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There are stereotypes of BMW, Audi and Mustang owners. In my 35 years on this planet, I have owned 5 Mustangs, 2 BMWs (including a 2002 M5 and 2003 X5 4.6is), an Audi RS6 and Jeep GC SRT8. I would rather be stereotyped as a high performance car enthusiast. I really wish people would not put down other cars/owners. Maybe I am an atypical owner of such vehicles (for example I am not married to one brand and I have never referred to my M5 as a "beamer" or "bimmer" and would cringe when people made such a reference). I also have to disagree that BMW never made a "muscle car". My 2002 M5 with its 400hp V-8 was a very sophisticated muscle car. With the right exhaust it made some of the nastiest sounds I have heard from any muscle car.

 

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So when the GT500 is for sale for MSRP- my choice will be GT500 - stock with 500hp and room to grow.

 

Or pay the same price for the BMW, then add something to it to void the warranty, and come out slower than the GT500 stock.

 

Yeah, tough call. NOT.

 

The new M3 will go for the same price the ADM's are putting the GT500 at. 500 HP means nothing. BMW's and most imported cars get more out of their Horsepower than Ford. With 420 HP I would bet the new M3 would keep up or beat a GT500 in the Quarter Mile stock vs stock and it will destroy it on the track. I like the GT500 and may own one at some point if they come down to MSRP. I do agree the 335 is a nice ride, but would not compare it to the GT500. M3 is a different story.

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The new M3 will go for the same price the ADM's are putting the GT500 at. 500 HP means nothing. BMW's and most imported cars get more out of their Horsepower than Ford. With 420 HP I would bet the new M3 would keep up or beat a GT500 in the Quarter Mile stock vs stock and it will destroy it on the track. I like the GT500 and may own one at some point if they come down to MSRP. I do agree the 335 is a nice ride, but would not compare it to the GT500. M3 is a different story.

 

 

I' sorry, I looked at the euro competition. True they have some advantages, but aint nothing like a SHELBY (his name alone conjures up a certain mystique). I tested Porsche, BMW and Audi. I liked Audi. You gotta admit, no matter what GM, DC, the Euro guys or the Japanese do FoMoCo got'em beat on this deal. Modern Muscle with no compromises.....the dealers know this and shame on some of them.

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what always keeps me from taking the plunge is: 1) the absurd preimium you have to pay for the brand name,

 

Most GT500 drivers paid a hefty premium. A hefty premium is absurd only to those who refuse to pay it. :)

 

2) the dealer gouging on non-warrnty service and,

 

For 4/50,000 BMW even picks up the tab for scheduled service. Extended warranties are available for those who like their cars enough to keep them longer than 4 years, and independent foreign car specialists are available for service.

 

3) the phony BS (read "Nose in the air") that so many of these BMW drivers seem to enjoy...that would ruin the ownership experience for me.

 

If I really liked a car, I wouldn't worry too much about real or imagined attitudes of other drivers of the same vehicle.

 

Besides, this thread was about a BMW owner who said he could get a Shelby for close to MSRP. Are these snobs the only ones who can work such a deal or are prices dropping?

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Most GT500 drivers paid a hefty premium. A hefty premium is absurd only to those who refuse to pay it. :)

For 4/50,000 BMW even picks up the tab for scheduled service. Extended warranties are available for those who like their cars enough to keep them longer than 4 years, and independent foreign car specialists are available for service.

If I really liked a car, I wouldn't worry too much about real or imagined attitudes of other drivers of the same vehicle.

 

Besides, this thread was about a BMW owner who said he could get a Shelby for close to MSRP. Are these snobs the only ones who can work such a deal or are prices dropping?

 

 

#1) Don't forget the GT500 is a special edition made in limited quantities (which prompts the ADM/preimum)....BMWs are not :)

 

#2) BMW had to include service due to the poor reputation of frequent and expensive service.....and should you need out of warranty service at a BMW dealer - ber ready to pay for the blue and white icon...of course they do call you Sir. :)

 

#3) Subjective, but no thanks :)

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#1) Don't forget the GT500 is a special edition made in limited quantities (which prompts the ADM/preimum)....BMWs are not :)

If you say so it's ok with me.

