robertlane Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Click here to learn more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Click here to learn more. Sweet. And it looks like you don't have to buy a extra shift lever, boot and/or knob either (like you did with the old design). Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IA Shelby Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Robert: Good looking shifter. Description says additional lever for 2010 models. I assume this additional lever will work on 2011-2012 as well? How is this different or better than the MGW shifter that I read so many comments about? I need to get a new one and would prefer to stick with Shelby. Your feedback is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY168 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Are these going to be the shifters that will be on the SS, and who makes them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackout Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 +1...my SS is just waiting on a lift...would like to know if the gen II is now the SS standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd2none Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 looks a lot like a Drake shifter but with Shelby badging on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-11-Shelby-Mustang-GT500-Shifter-Assembly-6-Speed-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4157af3b37QQitemZ280643975991QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackout Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 Just Following up...will the gen II shifter be installed in the 2012 Super Snakes? Mine happens to be at SAI now--just waiting on a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SHELBYCS6 Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 I just received my Drake shifter and hope to get it installed before Wednesday when we leave for Woodward. I bought it from Champion for $275.00 and except for the Shelby script it looks like the same unit to me. I received it in about a week from date of order and I must say I was impressed with the whole process from order to receipt of goods with Champion. I'll keep you posted on how the shifter performs after the install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IA Shelby Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 I just received my Drake shifter and hope to get it installed before Wednesday when we leave for Woodward. I bought it from Champion for $275.00 and except for the Shelby script it looks like the same unit to me. I received it in about a week from date of order and I must say I was impressed with the whole process from order to receipt of goods with Champion. I'll keep you posted on how the shifter performs after the install. What year is your shelby? Are you planning on using your oe shifter lever and knob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 What year is your shelby? Are you planning on using your oe shifter lever and knob? it's a 2010 and the shifter comes with a new shifter lever that will accept the OE knob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IA Shelby Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 it's a 2010 and the shifter comes with a new shifter lever that will accept the OE knob Thanks - what I need to know. I will looking forward to your post install update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Thanks - what I need to know. I will looking forward to your post install update. have an appointment at Steeda Canada at 3:00 to have the shifter installed so it will be in for the Woodward trip.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Well here are a few of the basic results on the new shifter install on my 2010 GT-500 and I'll add more later with a few photo's... First..it took three full hours to install this shifter and that is at Steeda where they do this all the time, so if you plan on doing this with a couple of axel stands, I'd think again. The front drive shaft had to be disconnected and the transmission lowered to gain access to the bolts which are very tough to remove. The factory shifter ball is welded on with loc-tite and we had to apply gentle heat to the metal shaft, then wrap the ball in rubber then use a strap wrench and johnson bar to break it free..lucky there wasn't any damage but it took about 20 minutes. The new shifter looks great but the urathane bushings on the arms are larger than the factory ones and were almost impossible to squeeze into the transmission mounts. (this took more time than anything and if the car wasn't on a hoist, almost impossible) The brass bushings for the shift connector were too tight and wouldn't allow the bolt to pass through until the brass bores and the bolt were polished. The cam stops for the shift travel were very difficult to adjust to spec. as even tightening the nut down moved the cam significantly. The rubber grommet assembly which came installed on the shifter lever was installed backwards and if it was not reversed the slot to engage the shifter boot would have been on the opposite side and the lever at the wrong angle. Besides the aforementioned, it was a basic shifter install...lol Performance wise, right now, I don't think for the cost of the shifter and the install I got the best bang for my buck but I will give it some time to settle in and I'll comment again later. The transmission does go into gear MUCH easier especially in reverse but it did nothing for the "double-click" ratchet type feel which must be within the transmission itself and not the shifter. I was expecting a "short throw" shifter but honestly, I don't feel much of a difference in travel, if I recall correctly it was 25% but I'm thinking 5% to 10% tops. There is about 1" of total play side to side on the shifter when it is in