bigsnake Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I have seen where the Camaro ZL1 ran a 2.52.4 at V.I.R. Do we have a time yet for the 13 Shelby or maybe some estimate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Well, it was doing ok for a while. Also at VIR today. Someone always has to be first! http://blogs.hotrod....-vir-21095.html Edited February 28, 2012 by JeffJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulanzo Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 6 seconds better than the 2011 GT500 is not too shabby. Too bad it ended up as a smear in a ditch. I saw one of these at the Toronto Autoshow, and while it IS nice, it's just not my cup of tea. My fiancé thought it was big but she liked the colour haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 On the full course at VIR a time of 2:52 is a totally sucky time. Are you sure about your numbers? Most average stock cars right now run in the low 2 minute range, 2:15 to 2:35. Unless someone's grandmother was driving the 'Maro. Really? Some lap times from Car & Driver's "Lightning Lap" (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8): 1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08 2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08 3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11 4 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12 5 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10 6 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11 7 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10 [2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1] 8 2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12 9 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11 10 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10 11 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08 12 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08 13 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11 14 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07 15 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11 16 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10 17 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11 18 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07 19 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10 20 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08 21 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10 22 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06 23 3:00.7 PORSCHE PANAMERA TURBO S LL4 2/12 24 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06 25 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08 26 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06 27 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07 28 3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA LL2 2/12 29 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07 30 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11 31 3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R LL3 2/12 32 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08 33 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11 Some lap times fastlaps.com (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html): Lap times (111) Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by 1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 - 2. Mosler MT 900S 2:45.90 0 441 / 1100 3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536 4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '02 441 / 973 5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:50.70 '08 647 / 1530 6. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:51.80 '08 647 / 1530 Mark Gillies 7. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430 8. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871 [2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1] 9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736 10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394 11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies 12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402 13. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 479 / 1740 14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400 15. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567 16. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585 17. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies 18. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620 19. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.00 0 659 / 1750 The RED one looks interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 i think chevy is using a ringer car to promote the times that they are getting.i dont think the zl1 that will be for sale to the public will do the times that they are claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Ouch, first zl1 down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Shelby Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I am sure Ford has a very similar time available when they finally bring out the new shelby. Not a fan of the ZL1 but very fast time indeed. VIR has some long straights does it not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 It was on the "Grand Course". See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5heLDdlJfbE&feature=player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush GR40 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 The Camaro was running on the grand course (not full course)...and as such it was a respectible time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush GR40 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Well, it was doing ok for a while. Also at VIR today. Someone always has to be first! http://blogs.hotrod....-vir-21095.html watch the video as he comes off T10 (approx 1:10)....probably the same place we he later wrecked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushinator Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 That's very impressive! The 2:58 the '11 GT500 ran was a great time for a pony car...but a whole 6 seconds faster than that is flat out fast. I'll really be surprised if the '13 GT500 can beat that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtkeith Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Really? Some lap times from Car & Driver's "Lightning Lap" (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8): 1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08 2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08 3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11 4 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12 5 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10 6 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11 7 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10 [2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1] 8 2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12 9 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11 10 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10 11 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08 12 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08 13 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11 14 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07 15 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11 16 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10 17 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11 18 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07 19 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10 20 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08 21 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10 22 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06 23 3:00.7 PORSCHE PANAMERA TURBO S LL4 2/12 24 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06 25 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08 26 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06 27 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07 28 3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA LL2 2/12 29 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07 30 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11 31 3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R LL3 2/12 32 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08 33 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11 Some lap times fastlaps.com (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html): Lap times (111) Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by 1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 - 2. Mosler MT 900S 2:45.90 0 441 / 1100 3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536 4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '02 441 / 973 5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:50.70 '08 647 / 1530 6. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:51.80 '08 647 / 1530 Mark Gillies 7. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430 8. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871 [2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1] 9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736 10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394 11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies 12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402 13. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 479 / 1740 14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400 15. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567 16. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585 17. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies 18. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620 19. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.00 0 659 / 1750 The RED one looks interesting... Thats some pretty damn good company that the ZL1 is keeping right there!!...Thats freaking fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtkeith Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 It was on the "Grand Course". See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5heLDdlJfbE&feature=player_embedded Awesome vid thanks for sharing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 The Camaro was running on the grand course (not full course)...and as such it was a respectible time. That's beyond respectable, it blows a lot of really nice cars away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 The Camaro was running on the grand course (not full course)...and as such it was a respectible time. I saw the G-meter hit 1.5 lateral g's going through a right hander. That's VERY respectable. I wonder what tires they had on that thing? They were barely squeeling most of the time, even on HARD turns. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.s Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 ugly or not this car is fast and vir looks like a helluva course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Dang; this car has everything from looks to power, this is incredible. Mustang vs Camaro, only a few months away. This battle is brewing to be a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRA32 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) I think GM's numbers may be a little bit on the Low side compared to what every one else will produce. Road and Track pit the ZL1 against the GTR and on the track it was not even close the GTR schooled it. So GM numbers I would call into question as actual stock times. Edited February 29, 2012 by COBRA32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I think GM's numbers may be a little bit on the Low side compared to what every one else will produce. Road and Track pit the ZL1 against the GTR and on the track it was not even close the GTR schooled it. So GM numbers I would call into question as actual stock times. im you have noticed that too.i said that way back on this topic.they are most likely using a ringer car to get their numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I wonder what tires they had on that thing? They were barely squeeling most of the time, even on HARD turns. Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 im you have noticed that too.i said that way back on this topic.they are most likely using a ringer car to get their numbers. More likely a ringer driver rather than a ringer car, or a little of both. Not taking anything away from the ZL1, it's going to be a heck of a track car right out of the box, similar with what Ford did with the LS Boss, but with mongo more power. Times are just times to some extent. Unless it's the same driver, same track conditions, same weather (humidity, density of air mass, etc.) it's tough to have comparative times unless actually in a race. One day to the next could be a completely different story. Not by huge amounts (unless wet), but substantial when you are talking hundredths and thousandths of seconds. Even full seconds. I can't wait for the comparisons once the 2013 500 comes out. I would guess at some tracks, the ZL1 can actually take it. Hard to say withough knowing exactly what is going to be different suspension wise with the 500. Power, no question, the 500 is going to be brutal. With some of the new suspension dynamics, it's going to be fun to see how it all works out! Just like a 2012 GT500 vs. the LS Boss. The Boss can take it on some tracks due to the much better handling characteristics out of the box. If you talk modifications to the suspension, well then it just get's silly and tough to compare. However I beleive that the GT500 will be much easier to modify to make go around corners better, as it's a known, pretty simple set up. The Camaro is pretty complex and will take longer for guys to figure it out how to modify. The GT500 with minor modifications will make it quite a bit quicker on the road courses than the ZL1, then again, maybe it already will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I can't wait for the comparisons once the 2013 500 comes out. I would guess at some tracks, the ZL1 can actually take it. Hard to say withough knowing exactly what is going to be different suspension wise with the 500. Power, no question, the 500 is going to be brutal. With some of the new suspension dynamics, it's going to be fun to see how it all works out! When I was at the Chicago Auto Show at the Chevy Camaro ZL1 spot, I was checking it out closely and talking to my father. My dad is more of an old car fan, but is very impressed by the horsepower wars going on. While commenting he asked me "But the thing I don't see is how this thing can hold up to the new Mustang" Just then some guy with a Camaro jacket came up and said "It's already proven" -insert what I quoted from Jeff J as why- and he said "The ZL1 is more powerful, more aerodynamic, and waay better on the track; noone is going to want a GT500 when the ZL1 is around; the ZL1 already won". Naturally, since I like both but vastly favor Mustang, I said "So....Camaro beat a Mustang that has yet to be made? That's either pretty impressive or pretty illogical; I'd wait like everyone to see the production actually exist" Watching this, I now can't wait for the Camaro to take on the Mustang. As mentioned before, even if a GTR beat it, the GTR is not as fast as it's made out to be, it just has that four wheel control on it's side. The true battle begins this summer. I wonder if sales of the two will be noticebly affected by whoever 'wins'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider). Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the SVTPP has G:2 Goodyear Supercar tires on it. I know my (standard) 2010 GT500 and the "base" 2012 GT500 has F1 Supercar tires on it. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider). Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the SVTPP has G:2 Goodyear Supercar tires on it. I know my (standard) 2010 GT500 and the "base" 2012 GT500 has F1 Supercar tires on it. Phill ZL1 comes with the G:2's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 ZL1 comes with the G:2's Do you know what size/width? I'm impressed with the 1.5g lateral g's I saw on the accelerometer in the video. Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 285/35/20 Front, 305/35/20 Rear Incidentally, the rears are now listed at tire rack, in case anyone with the SVTPP rims wants wider G2's for the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) So this thing was well equiped for that 1.5G count. EDIT: Actually, watching this video again, at 1:00 and 2:39 the car hits 1.6G's. Edited March 1, 2012 by Helix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthracer777 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 The '13 Shelby should be about 10 seconds faster that the '11 Shelby. So, I'm not concerned with the ZL1's lap time. The '13 will beat it on the 'strip, top end, and on the road course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 The '13 Shelby should be about 10 seconds faster that the '11 Shelby. So, I'm not concerned with the ZL1's lap time. The '13 will beat it on the 'strip, top end, and on the road course. that's right,the new cobra will destroy the zl1 and it's magnetic ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 EDIT: Actually, watching this video again, at 1:00 and 2:39 the car hits 1.6G's. Do you know how HARD it is to achive that kind of grip? Our Quarter Midget used to pull just over that, and it's basically a GO-KART that's 2" off the ground with a higher percentage of contact patch (vs weight) than a Indy car. I'd have to check my Mychron data logs but I'm thinking we were at just under 2g's on a oval. Wasn't the 2011 GT500 showing just over 1g when it was brought out? Like, 1.2g or something like that? And that was with the PP option, IIRC. 160% the force of gravity....That's HOOKED UP. This should be interesting, Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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