shelbydream1 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Anyone on here running the E-Force supercharger that would care to share your impressions? If you were buying for another vehicle would you do the e-force again or go with something different? With the lower boost psi, how would it work with a set of Hot Rod cams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Rodgers Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I do not have one, but love my whipple!!!!!!!! I would not do a Supercharger with Cams, no benefit, can only cause issues. My 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 The E-Force was not around when I got my Shelby installed KB. I could not ask for more than I get out of my KB but, I must say, after I first saw the E-Force at a car show (the manufacturer was showing it) I took the time to learn about it and it is one sweet deal. To me, it is likely the best street application, given its various attributes. It does not try and "win" the "I have the most boost" contest, which no one can win and it appears to be set for long life when run on the street. I have not driven a car with the E-Force so I cannot chime in about that. I have driven the Whipple, Paxton, and, of course the KB. You're into a never ending debate about which of those is best (reminds me of the Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge wars in high school) but you will only be happy with the one you get. The good news is that all the power adders are a great improvement.<br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lgs ShelbyGT Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 FordFan1 & I installed the Edelbrock e-force on my SGT this spring After 3 years of researching every S/C available for the 3 valve 4.6 and asking others who have the other S/C installed like Jim and his Kenne Bell ( he can attest to my various inquiries) The E-Force is absolutely amazing in all respects Fit & finish is perfect and looks OEM Edelbrock definitely nailed the kit as one of the perfect choices for our cars IMO The install instructions do bounce you around a bit, but in the end all is fine Just driving around without getting into the boost it is very street friendly for sure Put your foot in it and hang on, as it definitely puts you back in the seat in a heartbeat and just keeps on pulling to red line As FordFan 1 says have some straight open road without traffic before you get into the boost especially until you learn what to expect Guessing this is similar to other S/C kits available too I am still running the FRPP exhaust and it is quiet, actually very stealthy Even when your in the boost there is very little S/C whine to be heard FordFan1 says it is "Silent but extremely quick & fast" I've had no opportunity to get to the track since installing the E-Force, so I can only guess but I'm expecting the differences are going to be quantum Jim could chime in here as to what may be expected as he has track experience before his Kenne Bell and afterwards Also check with Sam who is 2007_Shelby_GT on TS He installed the E-Force a few months before we did Both Sam & I are running the Ford Racing CAI with slightly different custom tunes Sam started with the stock kit and then had the custom tune built for the FRPP CAI I purchased a tuner kit with the next smaller pulley and a custom tune for the FRPP CAI but the higher boost with the smaller pulley created some challenges for the stock MAF. So I ended up with another custom tune and a MAFai to deal with it Either route will require upgrading your fuel system Sam went with the GT500 fuel pump and I currently use the Kenne Bell BAP, both work Sam's setup I believe is running 5-7 lbs of boost, whereas mine is 7-9 lbs Interestingly the dyno numbers are nearly identical somewhere around 460 RWHP and 440 RWT Mine was on a Mustang Dyno in the Pacific NW and Sam is in Florida, uncertain what type of dyno was used, but he can answer that Sam & I both upgraded the stock clutch to the McLeod RST dual disk clutch Note that our OEM flywheels do not match well to this setup, so you should upgrade the flywheel at the same time Sam used the McLeod flywheel and I found a Fidanzia that worked Also, install a new clutch slave cylinder while your at it I upgraded to a stainless steel clutch hydraulic line, thinking Sam may have too The FRPP strut brace that came with the SGT will not clear the E-Force However, the Shelby CS6, Terlingua strut brace works fine http://www.shelbysto...p/m-20201-f.htm Both of us have it If you want more info or pics just let me know Yes, I love talking about my E-Force Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Larry, I am pleased to see how things turned out for you. You put a ton of time into researching power adders. Great write up. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogie65 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Another very satisified E-force owner here as well. I made the plunge right after they were shown at SEMA in '08 and have one of the very first kits (s/n 0007) that I installed in Feb. '09. No regrets as this kit delivers as promised. It is nice and stealthy with little whine and blends right into the engine bay with an OEM look, along with not being as common as some of the kits. The install was very straight forward and took me ~13 hours working alone, with my only help coming when it was time to drop the supercharger in place. Mine started out as a base kit with the 3.8 inch pulley and the original canned tune. Due to some one off issues with my AF's running a bit lean, it was taken in for a dyno tune and put down 422RWHP/394RWTQ when they were done. This was with everything else stock including the fuel system and air box. I got bored with the power last fall and added GT500 pumps and 3.5 inch pulley. After an updated dyno session, I landed at my