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On the full course at VIR a time of 2:52 is a totally sucky time.

 

Are you sure about your numbers?

 

Most average stock cars right now run in the low 2 minute range, 2:15 to 2:35.

 

Unless someone's grandmother was driving the 'Maro.

 

 

Really?

 

Some lap times from Car & Driver's "Lightning Lap" (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8):

 

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08

2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08

3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11

4 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12

5 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10

6 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11

7 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10

[2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1]

8 2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12

9 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11

10 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10

11 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08

12 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08

13 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11

14 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07

15 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11

16 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10

17 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11

18 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07

19 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10

20 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08

21 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10

22 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06

23 3:00.7 PORSCHE PANAMERA TURBO S LL4 2/12

24 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06

25 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08

26 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06

27 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07

28 3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA LL2 2/12

29 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07

30 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11

31 3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R LL3 2/12

32 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08

33 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11

 

Some lap times fastlaps.com (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html):

 

Lap times (111)

Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by

1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 -

2. Mosler MT 900S 2:45.90 0 441 / 1100

3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536

4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '02 441 / 973

5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:50.70 '08 647 / 1530

6. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:51.80 '08 647 / 1530 Mark Gillies

7. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430

8. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871

[2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1]

9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736

10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394

11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies

12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402

13. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 479 / 1740

14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400

15. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567

16. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585

17. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies

18. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620

19. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.00 0 659 / 1750

The RED one looks interesting...

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Really?

 

Some lap times from Car & Driver's "Lightning Lap" (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8):

 

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08

2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08

3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11

4 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12

5 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10

6 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11

7 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10

[2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1]

8 2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12

9 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11

10 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10

11 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08

12 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08

13 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11

14 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07

15 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11

16 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10

17 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11

18 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07

19 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10

20 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08

21 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10

22 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06

23 3:00.7 PORSCHE PANAMERA TURBO S LL4 2/12

24 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06

25 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08

26 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06

27 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07

28 3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA LL2 2/12

29 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07

30 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11

31 3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R LL3 2/12

32 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08

33 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11

 

Some lap times fastlaps.com (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html):

 

Lap times (111)

Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by

1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 -

2. Mosler MT 900S 2:45.90 0 441 / 1100

3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536

4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '02 441 / 973

5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:50.70 '08 647 / 1530

6. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:51.80 '08 647 / 1530 Mark Gillies

7. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430

8. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871

[2:52.38 2012 Camaro ZL1]

9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736

10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394

11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies

12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402

13. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 479 / 1740

14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400

15. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567

16. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585

17. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies

18. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620

19. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.00 0 659 / 1750

The RED one looks interesting...

 

 

Thats some pretty damn good company that the ZL1 is keeping right there!!...Thats freaking fast.

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The Camaro was running on the grand course (not full course)...and as such it was a respectible time.

 

 

I saw the G-meter hit 1.5 lateral g's going through a right hander.

 

That's VERY respectable.

 

I wonder what tires they had on that thing? They were barely squeeling most of the time, even on HARD turns.

 

 

Phill

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I think GM's numbers may be a little bit on the Low side compared to what every one else will produce. Road and Track pit the ZL1 against the GTR and on the track it was not even close the GTR schooled it. So GM numbers I would call into question as actual stock times.

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I think GM's numbers may be a little bit on the Low side compared to what every one else will produce. Road and Track pit the ZL1 against the GTR and on the track it was not even close the GTR schooled it. So GM numbers I would call into question as actual stock times.

 

im you have noticed that too.i said that way back on this topic.they are most likely using a ringer car to get their numbers.
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I wonder what tires they had on that thing? They were barely squeeling most of the time, even on HARD turns.

 

 

Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider).

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im you have noticed that too.i said that way back on this topic.they are most likely using a ringer car to get their numbers.

