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Friends of the forum,

 

I purchased a new part # M-6066-M11P7, which is a Ford Racing Whipple Supercharger with 550 HP for a manual transmission for my 07 SGT. This was installed my mechanic at Huber performance who specialize in performance race mustangs. Everything went great with the install for the manual is straight forward and everything is plug and play for the most part. I used my voucher that came with my kit to order the ProCal tuner and chip.

 

To regress slightly, a few weeks before Huber installed 4:10 gears in place of my stock 3:55's. I ordered a tool from Ford Racing to calibrate my speedo then sent the tool back to Ford. All is good car ran great!

 

The new ProCal tuner and chip arrived and my mechanic tried to install but the tuner would not work. Ford then next dayed my a new tuner and chip to go with it. Huber then tried install the new tune and the tool worked but the chip would not? I called Ford Racing an they forgot to put the tune on the chip and they next dayed me a new chip. Huber installed the tune and all was good I thought...

 

I was so excited that my car was finally finished after waiting 6 weeks for the SC and which seemed forever for the car to get completed. I did not let Huber test drive the car. I took off and that is when all the problems started:

 

1. My airbag light came on.

2. I had no power in the car and it was like I did not even have a SC.

3. Engine light came on but went off in a minute.

 

I babied the car home and called Huber. He told me to hook up my Procal tuner and send Ford racing the codes that came up in my tuner:

 

PCM 07E0

TCM 07E1

ICM 0720

ABS 0760

SJB 0726

4x4 0761

USR 0700

 

Ford Racing was very confused and said these codes were codes for an automatic transmission and a 4x4? They thought it may be a voltage problem.

 

I had Huber come to my house and use their computer and these are the codes and items that came up:

 

14.3 volts

 

Misfire in cylinders #1, #4, and #8

 

Codes:

P0300

P0301

P0304

P0308

B2292

 

These codes were continuous and came up with the key in the on position and when the car was running.

 

The volts obviousily are great. I pulled the plug in cylinder #1 and it was fine. The car smells like it is running lean?! We cleared the codes and took it for a very short controled drive then hooked it back up to the computer and both sets of the same codes came up again? I checked all the wires on the install and everything is in check? Does anyone any clue why these codes are coming up? Ford Racing engineers are dumb founded and do not have any answers for me? I told them I thought the problem was in the tuner or chip but these said it was not? Is there something that could damage these chips in transit? Static or a magnet? PLEASE HELP! DO I have my PCM cleared andd start over; would that help!? Any Ideas!

 

Thanks in advance

Chris

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My procal doesn't have that, didn't know they did it that way now...

 

 

It's a SD card. Pull the rubber protector cover and there's a SD slot on the Pro-Cal tuner.

 

To the OP; It sounds like you have the wrong tune for your car. Is there a way Ford Racing can verify it?

 

 

Phill

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Phil,

 

They are swearing the tune is correct!? They are confused why car is throwing those codes; auto transmission and 4 x 4!? They are saying that there is no way that those codes would be on that tune? I asked several times for them to send me yet another new tune and another ProCal tuner and they are refusing! I am at a lost of ideas. Does anyone on here have any pull with Ford Racing?

 

Chris

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I was dealing with Ray then they switch me to Steve. I have been dealing with him for the past two weeks. I sent him a very point email late on friday when he did not get back to me at the work days end. I wonder if I can send my PCM to them along with my ProCal tuner and SD card and Ford Racing make this all right? I have missed two shows already because of all these issues. This should not be this difficult?!

 

Chris

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They are confused why car is throwing those codes; auto transmission and 4 x 4!? They are saying that there is no way that those codes would be on that tune?

 

 

Exactly! That's why I think they sent you the wrong tune. Does the VIN check out?

 

I'm thinkin' maybe you can find someone to view the LOC and see if it's for your car CI/Trans/etc.

 

 

Phill

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Phil,

They are swearing the tune is correct!? They are confused why car is throwing those codes; auto transmission and 4 x 4!? They are saying that there is no way that those codes would be on that tune? I asked several times for them to send me yet another new tune and another ProCal tuner and they are refusing! I am at a lost of ideas. Does anyone on here have any pull with Ford Racing?

 

 

 

Here's a real simple question you can ask them: If it's the right tune, how can it be throwing THOSE codes????????