#2) BMW had to include service due to the poor reputation of frequent and expensive service.....

You have access to internal policy memos?

 

and should you need out of warranty service at a BMW dealer - ber ready to pay for the blue and white icon

I had a 1996 turbocharged Eagle Talon. Just before the warranty was up, I purchased an extended warranty. The new computer (ECU?) and new air conditioner it paid for weren't cheap either. My wife's high mileage SUV has an extended warranty. And how much you think that Shelby supercharger would set you back after the warranty expires?

 

I wouldn't own any car without a warranty, extended or otherwise. BTW, if maintenance is an issue with you, extended maintenance is available on a BMW also.

 

#1) Don't forget the GT500 is a special edition made in limited quantities (which prompts the ADM/preimum)....BMWs are not :)

 

of course they do call you Sir. :)

 

I presume you accompanied your friend to the BMW service department.

 

#3) Subjective, but no thanks :)

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Now, do you have any comment on the price quote the BMW owner got on a Shelby?

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I' sorry, I looked at the euro competition. True they have some advantages, but aint nothing like a SHELBY (his name alone conjures up a certain mystique). I tested Porsche, BMW and Audi. I liked Audi. You gotta admit, no matter what GM, DC, the Euro guys or the Japanese do FoMoCo got'em beat on this deal. Modern Muscle with no compromises.....the dealers know this and shame on some of them.

 

Park,

The new Shelby is a hell of a car, but if you think the BMW "M" badge does not conjure up a certain mystique you do not know much about BMW's. In this decade the M series BMW will go down as more of a performance car than any Mustang, including the GT500. No compromises, how about 3900 lbs and 57% of it on the front end. Sorry, I love the GT500 and might own one at some point if they reach MSRP, but the new M3 is 3300-3400 with 420 HP and a back seat just like the GT500. Add in that BMW always gets more out of their horsepower and it is a superior car, although when the GT500 is MSRP it is definately the better car for the money.

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Park,

The new Shelby is a hell of a car, but if you think the BMW "M" badge does not conjure up a certain mystique you do not know much about BMW's. In this decade the M series BMW will go down as more of a performance car than any Mustang, including the GT500. No compromises, how about 3900 lbs and 57% of it on the front end. Sorry, I love the GT500 and might own one at some point if they reach MSRP, but the new M3 is 3300-3400 with 420 HP and a back seat just like the GT500. Add in that BMW always gets more out of their horsepower and it is a superior car, although when the GT500 is MSRP it is definately the better car for the money.

 

 

Totally agree, the 'M' series as well as the AMG's, RS',SS', SRT's, Z cars, and even the tuner world rides all catch my eye and offer a certain exclusivness that their stock counterparts don't. I'm totally impressed with the BMW 6 series coupes. Aggressive and a classy ride.

 

However, I was just a kid when THE MAN, THE MYTH, AND THE LEGEND turned the li'l pony car into a monster and can remember begging my dad to take me to a Ford dealer to check it out (he only bought Chebbies). Its Mr Shelby and his long association with the Ford Mustang that grabbed me. Can you think of another car company that puts an auto icon on its best hot rod? His Chrysler years were unimpressive for me.... its the Mustang history too, man. Trust me, shame on some of these Ford dealers, I hope some of them become storefront churches in a few years. They jerked us around and you can pass the experience to family and friends to help speed up their demise....oakfield ford. Wait til after the 4th and they'll be calling you..... if I had lottsa dough I might have a BMW 650 next to the Shelby.

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Totally agree, the 'M' series as well as the AMG's, RS',SS', SRT's, Z cars, and even the tuner world rides all catch my eye and offer a certain exclusivness that their stock counterparts don't. I'm totally impressed with the BMW 6 series coupes. Aggressive and a classy ride.

