RACERX009 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Has anyone bleed the system having problem with shifting. I changed the fluids and had a shop try and bleed the slave cylinder. They said they cannot get to the bleeder it's on the inside the bell housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I THOUGHT that these were "self bleeding", you just pump it. Could be wrong though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASPONY Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I don't know that this helps or answers your question, but it's a link to a page in an on-line version of the entire shop manual. Sounds like it's self-bleeding. http://iihs.net/fsm/...viewfile=Clutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnoslo Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 According to the shop manual, to bleed the clutch it says to use a vacuum pump on the brake master resevoir and pump the clutch pedal at times. I think i also read that there's a bleeder on the clutch master cylinder somewhere but i can't be sure, and that's to bleed the clutch master anyways. Hope this helps at least a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Pump the pedal - it is indeed self bleeding. If you still have issues, utilize a vacuum pump on the master resevoir - the method involves creating a vacuum through the cap, then release it quickly to draw out air. (kind of like opening a bottle of beer!) I don't think there is a bleeder on the slave cylinder - I didn't look because I never replaced the slave, (which I should have done!). Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.Marquez Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Vacuum bleeding is the right way, and it works very well in just minutes. Some claim they get good results by pumping the pedal a few hundred times... I’ve only done 5 clutches on these cars, so my experience is limited to those…but with the 1st one, “self bleeding” produced a crappy pedal feel, and poor function. 5 min of vacuum bleeding IAW the service manual procedure and the clutch action was vastly improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.Marquez Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't think there is a bleeder on the slave cylinder - I didn't look because I never replaced the slave, (which I should have done!). Your correct, there is not one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lgs ShelbyGT Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Lots of pumping the clutch pedal over a few days after the installing a new clutch, clutch slave cylinder (CSC) & SS clutch hydraulic line 0 issues & perfect clutch pedal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Update after my scare at a friends shop and them telling me my clutch problem is from my electrical system !!! Yes I did an under carriage check no leaks and followed the lines. I noticed something weird on how the master cylinder cap tightened down upon a visual. I discovered the cap is now slightly oval then pulling the rubber cover out. I find a nice little tear in the center of the rubber over which allowed fluid past it so to fix it for now. I sealed it with a rubber skin for now and got my pedal back !! My buddy was laughing at the electrical thing he owns 4 shops and he said next time just use the bay. Scary stuff I could have saved myself a headache and went to my cousin shop but as most know family comes with a bigger price. I would have been put to work for the use of an engine bay. But as I always say look at the simple stuff before doing a teardown and it would have been costly for a bad cap and seal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewnagle1964 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I think I have an extra cap left me know if you want it and if so I will go out to the garage and look for it. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.Marquez Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 The cap sealing of not would not effect the clutch bleeding air from the system... It's not really sealed in any case. The cap is vented, the rubber bladder moves with fluid usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks Andrew but I will pick one up from my buddy's shop. I have to admit being back on my old stomping ground saves me a lot of cash. Plus the access to shop bays is a major plus. But already been asked to work and that is not in my agenda. I lost 5yrs of my life and need to make it up. As far as the whole master cylinder it's a sealed unit other wise you mash your break pedal and there would be brake fluid pissing out. As for the rubber condom pulls down when fluid levels drop. If it was vented the rubber condom would never move. Plus contamination of the brake fluid from the moist air would kill your brake fluid in months causing damage to the hydraulic system. Like rust which happens when fluid is exposed to.air and brake does not like moist air. Plus how do you build pressure without a seal system?? I don't know much about cars just went to an tech school and worked my family shop and dealerships. Then their was the time I turned wrenches for the feds fleet of vehicles. But you may be right. Similar to a bullet going off in a chamber if there was a vent the bullet would sit there and blow your hand off but it's sealed till that nice explosion that send the bullet flying out no pressure no motion. But again I could be wrong at 47 u lose brain cells!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Hydraulic brake This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (June 2008)A schematic illustrating the major components of a hydraulic disc brake systemThe hydraulic brake is an arrangement of braking mechanism which uses brake fluid, typically containing ethylene glycol, to transfer pressure from the controlling unit, which is usually near the operator of the vehicle, to the actual brake mechanism, which is usually at or near the wheel of the vehicle. ShowHistory ShowConstruction HideSystem Operation Within a hydraulic brake system, as the brake pedal is pressed, a pushrod exerts force on the piston(s) in the master cylinder causing fluid from the brake fluid reservoir to flow into a pressure chamber through a compensating port which results in an increase in the pressure of the entire hydraulic system. This forces fluid through the hydraulic lines toward one or more calipers where it acts upon one or two caliper pistons sealed by one or more seated O-rings which prevent the escape of any fluid from around the piston.The brake caliper pistons then apply force to the brake pads. This causes them to be pushed against the spinning rotor, and the friction between the pads and the rotor causes a braking torque to be generated, slowing the vehicle. Heat generated from this friction is either dissipated through vents and channels in the rotor or conducted through the pads themselves which are made of specialized heat-tolerant materials such as kevlar or sintered glass.Subsequent release of the brake pedal/ lever allows spring(s) to return the master piston(s) back into