 

 

Phill

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Funny...I asked that same question! LOL. His reply was, Ford Racing's tune is not making your car throw those codes! Again funny because my cylinders were not misfiring before the tune? He keeps saying that he and their engineer believe it is a voltage issue! But the are at 14.3 extactly! This is perfect. They keep trying to wipe their hands of it after me spending $7000 threw them!

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Ray Herron is who I dealt with, I thought he was great, but apparently you've already had bad luck with him so not sure what to tell ya... I do feel for ya though, gotta suck to have issues like that for sure!!!

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this is definitely am interesting problem. does it idle fine with the tune or is it missing with the tune at idle? it miss only at higher rpms?

what kind of plugs do you have in their? heat range?

 

i would seriously consider ordering an SCT and getting it dyno tuned locally. i tried the remote tuning crap with my car and it just wasn't working.

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It idled fine after I cleared out the codes. Then when I drove it around my neighborhood the codes came back and it idled rough again. It does miss at higher RPM's.The plugs are brand new that came with the kit. I just have a real hard time spending more $'s after dropping $7000 for the kit. You would think Ford would want to make this right?

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ford is used to people yanking their chain, this unfortunately hurts the honest people who buy from them.

 

have you datalogged what the engines doing?

 

i would say your seeing spark blowout but thats not the case if its idling rough. this has to be a software issue, id look at changing the tune. thats about the only thing that will confirm it as a tune issue. my bet is that if theres nothing mechanicaly wrong(im assuming here there isnt) the computer learns what the engines doing after you've loaded a fresh tune and makes adjustments, these adjustments are throwing everything out of wack.

 

one of my buddies had this problem with a well known tuner. his gt500 should have been running mid 11's. he couldnt even crack 12s. felt low on power. went back and forth with the tuner for 4 weeks. the tuner SWORE up and down the tune was perfect and it had to be mechanical. ran test after test. finaly pestered the tuner to go over the entire tune line by line...... the tuner had set the tune to pull 10 degrees of timing for every 10 degree temp increase from the maf...... his car was running with no advanced timing at all. he switched to a different tuner and the first time out he busted out a low twelve on his run and got faster every run after that.

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If you've double and triple checked the install and found nothing - loose wire, bad plug, wrong MAF, etc., it probably is the tune. As someone suggested, (and I know you don't want to hear this), find a reputable tuner with a dyno. Justin at VMP Tuning is one of the best and might be able to assist via email even though he uses SCT tuners.

 

Sam

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  • 2 weeks later...

Well guys problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to thank all of you for you comments, pm's, and emails. At the end of the day my mechanic came up with the solution of the problem. He said it was the plugs, he said he came up with the idea in the middle of the night. The symtoms were all leading him to think that something was blowing the spark out on the plugs. After 3 days of telling Ford Racing this they finally comp'ed me a set of new plugs. The plugs arrived and I compared them to the ones in the car. The part numbers were the same but the ends of the plugs were completly different??????? So much so my mechanic was hesitant about putting them in.....then we decided what the hell! We put them in and the car ran like a champ!!!! No issues! WOW, holy crap this car is fast!!!!!!! I called Ford racing in the AM and told them and they said whipple changes the end of the plugs along with the gap after they receive them for Ford Racing and they could have been damaged in the process? WTF?! It took 3.5 weeks to get to the bottom of this issues with no help from the Ford Racing engineers, the just keep blaming my mechanic! I will say that Ray Herron and Ford racing returned and answered every phone call and email. he was very responsive.

 

The one issue that I still have outstanding is that my airbag light is still on? Anyone have any idea what this could be?

 

Thanks

Chris

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plugs were mis-gaped? ive never heard of spark blowout at idle, guess you learn something new every day.

 

 

take it to the dealer. airbags are not to be toyed with ever. i have no comments on them as i dont mess with them PERIOD. too many ways to get mauled.

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When you did the supercharger install, did you also install the Shelby gauge pod? If so, when tapping into the wires underneath the dash, the instructions tell you which wire to use - white with a yellow stripe if I remember correctly.

 

Unfortunately, if you are the slightest bit color blind, there are THREE wires in the bundle that look VERY SIMILAR in color! If you tap into the wrong wire: 1) Your windshield wipers will run on intermittent, even if you have them turned off! (this is the wrong wire, find another!) 2) Your airbag light will come on and refuse to go off! (wrong wire again, find another!) 3) Your gauges will work properly and everything is good! (You found the correct wire!)

 

Don't bother to ask, that's what happened to me!

 

Sam

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