 

However, I was just a kid when THE MAN, THE MYTH, AND THE LEGEND turned the li'l pony car into a monster and can remember begging my dad to take me to a Ford dealer to check it out (he only bought Chebbies). Its Mr Shelby and his long association with the Ford Mustang that grabbed me. Can you think of another car company that puts an auto icon on its best hot rod? His Chrysler years were unimpressive for me.... its the Mustang history too, man. Trust me, shame on some of these Ford dealers, I hope some of them become storefront churches in a few years. They jerked us around and you can pass the experience to family and friends to help speed up their demise....oakfield ford. Wait til after the 4th and they'll be calling you..... if I had lottsa dough I might have a BMW 650 next to the Shelby.

 

 

Oakfield Ford.....isn't that owned by Auto Nation?

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The new M3 will go for the same price the ADM's are putting the GT500 at. 500 HP means nothing. BMW's and most imported cars get more out of their Horsepower than Ford. With 420 HP I would bet the new M3 would keep up or beat a GT500 in the Quarter Mile stock vs stock and it will destroy it on the track. I like the GT500 and may own one at some point if they come down to MSRP. I do agree the 335 is a nice ride, but would not compare it to the GT500. M3 is a different story.

 

 

Park,

The new Shelby is a hell of a car, but if you think the BMW "M" badge does not conjure up a certain mystique you do not know much about BMW's. In this decade the M series BMW will go down as more of a performance car than any Mustang, including the GT500. No compromises, how about 3900 lbs and 57% of it on the front end. Sorry, I love the GT500 and might own one at some point if they reach MSRP, but the new M3 is 3300-3400 with 420 HP and a back seat just like the GT500. Add in that BMW always gets more out of their horsepower and it is a superior car, although when the GT500 is MSRP it is definately the better car for the money.

 

Iplayed with a NEW M3 on the highway. After I passed him only doing about 70-75 he got up behind me right on my bumper, obvoiusly trying to provoke me, well it worked, I stepped on it and pulled away from him pretty fast so I slowed down figgured I caught him off guard. He caught up, I did it again and just kept on it to see if he could keep up, he was trying, not!! HE,HE Not even close!! happy%20feet.gif

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... Add in that BMW always gets more out of their horsepower and it is a superior car...

 

I won't comment on the "superior car" subjective statement --

 

but I always shake my head when someone says 'XYZ always gets more out of their horsepower.'

It's no different than saying 'BMW autos always defy physics.'

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Iplayed with a NEW M3 on the highway. After I passed him only doing about 70-75 he got up behind me right on my bumper, obvoiusly trying to provoke me, well it worked, I stepped on it and pulled away from him pretty fast so I slowed down figgured I caught him off guard. He caught up, I did it again and just kept on it to see if he could keep up, he was trying, not!! HE,HE Not even close!! happy%20feet.gif

 

 

The New M3 is not even sold yet, not sure what you played with. Maybe a E36 or E46. The new one has about 100 more horses than the E46 and weighs the same.

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I won't comment on the "superior car" subjective statement --

 

but I always shake my head when someone says 'XYZ always gets more out of their horsepower.'

It's no different than saying 'BMW autos always defy physics.'

 

 

BMW M6 weighs more than the GT500, has the same HP, much less torque. That said, it is not even a drivers race, the M6 beats it every time. Traps over 120 in the quarter, find a stock GT500 that traps over 120 and is in the low 12's. That is what I mean. The E46 M3 had 333 N/A HP from a 6 Cylinder (Superior Engineering Indeed). That said, the Mustang Shelby GT with 325 HP or whatever Ford says it has now can not keep up with it. I love the Mustang, but I do not know how you can argue that BMW's are not Superior Cars. Not trying to start a BMW vs Ford thread, that would be ridiculous. They are not even in the same category, very rarely are they cross-shopped. Although, I am cross-shopping them and leaning towards the Mustang because of style and the good old American V-8.

