangman... e85 is more common in phoenix area than 100 oct, my suggestion is we get 3 maps for our tunes, 1 for e85 (daily driver) 1 for 100 octane (if located or for racing) and 1 for 91 oct, for we cant find anythign and we need to drive around... this will be a pain in the ass for my dyno, which means 3 different tunes and will cost me idk at the moment, but its the safest thing i can come up with Well is that easy to switch from a regular gas to E85? Because I hear a lot of people saying they are doing an E85 conversion. Does that mean that they are completely changing their fuel system? Can they run regular gas after the conversion? I would be interested in running a Methanol injection with some race gas. That should be plenty for running up to 900HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 my buddy that had an evo, like high 500 whp used e85. it had a quicker burn, his cams didnt lope as much when running off it, from what he told me, you need to adjust tunes each time when switching between 1 or the other... but you also need to be empty in the tank when switching from 1 to the other, he had a 2.5 gal fuel tank in his trunk with e85... and he would let it run empty on normal oct then turn it off, pour in the 2.5 gal of e85 and then retune it then drive to a e85 station and fill the whole tank, ill ask van what he knows about it and if you have to modify anything, because the evo driver... did not, he had a big turbo in there too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Racing Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 you can switch between fuels. You simply have to dump the E-85 and use a complete return style fuel system. Then you have a separate tune for E-85 and one for 91 for normal driving or a road trip. Feel free to call me with questions. I sell a complete return style system that will support 900 rwhp easily. Complete return style systems run $2500 to $3000 with rails, regulator etc. You'll also need larger injectors. Van 561-445-7702 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 How do the flex fuel are know what it is running? There is no "octane measurement device" so my guess is they use a knock sensor to infer and adjust spark and timing accordingly. It also has to be able to detect a pure E85 to pure gas mixture so again I'm guessing they're using knock sensors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Johnston Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 If you read the fine print on that yellow tag at the pump, it will say "up to xx percentage" . Very few E10 sites have the full 10 percent due to the cost at the refinery for the ethanol, which is mostly imported (so much for reducing import dependency). A lot of places that get the pumps spot tested in our state showed only 3 to 5% added. We can get non-ethanol gas at the pump in a few stations near boat harbors but it is usually only 87 rated. No one sells 91 to 93 octane non-ethanol. We do have one station that has 100 at the pump, but it has an E10 tag. Non-ethanol gas is only by the 5 gallon can at performance shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 im getting vans setup, saves $ in the long run and ill look a little bit more into this, i found something that said different seasons, winter and summer have a diff potency in the e85, tune off the summer crop so when winter comes youll run richer thats all. i also want to check the components to make sure theyre all e85 happy, nothing but the best for hiss hiss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeljgt500kr Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 If you read the fine print on that yellow tag at the pump, it will say "up to xx percentage" . Very few E10 sites have the full 10 percent due to the cost at the refinery for the ethanol, which is mostly imported (so much for reducing import dependency). A lot of places that get the pumps spot tested in our state showed only 3 to 5% added. We can get non-ethanol gas at the pump in a few stations near boat harbors but it is usually only 87 rated. No one sells 91 to 93 octane non-ethanol. We do have one station that has 100 at the pump, but it has an E10 tag. Non-ethanol gas is only by the 5 gallon can at performance shops. Interesting, in my state and an adjoining one (Texas), the recent tests have shown way over 10% ethanol in E10 pumps, up to 13-14%. You do know there is a government mandate and thus a financial incentive to push ethanol out the door at the refineries and bulk plants, don't you? Lots of money to be saved by not paying fines if you don't make your mandate quota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ... which is mostly imported (so much for reducing import dependency). Well, maybe in your are but in the midwest there are dedicated corn ethanol plants and fields of corn going there instead of to feeding cattle and pigs, so the price of meat is artificially inflated now for a .25 efficient fuel. Absolutely moronic. It only works because of government farm subsidies. It takes more fuel to grow the corn than it yields. Do not think about miles per gallon but instead cents (or dollars) per mile and you will see that alcohol fuels are one of the biggest boondoggles ever invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddL Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 There is a Loves station across the freeway from Firebird raceway that sells race gas. At least they did a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hiss Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 ok, im still trying to confirm about e85. CONS -can damage certin rubber seals -requires change in fuel pressure from oct to e85 -its harder to start in colder locations -its just under a 1/3 faster consuming than octane -you need to upgrade your fuel system to handle the higher need of flow and methanol friendly components -different e85 stations have inconsistent mixtures -you do not want to stow it for more than 30 days -you need to change your fuel filters more -and im trying to verify this, but it may gunk up some parts. im trying to find out how hard it is or how empty you have to be in order to swap between oct and e85. no where else on other forums does it state this but the guy im talking to says it can to you injectors and valves, yet the whole pro behind it is PROS -its cleaner than octane -you can get past emissions easier -very good for boosted applications -cooler charge to combust -cooler residue leaving -its equal to 102 octane -more available in the southwest -more know resistant and can handle higher levels of boost -leaner fuel - air ratio -cleaner burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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