position. This relieves the hydraulic pressure on the caliper allowing the brake piston in the caliper assembly to slide back into its housing and the brake pads to release the rotor. The hydraulic braking system is designed as a closed system: unless there is a leak within the system, none of the brake fluid enters or leaves it, nor does it get consumed through use.Close this section ShowAn example of a hydraulic brake system ShowComponent specifics ShowSpecial considerations ShowSee also ShowReferences ShowExternal links ShowPatents ShowRead in another language Showmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Pretty sure the reservoir doesn't have any pressure build up at all and also pretty sure it IS "vented". All the reservoir does is keep the piston from pulling air, and IF there is a leak in the system, provides a window of use before the brakes fail completely. If there was no vent, the fluid wouldn't want to "fall" into the system, thus the "vented" diaphragm keeps it sealed from moisture but still allows the fluid to move freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I guess that post I pasted was wrong too !!!! So I can get a bottle of brake fluid and leave it out in the open. Then use as fresh fluid in your car ?? Maybe my specialty is law. So if a person walks up to you and screams at you then slaps you across the face. Is it harassment ?? Im sure u goes know more than me only was a cop for 14yrs. This is why I do not post on here anymore you guys are just to smart for me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.Marquez Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I guess that post I pasted was wrong too !!!! So I can get a bottle of brake fluid and leave it out in the open. Then use as fresh fluid in your car ?? Maybe my specialty is law. So if a person walks up to you and screams at you then slaps you across the face. Is it harassment ?? Im sure u goes know more than me only was a cop for 14yrs. This is why I do not post on here anymore you guys are just to smart for me !! You mean when like a guy claiming to know a lot, be a tech, ect, and then asks a basic question, one covered is simple to understand detail in a very easy to find factory service manual, A question like "Has anyone bleed the system having problem with shifting. I changed the fluids and had a shop try and bleed the slave cylinder. They said they cannot get to the bleeder it's on the inside the bell housing." gets the correct answer, and then goes off on many in the same thread? You mena like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's assault and battery. Don't get butt hurt. The diaphragm keeps the air/contamination out, the vent is above the diaphragm. Part of what you said was wrong. Part of it correct. It's not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 As for Ms. Mena. I do not claim I have done when I did the post I was at the shop. I currently am homeless at my mom's due to my split with my wife so no tools. I was looking for a simple way of fixing my problem. Since sealing the master cylinder cap for some f in reason my clutch is working. So you figure it out why it is working for me !!! Plus my anger was not directed at u !! Plus I have know clue who u are and u know nothing of me. So keep ur wise comments to yourself !! I always have a heated debate with my son Junior !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewnagle1964 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Thanks Andrew but I will pick one up from my buddy's shop. ...... But again I could be wrong at 47 u lose brain cells!! No kidding will be 48 next month and not as sharp as when I was in my 30's Glad you got it worked out and good luck with everything else Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 As for Junior its harassment unless it's a domestic as in family. Smarty Second if you do a brake job and leave the cap on the master tight what will happen ??? Yes some master cylinder have a vented cap but it does not allow any air in and is only for release of excess pressure like compressing a caliper piston with the cap on the master cylinder. Your serve and for Christmas u get to help me paint my old rims !!! Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 No kidding will be 48 next month and not as sharp as when I was in my 30's Glad you got it worked out and good luck with everything else Andrew Thanks bud and nothin worse than missing my kid and my 2 car garage!! I may need to be bailed out of jail my neighbour says my f100 is not at the house. Divorce is hell !!! Hope all is well regards to the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 As for Junior its harassment unless it's a domestic as in family. Smarty Second if you do a brake job and leave the cap on the master tight what will happen ??? Yes some master cylinder have a vented cap but it does not allow any air in and is only for release of excess pressure like compressing a caliper piston with the cap on the master cylinder. Your serve and for Christmas u get to help me paint my old rims !!! Son Does a slap not cause enough harm to qualify as battery? I don't doubt that it wouldn't generally be charged as such, but by definition it is battery. Harassment (to my knowledge) would require there to be a pattern of that behavior, not simply a one time yelling and a slap. Kinda off topic though. You are CORRECT that leaving the cap on while compressing a caliper is bad, but that's not the purpose of the vent. It's only there to allow the diaphragm to move along with the fluid under normal use. It allows air to move in and out ABOVE the diaphragm so that the fluid remains sealed off from the atmosphere without creating a vacuum inside the reservoir that would prevent fluid from going where it's needed. I think that if fluid comes out the vent it means you likely have torn the diaphragm. That's a long drive just to paint some rims... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Does a slap not cause enough harm to qualify as battery? I don't doubt that it wouldn't generally be charged as such, but by definition it is battery. Harassment (to my knowledge) would require there to be a pattern of that behavior, not simply a one time yelling and a slap. Kinda off topic though. You are CORRECT that leaving the cap on while compressing a caliper is bad, but that's not the purpose of the vent. It's only there to allow the diaphragm to move along with the fluid under normal use. It allows air to move in and out ABOVE the diaphragm so that the fluid remains sealed off from the atmosphere without creating a vacuum inside the reservoir that would prevent fluid from going where it's needed. I think that if fluid comes out the vent it means you likely have torn the diaphragm. That's a long drive just to paint some rims... Bingo and thats what I found a tini tiny tear !!! I know you will love my cure since here on poop island everything has been closed. I used Saran wrap and it works for now. Your serve !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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