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BMW M6 weighs more than the GT500, has the same HP, much less torque. That said, it is not even a drivers race, the M6 beats it every time. Traps over 120 in the quarter, find a stock GT500 that traps over 120 and is in the low 12's. That is what I mean. The E46 M3 had 333 N/A HP from a 6 Cylinder (Superior Engineering Indeed). That said, the Mustang Shelby GT with 325 HP or whatever Ford says it has now can not keep up with it. I love the Mustang, but I do not know how you can argue that BMW's are not Superior Cars. Not trying to start a BMW vs Ford thread, that would be ridiculous. They are not even in the same category, very rarely are they cross-shopped. Although, I am cross-shopping them and leaning towards the Mustang because of style and the good old American V-8.

 

 

carnut....what I see lost in this entire thread is that we are comparing apples to oranges...the GT500 is not trying to be a BMW! At MSRP (and prices are coming down) for the GT500 is an M6 REALLY in the same price catagory as the Shelby? I have family members and work associates who have BMW's (and I have looked at them myself on several occasions) they are wonderful, precision cars (but certainly not without their faults either) - but I'm looking for the seat of your pants V8 "SNARL", unique Mustang look, and the pony car heritage of the Mustang...no BMW can match that (in my mind at least) and throw in the Shelby name and the collectibility of this car and the GT500 is the clear choice for me. Not trying to start a flame war here...but a GT500 and M6 are not really in the same catagory - each has it's pro's and con's. I guess we all have our own definition of "Superior Cars" and it is a very subjective definition indeed. I have to say (subjectively) I'll spend my discretionary car purchasing dollars on the GT500 any day! Was just driving down the boulevard today with the top down (on my '07 GT/CS vert - GT500 is two weeks out) and shifting through the gears with that awesome V8 "back burbble" from the exhaust...it just puts a grin on your mug and makes you feel lucky to be alive and enjoying a bit of an American Icon with such an interesting heritage.....how can anyone put a price on that?

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That said, it is not even a drivers race, the M6 beats it every time. Traps over 120 in the quarter, find a stock GT500 that traps over 120 and is in the low 12's. That is what I mean.

 

That is light years away from saying "BMW gets more out of its horsepower." I don't believe in magic; HP is a matter of dollars. If X BMW beats Y Ford every time, it's the drivetrain that does it; not BMW magic dust in the tranny.

 

Now, if the BMW truly weighs more, has less HP/torque, bad gears, etc. etc. versus some particular car -- I guess I give and say the BMW is truly magic.

 

 

I do not know how you can argue that BMW's are not Superior Cars.

 

Because unlike HP, "superior" can't be measured objectively. Many people would call Hummer, Land Rover, Benz, etc. superior to just about any similar Ford car, despite the former generally having inferior reliability ratings. On the other hand, I know people that consider Honda or Toyota superior to anything made by humans.

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My wife drives a BMW X5 (the new '07) and we bought it because it was a good value. Awesome quality, superior materials, fit, finish and service. I-Drive sucks!!!!. My neighbors have BMWs and belong to the BMW club. We have yet to get into any kind of arguement about which cars are better or faster, thats like comparing a glass of fine wine to a cold beer. They will both get you drunk in the same amount of time, but that is where the similarities end.

 

Horsepower and torque are all about "area under the curve". Less peak horsepower does not a slower car make. Now that is what physics is all about!!

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carnut....what I see lost in this entire thread is that we are comparing apples to oranges...the GT500 is not trying to be a BMW! At MSRP (and prices are coming down) for the GT500 is an M6 REALLY in the same price catagory as the Shelby? I have family members and work associates who have BMW's (and I have looked at them myself on several occasions) they are wonderful, precision cars (but certainly not without their faults either) - but I'm looking for the seat of your pants V8 "SNARL", unique Mustang look, and the pony car heritage of the Mustang...no BMW can match that (in my mind at least) and throw in the Shelby name and the collectibility of this car and the GT500 is the clear choice for me. Not trying to start a flame war here...but a GT500 and M6 are not really in the same catagory - each has it's pro's and con's. I guess we all have our own definition of "Superior Cars" and it is a very subjective definition indeed. I have to say (subjectively) I'll spend my discretionary car purchasing dollars on the GT500 any day! Was just driving down the boulevard today with the top down (on my '07 GT/CS vert - GT500 is two weeks out) and shifting through the gears with that awesome V8 "back burbble" from the exhaust...it just puts a grin on your mug and makes you feel lucky to be alive and enjoying a bit of an American Icon with such an interesting heritage.....how can anyone put a price on that?