 

 

More likely a ringer driver rather than a ringer car, or a little of both. Not taking anything away from the ZL1, it's going to be a heck of a track car right out of the box, similar with what Ford did with the LS Boss, but with mongo more power. Times are just times to some extent. Unless it's the same driver, same track conditions, same weather (humidity, density of air mass, etc.) it's tough to have comparative times unless actually in a race. One day to the next could be a completely different story. Not by huge amounts (unless wet), but substantial when you are talking hundredths and thousandths of seconds. Even full seconds. I can't wait for the comparisons once the 2013 500 comes out. I would guess at some tracks, the ZL1 can actually take it. Hard to say withough knowing exactly what is going to be different suspension wise with the 500. Power, no question, the 500 is going to be brutal. With some of the new suspension dynamics, it's going to be fun to see how it all works out! Just like a 2012 GT500 vs. the LS Boss. The Boss can take it on some tracks due to the much better handling characteristics out of the box.

 

If you talk modifications to the suspension, well then it just get's silly and tough to compare. However I beleive that the GT500 will be much easier to modify to make go around corners better, as it's a known, pretty simple set up. The Camaro is pretty complex and will take longer for guys to figure it out how to modify. The GT500 with minor modifications will make it quite a bit quicker on the road courses than the ZL1, then again, maybe it already will be.

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I can't wait for the comparisons once the 2013 500 comes out. I would guess at some tracks, the ZL1 can actually take it. Hard to say withough knowing exactly what is going to be different suspension wise with the 500. Power, no question, the 500 is going to be brutal. With some of the new suspension dynamics, it's going to be fun to see how it all works out!

 

When I was at the Chicago Auto Show at the Chevy Camaro ZL1 spot, I was checking it out closely and talking to my father. My dad is more of an old car fan, but is very impressed by the horsepower wars going on. While commenting he asked me "But the thing I don't see is how this thing can hold up to the new Mustang"

Just then some guy with a Camaro jacket came up and said "It's already proven" -insert what I quoted from Jeff J as why- and he said "The ZL1 is more powerful, more aerodynamic, and waay better on the track; noone is going to want a GT500 when the ZL1 is around; the ZL1 already won".

 

Naturally, since I like both but vastly favor Mustang, I said "So....Camaro beat a Mustang that has yet to be made? That's either pretty impressive or pretty illogical; I'd wait like everyone to see the production actually exist"

Watching this, I now can't wait for the Camaro to take on the Mustang. As mentioned before, even if a GTR beat it, the GTR is not as fast as it's made out to be, it just has that four wheel control on it's side.

The true battle begins this summer. I wonder if sales of the two will be noticebly affected by whoever 'wins'.

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Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider).

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the SVTPP has G:2 Goodyear Supercar tires on it.

 

I know my (standard) 2010 GT500 and the "base" 2012 GT500 has F1 Supercar tires on it.

 

 

Phill

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Phill, I asked one of the guys on a Camaro board who attended the event, and he said it had the Goodyear F1 Supercars on it. So, same tires as the SVTPP cars (though the ZL1 tires are wider).

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the SVTPP has G:2 Goodyear Supercar tires on it.

 

I know my (standard) 2010 GT500 and the "base" 2012 GT500 has F1 Supercar tires on it.

 

Phill

 

 

ZL1 comes with the G:2's

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ZL1 comes with the G:2's

 

 

Do you know what size/width?

 

I'm impressed with the 1.5g lateral g's I saw on the accelerometer in the video.

 

 

Phill

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285/35/20 Front, 305/35/20 Rear

 

Incidentally, the rears are now listed at tire rack, in case anyone with the SVTPP rims wants wider G2's for the rear.

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EDIT: Actually, watching this video again, at 1:00 and 2:39 the car hits 1.6G's.

 

 

Do you know how HARD it is to achive that kind of grip?

 

Our Quarter Midget used to pull just over that, and it's basically a GO-KART that's 2" off the ground with a higher percentage of contact patch (vs weight) than a Indy car. I'd have to check my Mychron data logs but I'm thinking we were at just under 2g's on a oval.

 

Wasn't the 2011 GT500 showing just over 1g when it was brought out? Like, 1.2g or something like that? And that was with the PP option, IIRC.

 

160% the force of gravity....That's HOOKED UP.

 

 

This should be interesting,

Phill

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