current power levels - 455RWHP/432RWTQ. Other than the fuel pumps, I am still pretty much stock including the airbox, clutch, cams, and exhaust. If you have any other questions, just ask. Here's a picture of my set-up that also includes a chromed intake tube as I never liked the silicone tube that came with the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogie65 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I just realized you live down by Chicago, so if you ever make it up by Lake Geneva and want to see my set-up, just shoot me a PM and we can meet up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Everything as stated above - Vic Edelbrock knows his stuff! Personally, I choose the E-Force because I couldn't afford a trip to Shelby, and I was looking for something different that would allow me to retain as much of the stock looks/parts as possible and still reach the power level I was after. (The SGT should have had at least 400 hp from Shelby in the first place!) In my case, my upper limit was around 500 hp at the crank, (550 crank hp is probably the upper limit for the 4.6 without internal mods and I wanted a slight safety cushion) After it was said and done, with a tune by Justin Starkey at VMP, I attained 460 rear-wheel horsepower and 422 rear wheel torque with just the stock pulley, GT500 dual fuel pump, and Ford CAI. I also have SLP Loudmouth axle-back pipes, but Justin said it wouldn't have mattered over the stock exhaust since the FRPP mufflers/exhausts are already pretty free-flowing. (This was on a 98 degree day in September of last year!) Larry listed his/my mods that went along with the install - by all means, upgrade the clutch, replace the slave cylinder, and upgrade to a stainless clutch line. (my stock clutch couldn't keep up!) Upgrade the brakes as well - I went with DecelaRotors and Hawk pads along with stainless brake lines and better fluid. (lots of choices in that arena depending on what you'll be doing with the car) At Sebring during the Track Guys event, other than the brakes (I didn't have the stainless lines or track pads) the only limitation was me! Awesome "stealthy" power that comes on strong and climbs smoothly right on up to the redline! I still have folks ask me about my Edelbrock "intake manifold" because it looks so much like the stock piece! Easy install - very idiot proof with great instructions and tech support! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnenn Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have Eforce kit number #0025 from Edelbrock installed on 08SGT0201 since April of 2009. Search and you'll find the pics. What a ride! Wnenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbydream1 Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I just realized you live down by Chicago, so if you ever make it up by Lake Geneva and want to see my set-up, just shoot me a PM and we can meet up. May have to take you up on that Doogie. I'm really close to you (just south of Beloit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sam et All, Man! There is "something" about this setup that I really like Not sure if it is the Edelbrock name, or the stealthy look of not seeing the pulley snout when you first look at it on an engine... Great numbers from Justin... Assuming the standard 15% loss, your 460 RWHP equals 540 HP at the crank (almost the same as the FR Whipple)... Also being able to use a strut brace is cool... And keeping the Ford CAI, almost makes it look stock... Getting ready to do the BREMBO brake upgrade and larger SVT wheels & tires... Did the track pad, ss lines and hi-temp fluid already with the GT Brakes, but am constantly at the limits of this car on the tracks I frequent in the Midwest... Guess I better keep this setup at the top of my list of future Mods... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Anyone on here running the E-Force supercharger that would care to share your impressions? If you were buying for another vehicle would you do the e-force again or go with something different? With the lower boost psi, how would it work with a set of Hot Rod cams? All I know is that hotrod cams keep me in my car !! Unless your illegally street racing or king of the hill the sound alone makes peoples head turn if you can get both worlds God Bless you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxCustody Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I too have the E-Force blower with the stock CAI and the VMP tune. I also have the v6 strut tower brace. I love how the engine bay looks very stealthy. Almost no blower whine. But it has tons of power, really puts you back in your seat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I too have the E-Force blower with the stock CAI and the VMP tune. I also have the v6 strut tower brace. I love how the engine bay looks very stealthy. Almost no blower whine. But it has tons of power, really puts you back in your seat! Were you able to keep the FRPP CAI or did you have to use the Edelbrock-designed CAI??? Cause the more I look at this setup and the more I read about it, the more I like it... Even to the point of ordering a complete "competition" kit from Brenspeed for Christmas and doing it myself over the cold winter months... Seems like with the smaller pulley, higher boost (10 psi) and a good tune (93 Octane) that you can get approx the same 550HP that comes with the Whipple or KB... Being able to use the V6 strut tower brace WITHOUT lowering the engine is just another PLUS for this setup... Also looks like I'll be able to keep the Agent47 Brake Ducts and hoses in place, as there doesn't appear to be anything (other than the cooler) that will get in the way :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 With the KB you can have the V-6 strut tower brace. I don't know about Agent 47 brake ducts but the Shelby brake ducts work well. One thing that is a love/hate thing with the KB is where the air intake is placed in the fender well. I see that as a good thing (cooler air charge) but others do not like to give up the look of a CAI. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARALD KELLEY Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Everything as stated above - Vic Edelbrock knows his stuff! Personally, I choose the E-Force because I couldn't afford a trip to Shelby, and I was looking for something different that would allow me to retain as much of the stock looks/parts as possible and still reach the power level I was after. (The SGT should have had at least 400 hp from Shelby in the first place!) In my case, my upper limit was around 500 hp at the crank, (550 crank hp is probably the upper limit for the 4.6 without internal mods and I wanted a slight safety cushion) After it was said and done, with a tune by Justin Starkey at VMP, I attained 460 rear-wheel horsepower and 422 rear wheel torque with just the stock pulley, GT500 dual fuel pump, and Ford CAI. I also have SLP Loudmouth axle-back pipes, but Justin said it wouldn't have mattered over the stock exhaust since the FRPP mufflers/exhausts are already pretty free-flowing. (This was on a 98 degree day in September of last year!) Larry listed his/my mods that went along with the install - by all means, upgrade the clutch, replace the slave cylinder, and upgrade to a stainless clutch line. (my stock clutch couldn't keep up!) Upgrade the brakes as well - I went with DecelaRotors and Hawk pads along with stainless brake lines and better fluid. (lots of choices in that arena depending on what you'll be doing with the car) At Sebring during the Track Guys event, other than the brakes (I didn't have the stainless lines or track pads) the only limitation was me! Awesome "stealthy" power that comes on strong and climbs smoothly right on up to the redline! I still have folks ask me about my Edelbrock "intake manifold" because it looks so much like the stock piece! Easy install - very idiot proof with great instructions and tech support! Sam Very nice looking without the covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 With the KB you can have the V-6 strut tower brace. I don't know about Agent 47 brake ducts but the Shelby brake ducts work well. One thing that is a love/hate thing with the KB is where the air intake is placed in the fender well. I see that as a good thing (cooler air charge) but others do not like to give up the look of a CAI. Jim Jim, Probably the ONE thing about the KB that I absolutely don't care for is the location of the air intake... Just don't like location, regardless if you are going to pull in just a little cooler air (albeit from the HOT surface of the asphalt track) than what's already under the hood... Heck, I'm even toying with the idea of going back to the stock (closed) GT-style airbox (a la Doogie65) just to solidify the "stealth" look that this particular setup offers... Not to mention, the "Supercharged by Edlebrock" covers are optional (a la 2007_Shelby_GT) if you want to add them later... And while I respect & like the "S/C" moniker and pedigree from Shelby, I personally don't think it should be something that for the $$$, I can simply add 4-5 years and 25,000 miles down the road So in my book, there are only a few select SGT's that came directly from SAI with that package from day 1 and mile 0... Just my opinion See you in 2012 at the 50th... And YES, the Bacardi Anejo is still on the top of my packing list for this next BASH :beerchug: Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark17357 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I think the E-Force is the tightest package out there and I agree that the stealth look has significant value in and of itself. The KB air intake thing is what it is. I like your idea of the stock air box to make things even more stealth, although the SGTs came with the CAI so that is not a give away. And, as to the Bacardi, I say "right on." At the next bash we can toast supercharged cars in general. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I think the E-Force is the tightest package out there and I agree that the stealth look has significant value in and of itself. The KB air intake thing is what it is. I like your idea of the stock air box to make things even more stealth, although the SGTs came with the CAI so that is not a give away. And, as to the Bacardi, I say "right on." At the next bash we can toast supercharged cars in general. Jim Just re-read the Specs where the internal impellers are made by Eaton and are very similar to their TVS components... Man, I need to step away from the computer... Or this thread is gonna cost me some serious $$$ And talk about "strealthy"... The Install Guide even shows where to cut out the bottom of the OEM airbox for a litle better air flow :happy feet: 135. Use a cut off wheel or hacksaw and drill to cut thebase of the airbox off as shown, then reinstall the airbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Were you able to keep the FRPP CAI or did you have to use the Edelbrock-designed CAI??? Cause the more I look at this setup and the more I read about it, the more I like it... Even to the point of ordering a complete "competition" kit from Brenspeed for Christmas and doing it myself over the cold winter months... Seems like with the smaller pulley, higher boost (10 psi) and a good tune (93 Octane) that you can get approx the same 550HP that comes with the Whipple or KB... Being able to use the V6 strut tower brace WITHOUT lowering the engine is just another PLUS for this setup... Also looks like I'll be able to keep the Agent47 Brake Ducts and hoses in place, as there doesn't appear to be anything (other than the cooler) that will get in the way :happy feet: FRPP CAI - with very slight modification in my case - fits just fine with the Edelbrock! Justin at VMP said that the CAI is most likely a big factor in the numbers I attained with the 5 lbs boost stock pulley. The stock airbox, while stealthy, just doesn't have enough square inches of filter to let the air in, even cutting out the holes per Edelbrock instructions. The CAI is over twice the filter size of the stock airbox so it allows much better airflow. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 FRPP CAI - with very slight modification in my case - fits just fine with the Edelbrock! Justin at VMP said that the CAI is most likely a big factor in the numbers I attained with the 5 lbs boost stock pulley. The stock airbox, while stealthy, just doesn't have enough square inches of filter to let the air in, even cutting out the holes per Edelbrock instructions. The CAI is over twice the filter size of the stock airbox so it allows much better airflow. Sam Sam, Well that answers that And I really didn't want to spend the "extra" $400+ for the Edelbrock CAI, when I already have the FRPP version just sitting there... So did Justin do your install? Or did he provide just the tune and some technical advice? Wouldn't mind getting the parts and tune from him, doing the install myself early next Spring... And then having him put it on his mobile Dyno when he comes to Shelbyfest in Hermann next April Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Sam, Well that answers that And I really didn't want to spend the "extra" $400+ for the Edelbrock CAI, when I already have the FRPP version just sitting there... So did Justin do your install? Or did he provide just the tune and some technical advice? Wouldn't mind getting the parts and tune from him, doing the install myself early next Spring... And then having him put it on his mobile Dyno when he comes to Shelbyfest in Hermann next April Gregg I'm a DIY kind of guy! Edelbrock instructions were made for idiots like me - very thorough with just a couple of hiccups along the way! (need to download the latest set from Edelbrock when you receive your kit - they change things occasionally!) There's a whole thread around here somewhere on my install, I'll find it and provide a link! Justin just did the tune and I highly recommend a custom tune over the canned Diablo one that comes with the supercharger! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Sam, THANKS for the info... And from briefly reading the Install Guide already, it doesn't look all that bad... Especially since there aren't too many "cut this, modify that" kind of steps required for this particular setup... And I really like the idea of being able to keep the CAI that I already have... I even have an "extra" SCT Tuner laying around that could be re-flashed for these S/C tunes Boy, this is sounding better and better with each post... Now to "justify" this to the wifey... But considering that she likes to go FAST already, this shouldn't be a problem Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Here's the long story thread: E-Force Fun After going back and reading through it all, I forgot how frustratingly fun it was! There was some low and high points, but the best was when I resolved the alternator issue! My mechanic never had to turn a wrench, just looked over my shoulder, checked my work, and gave me the thumbs up! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Sam, THANKS for the link... Glad it all worked out... Hopefully, when the time comes, I will be able to learn from your install... Just need to have my PC setup in the garage when I start tearing into my engine compartment... Great Job!!! Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Has anyone tried using the GT500 Strut Brace in with this setup? Looks like it should clear the supercharger... But will the hood close??? They are only $15 in the "Basement" of the Shelby Store Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbydream1 Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Has anyone tried using the GT500 Strut Brace in with this setup? Looks like it should clear the supercharger... But will the hood close??? They are only $15 in the "Basement" of the Shelby Store Gregg, there was an SGT at my local mustang club show that had the e-force with a very similar strut tower brace with the stock hood and no clearance issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxCustody Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Were you able to keep the FRPP CAI or did you have to use the Edelbrock-designed CAI??? Cause the more I look at this setup and the more I read about it, the more I like it... Even to the point of ordering a complete "competition" kit from Brenspeed for Christmas and doing it myself over the cold winter months... Seems like with the smaller pulley, higher boost (10 psi) and a good tune (93 Octane) that you can get approx the same 550HP that comes with the Whipple or KB... Being able to use the V6 strut tower brace WITHOUT lowering the engine is just another PLUS for this setup... Also looks like I'll be able to keep the Agent47 Brake Ducts and hoses in place, as there doesn't appear to be anything (other than the cooler) that will get in the way :happy feet: I have the FRP CAI, I also have the v6 strut tower brace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lgs ShelbyGT Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just re-read the Specs where the internal impellers are made by Eaton and are very similar to their TVS components... It is the TVS 2300 flipped & hidden / neatly tucked away in the depths of the motor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lgs ShelbyGT Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Which is as Sam says why it is so quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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