 

I agree 100% with your statements, that is why I am leaning towards a Mustang over another BMW. These are definately apples to oranges and I know the GT500 is not trying to be a M6, but I was trying to show how BMW gets more out of their HP. Maybe it is the Tranny that does it, but they still always manage to get faster cars will equal HP and less torque at similar weights. I guess when I said Superior car I really meant Superior Build quality and components, I should have worded it differently. Anyway, I am still leaning towards the Mustang, but I am anxiously awaiting what is coming down the pipe for next year. Hoping for a Boss and a Bullit. Congrats on the GT500!!!!!!!!! I am a big fan of the GT/CS as well, I like it in white.

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I agree 100% with your statements, that is why I am leaning towards a Mustang over another BMW. These are definately apples to oranges and I know the GT500 is not trying to be a M6, but I was trying to show how BMW gets more out of their HP. Maybe it is the Tranny that does it, but they still always manage to get faster cars will equal HP and less torque at similar weights. I guess when I said Superior car I really meant Superior Build quality and components, I should have worded it differently. Anyway, I am still leaning towards the Mustang, but I am anxiously awaiting what is coming down the pipe for next year. Hoping for a Boss and a Bullit. Congrats on the GT500!!!!!!!!! I am a big fan of the GT/CS as well, I like it in white.

 

carnut - thanks...as you can probably tell I CANT WAIT for the Shelby to arrive and am cruising the Shelby forums at least a 100 times a day :hysterical: I'm hoping Ford does come out with a Boss or Bullit too...somewhere in the 350 - 400hp range to fit right between the GT and the GT500. Funny thing is Ford's pricing is kind of goofy....once (if) the ADM's ever cease on the GT500's they are really not that much more expensive than a fully loaded GT (my '07 GT/CS vert was $37K fully loaded). Now with the Sheby GT coming in at the low 40's it's going to be interesting where Ford prices a 350 - 400hp Boss or Bullit....makes me think the GT500 is going to be increasing in price.....exciting time in Mustangland these days...I haven't seen so many "potent" editions of the Mustang since the late 60's - early 70's :happy feet:

 

And don't get me started if Ford makes the Bullit more of a road racer than 1/4 miler - I would think that would help attract others to the Mustang line who are not interested in a mostly straight line car.

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My wife drives a BMW X5 (the new '07) and we bought it because it was a good value. Awesome quality, superior materials, fit, finish and service. I-Drive sucks!!!!. My neighbors have BMWs and belong to the BMW club. We have yet to get into any kind of arguement about which cars are better or faster, thats like comparing a glass of fine wine to a cold beer. They will both get you drunk in the same amount of time, but that is where the similarities end.

 

Horsepower and torque are all about "area under the curve". Less peak horsepower does not a slower car make. Now that is what physics is all about!!

 

No argument here --- now if you phrase it in the manner it was originally stated; "BMW alwasy gets more out of its 'area under the curve' than another car with the same area under the curve'", I dispute the magic.

 

Now that is what physics is all about!!!

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FWIW, a Vishnu Tuned (PROcede) 335i with automatic tranny and drag radials ran a 12.56. Trapped something like 108. Not Shelby territory but not bad for 3 liters.

 

My neighbor had a Pinto like that. Oh, except for the number of liters. (5.0) headspin.gif But yeah, bimmers have better fit and finish. hysterical.gif

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Carnut12.