gear which almost feels like being in neutral and I don't think you can adjust this out but I'm going to look into this as it is a strange feeling. There is now a vibration type of "hum" coming from the transmission under acceleration which wasn't there before, I'm guessing it is because this assembly is so rigid in comparison to the factory one and something is not moving the way the original one was. I'm going to see if this gets any better or worse on the trip to Woodward and back as it should have plenty of driving time to find it's happy place by then. You can find the gears easier, especially third but I haven't spent very much driving time yet so I'll comment again after Woodward. I want to put some miles on this assembly before I pass final judgement as I know some times things just have to work themselves in before they get that comfy feel so I am still optimistic..time will tell.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 First morning with the shifter and it is about 18c outside temp this morning. Normally, this would have been a struggle getting into reverse and shifting gears for the first 15 minutes of driving at least or until things warmed up but that wasn't the case this morning. The shifter seems to have solved this one issue for certain so that scores big points. We leave for Woodward in the morning so we will see how it performs during the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Well... Just out for a drive that had some bumps and rolls and there is a serious thumping in the tunnel, so much so that I thought Steeda had left the transmission mount loose. Brought the car into my local service facility to get it up on the hoist and take a peek and everything is torqued without movement anywhere. I put my fingers up between the mount arms and the tunnel and there is Zero clearance in this area which is probably where I'm also getting the "hum" when I accelerate. The thickness of the new mount arms compared to the factory unit is about 3:1 and I believe when the transmission moves when torqued or going over bumps the shifter arms are hitting the tunnel. Unfortunately, I can't do anything about it now I'll have to wait till return from Woodward but I'll discuss this with Robert and others at Mustang Alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IA Shelby Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Sorry to hear you having a touch time with the new shifter. I appreciate your complete and honest feedback regarding installation and use. Too bad as it looks like a quality product. I will be going with MGW. Best of luck to you getting it modified or removed. I would hope they would take this on return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Well... Just out for a drive that had some bumps and rolls and there is a serious thumping in the tunnel, so much so that I thought Steeda had left the transmission mount loose. <snip> I put my fingers up between the mount arms and the tunnel and there is Zero clearance in this area which is probably where I'm also getting the "hum" when I accelerate. The thickness of the new mount arms compared to the factory unit is about 3:1 and I believe when the transmission moves when torqued or going over bumps the shifter arms are hitting the tunnel. Unfortunately, I can't do anything about it now I'll have to wait till return from Woodward but I'll discuss this with Robert and others at Mustang Alley. What year is your car? The 2010 and newer GT500's have a different transmission crossmember and the trans sits lower in them. I had to trim the rear trans mount studs off to get my driveshaft safety hoop mount to clear the studs because the X-member doens't have the rise in it that the earlier models have. I wonder if that's the problem? Perhaps they did their R&D on a 2010+ car and didn't realize the '09 and earlier cars have the trans up higher in the tunnel. If your car is a '09E car, that would be my suspicion. I wonder if you can use a 2010+ transmission x-member in it??? Seems like a lot of cost/trouble just to make a shifter fit though. At first I was a little dissapointed that I bought a MGW shifter vs the Shelby/Drake (I like the shifter stops feature) but now....not so much! Thanks for the honest input on it, Phill Pollard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 What year is your car? The 2010 and newer GT500's have a different transmission crossmember and the trans sits lower in them. I had to trim the rear trans mount studs off to get my driveshaft safety hoop mount to clear the studs because the X-member doens't have the rise in it that the earlier models have. I wonder if that's the problem? Perhaps they did their R&D on a 2010+ car and didn't realize the '09 and earlier cars have the trans up higher in the tunnel. If your car is a '09E car, that would be my suspicion. I wonder if you can use a 2010+ transmission x-member in it??? Seems like a lot of cost/trouble just to make a shifter fit though. At first I was a little dissapointed that I bought a MGW shifter vs the Shelby/Drake (I like the shifter stops feature) but now....not so much! Thanks for the honest input on it, Phill Pollard Nope...it's in my 2010...the one it was supposidly built for... I hate any kind of noise or rattle so unless the trip from Toronto to Auburn Hills is all new fresh pavement...I'll be ready to blow a gasket by the time I get there... Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well..update time but unfortunately, the struggle continues... I now have about 2500 km on the car since I installed the shifter.. The good news is the thumping in the tunnel and the hum seem to have stopped..my best guess at this point is they have tampered themselves together enough to create the clearance required so I don't know where the give came into play if it was the tunnel, the shifter or a combination of both. The shifter however has now become a little tough to shift on occasion, is still very loud, still has that weird neutral feel in every gear and now a new gremlin has reared it's ugly head. When you are in 5th gear and you attempt to shift to 6th, the natural kick of the shifter tends to want to drop you into 4th gear and not 6th gear. I'm prepared for that now and push to the right and down but if your not thinking about it and just shift normally, the shifter tends to move to the left when dropping out of 5th. I need to contact someone at Scott Drake to find out if there is any way to adjust any of these issues out of the shifter and let them know what I'm experiencing. I had dinner with one of our Australian members the other evening (Aussie 67) and he couldn't believe how rough and how loud this Gen II shifter is. He told me his Gen I shifter in his GT500 is perfect and he had no installation issues, no noise, no shifting issues since it was installed. So now I'm asking the question, if the Gen I shifter was this good, why was the change made to the Gen II shifter that seems to be plagued with issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsnut Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Well..update time but unfortunately, the struggle continues... I now have about 2500 km on the car since I installed the shifter.. The good news is the thumping in the tunnel and the hum seem to have stopped..my best guess at this point is they have tampered themselves together enough to create the clearance required so I don't know where the give came into play if it was the tunnel, the shifter or a combination of both. The shifter however has now become a little tough to shift on occasion, is still very loud, still has that weird neutral feel in every gear and now a new gremlin has reared it's ugly head. When you are in 5th gear and you attempt to shift to 6th, the natural kick of the shifter tends to want to drop you into 4th gear and not 6th gear. I'm prepared for that now and push to the right and down but if your not thinking about it and just shift normally, the shifter tends to move to the left when dropping out of 5th. I need to contact someone at Scott Drake to find out if there is any way to adjust any of these issues out of the shifter and let them know what I'm experiencing. I had dinner with one of our Australian members the other evening (Aussie 67) and he couldn't believe how rough and how loud this Gen II shifter is. He told me his Gen I shifter in his GT500 is perfect and he had no installation issues, no noise, no shifting issues since it was installed. So now I'm asking the question, if the Gen I shifter was this good, why was the change made to the Gen II shifter that seems to be plagued with issues. For what it's worth I have the MGW and it also pulls pretty good towards center coming out of 5th. If I am not paying attention it will go straight towards 4th. That said, I would not trade it for anything. It is by far the best shifter I have ever had. It was made for bangin' the gears! I notice the pull towards 4th more when I am just puttin' around taking it easy. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 For what it's worth I have the MGW and it also pulls pretty good towards center coming out of 5th. If I am not paying attention it will go straight towards 4th. That said, I would not trade it for anything. It is by far the best shifter I have ever had. It was made for bangin' the gears! I notice the pull towards 4th more when I am just puttin' around taking it easy. Chip Thanks for the imput..and I would agree 100%....I would have a lot of faith banging the gears as you put it...this is a very solid shifter I'll give it that but I guess the size and the structure is partially responsible for some of the other issues I've listed with noise etc. I spoke with a guy from Florida at Woodward that has the MGW shifter as well and he had some of the same complaints I'm experiencing and especially mentioned the noise issue so I know it carries over to other brands in this application. I was expecting some variances with the shifter but I guess I thought it would be all positive. I was just expecting so much more from this item and that's a lot of the problem, I just expected too much. If I only utilized this car at the track, I'm sure I would be very happy with this item but for daily use for me at least I guess expected the feel and throw to be much smoother and quieter. BTW...does the MGW shifter move back and forth when it's in gear similar to when it's neutral ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsnut Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 BTW...does the MGW shifter move back and forth when it's in gear similar to when it's neutral ?? Not really there is a little play but mine is pretty stiff. MGW states on their website that their GT500 shifter has "strong lateral spring load to eliminate the 3rd gear lockout issue with the remote shifter design of the S197 Mustang. Finally, you can powershift from 2nd to 3rd without hesitation". I should note that the MGW came with high durometer bushings installed on both sides of the front support arms but they did send along a set of softer ones that may be better suited for street driving and could possibly cut down on noise transfer to the cockpit. Also, the MGW shifter in my car is actually more quiet than the stock shifter was with the FRRP handle and white ball attached to it, but overall the completely stock shifter and handle combo was most quiet. The little extra noise from the MGW shifter doesn't bother me a bit, neither does the extra little noise from the Fays2 watts link......reminds me of my Dad's 67" fastback when I was a kid. Feels and sounds more like a track car. I've been thinking about doing a backseat delete with a six point cage just to make it look a little more like my Dad's car from way back when.................. note to self........go see Mom and Dad this weekend and dig out those old photo albums! Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSteeds Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I put the Gen 1 shifter in my '08 a couple of years ago. The basic description you gave of the install sounds like exactly what I had to do (aside from the shifter knob), but things went together pretty smoothly. I have several of the same complaints about the Gen 1, namely the excessive play in each gear, notchy shifts, and the throws not being nearly as short as I feel they should be. I get more noise too, but no more than I expected, and no rubbing issues for me. Sixth gear is slightly trickier than it was with the stock shifter. So, doesn't sound to me like the Gen 2 shifter is really too much different than the Gen 1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not really there is a little play but mine is pretty stiff. MGW states on their website that their GT500 shifter has "strong lateral spring load to eliminate the 3rd gear lockout issue with the remote shifter design of the S197 Mustang. Finally, you can powershift from 2nd to 3rd without hesitation". I should note that the MGW came with high durometer bushings installed on both sides of the front support arms but they did send along a set of softer ones that may be better suited for street driving and could possibly cut down on noise transfer to the cockpit. Also, the MGW shifter in my car is actually more quiet than the stock shifter was with the FRRP handle and white ball attached to it, but overall the completely stock shifter and handle combo was most quiet. The little extra noise from the MGW shifter doesn't bother me a bit, neither does the extra little noise from the Fays2 watts link......reminds me of my Dad's 67" fastback when I was a kid. Feels and sounds more like a track car. I've been thinking about doing a backseat delete with a six point cage just to make it look a little more like my Dad's car from way back when.................. note to self........go see Mom and Dad this weekend and dig out those old photo albums! Chip Thanks for the reply, The mount bushings in this shifter are so tough Steeda worked for about an hour just trying to massage them into place and it is SOLID and I'm certain this has a lot to do with the noise transfer. The laterial movement I really hate...when I'm in gear, I want it to feel like I'm in gear and with this shifter you can move it side to side a couple of inches. Enjoy your trip down memory lane..say hi to Mom and Dad..lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I put the Gen 1 shifter in my '08 a couple of years ago. The basic description you gave of the install sounds like exactly what I had to do (aside from the shifter knob), but things went together pretty smoothly. I have several of the same complaints about the Gen 1, namely the excessive play in each gear, notchy shifts, and the throws not being nearly as short as I feel they should be. I get more noise too, but no more than I expected, and no rubbing issues for me. Sixth gear is slightly trickier than it was with the stock shifter. So, doesn't sound to me like the Gen 2 shifter is really too much different than the Gen 1! Well, according to Aussie 67, his Gen I is much better than my Gen II so with that comparision you get the idea how much worse the new shifter is. From your information, many of the characteristics remained the same but many are enhanced and not for the better... I thought the idea of progression was to make things better not worse..lol.....maybe they should call this the Gen I and the old one Gen II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjcorey1 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Well, according to Aussie 67, his Gen I is much better than my Gen II so with that comparision you get the idea how much worse the new shifter is. From your information, many of the characteristics remained the same but many are enhanced and not for the better... I thought the idea of progression was to make things better not worse..lol.....maybe they should call this the Gen I and the old one Gen II. I installed the Shelby Shifter about two weeks ago and had all of the same problems , the 2 little black washers go between the shifter and the body were it mounts in the back with the 2 10mm nuts , that helps a lot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELBYCS6 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I installed the Shelby Shifter about two weeks ago and had all of the same problems , the 2 little black washers go between the shifter and the body were it mounts in the back with the 2 10mm nuts , that helps a lot . C R A P .......I know for a fact they left those out..they thought they were spacers for the shifter lever or something...now what the f**k do I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackout Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Yikes! Now I'm really at odds w/the idea that this may become the standard SS shifter! Did I miss SAI's post about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjcorey1 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 C R A P .......I know for a fact they left those out..they thought they were spacers for the shifter lever or something...now what the f**k do I do... We also left them out , they were in the box with the shift lever so we thought they went on the lever, after I put them on it was much better but not good enough. I went to the hardware store and found some water faucet washers, I put those in, and I think they work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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