 

Fastest 2007 M6 i have seen with my own eyes had full exh. cams, tune. it ran 12.2 at 120 on DR's in really really good air . I have seen a few stock run mid 13's at 110-112 mph. I go to the gum with a guy that has a new m6 so befour i told him i was faster or slower stock i went out looking for an m6 to test i have found 2 to date one when i was stock and one modded. Both were on the turnpike from about 50mph up both did not even come close the one i ran when i was stock ran with me for 20 miles and never once could pull on me granted i never got more then a car on him (fastest i ever made it home btw)

 

Real word tests i have conducted more to come

F430 VS stock GT500 he couldnt pull me untill 120 mph the look on his face

NEW ZO6 vs mod. GT500 he pulled me sick car i think i need at least 575-600 rwhp to pull a stock z or a cold night

M6 vs stock GT500. pulled one car on him

M6 vs mod. GT500 . Pulled many many cars on him

Twin turbo G35 vs stock gt500 . He crushed me

500 awhp EVO vs mod. GT500 went both ways (sick car)

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Carnut12.

 

Fastest 2007 M6 i have seen with my own eyes had full exh. cams, tune. it ran 12.2 at 120 on DR's in really really good air . I have seen a few stock run mid 13's at 110-112 mph. I go to the gum with a guy that has a new m6 so befour i told him i was faster or slower stock i went out looking for an m6 to test i have found 2 to date one when i was stock and one modded. Both were on the turnpike from about 50mph up both did not even come close the one i ran when i was stock ran with me for 20 miles and never once could pull on me granted i never got more then a car on him (fastest i ever made it home btw)

 

Real word tests i have conducted more to come

F430 VS stock GT500 he couldnt pull me untill 120 mph the look on his face

NEW ZO6 vs mod. GT500 he pulled me sick car i think i need at least 575-600 rwhp to pull a stock z or a cold night

M6 vs stock GT500. pulled one car on him

M6 vs mod. GT500 . Pulled many many cars on him

Twin turbo G35 vs stock gt500 . He crushed me

500 awhp EVO vs mod. GT500 went both ways (sick car)

You should look up iastatefan's neighbor and see if you can beat his Pinto. Let us know how it goes. And don't forget to include a fit and finish comparison of the vehicles. :)

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You should look up iastatefan's neighbor and see if you can beat his Pinto. Let us know how it goes. And don't forget to include a fit and finish comparison of the vehicles. :)

 

 

Fit and finish only matter to my wife. I could care less if i have a few rattles and there is to much plastic in my mustang. If i wanted luxury i would drive a Lexus. I like american High performance. Why would i do a comparison on fit and finish when the topic of this forum is 99% performance. Should we get the mods to add a section where we can find info on turning our fit and finished challenged mustangs in to BMW'S to enjoy our

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Fit and finish only matter to my wife. I could care less if i have a few rattles and there is to much plastic in my mustang. If i wanted luxury i would drive a Lexus. I like american High performance. Why would i do a comparison on fit and finish when the topic of this forum is 99% performance. Should we get the mods to add a section where we can find info on turning our fit and finished challenged mustangs in to BMW'S to enjoy our

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I was trying to poke a little fun at iastatfan's "But yeah, bimmers have better fit and finish" statement. My attempt at humor fell flat, as usual. Sorry. Carry on.

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I was trying to poke a little fun at iastatfan's "But yeah, bimmers have better fit and finish" statement. My attempt at humor fell flat, as usual. Sorry. Carry on.

 

I think my smiley indicates my intentions with that comment, but...

 

Actually, the neighbor's Pinto was a beautiful car. The guy was a software geek by trade, but probably the best paint and body man I've ever personally known. His daily driver was a Camaro which he left completely stock, but he loved rebuilding Fords others gave up for dead. Another thread mentioned the Charlie's Angel Cobra II, he restored one of those also.

 

Unfortunately, I lost any decent pic I had of these cars. Remember those awful 110 cameras? Here's a scan of one of those snaps --- doesn't do the car any justice (plus the hood is off some reason.)

 

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He sold this car to a 19 year old kid and I believe in a matter of months some of the subframe connector welds cracked during a wheelie and the unibody bent. No surprise. I was like 15 when this was taken --- the ridiculous rear meats and vinyl top bring me back to those days. I had to love the 3 or 4 hell-raising rides I had in this thing ... the muscle era was long over.

 

Glad I've stuck around long enough to see The Return.

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