maverikb Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Hey all, a older friend of mine is selling a GT500 he bought years ago. He has the original registration that shows its a 67 GT500 but we are unable to locate a vin plate . . . any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Drivers side inner fender panel should have a unique manufacturers plate as shown in the attached pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csm198 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 call or write saac they will help you verify the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 thanks for the help! would that plate be pretty noticeable looking under the hood or do you have to search for it? I opened up the hood but dont see anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 thanks for the help! would that plate be pretty noticeable looking under the hood or do you have to search for it? I opened up the hood but dont see anything like that. As Cali_KR indicated, this is what you're looking for in the engine bay above the left front wheel well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Thanks! The larger image helped but hrmmmmm, it is not there! What does that mean? Can you even buy a car without a vin? As Cali_KR indicated, this is what you're looking for in the engine bay above the left front wheel well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I can see where it is supposed to be, but its just blank. nothing there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I can see where it is supposed to be, but its just blank. nothing there! maverikb, Can you see any evidence of 2 rivet holes in the black sheet metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 from memory I'm going to have to say no (ill double check in a few days when Im over again). my friend who bought it, bought it probably 5 years ago and was rebuilt. the engine compartment looks clean and smooth, fresh paint, etc. they gave him, what they claim, is the original registration, which to me looks legit. But of course I can't find proof on the car itself. Can't go off engine or tranny because I know that is all new too. Any other place I can check? Does the original title help? Why would they remove the vin??? maverikb, Can you see any evidence of 2 rivet holes in the black sheet metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 from memory I'm going to have to say no (ill double check in a few days when Im over again). my friend who bought it, bought it probably 5 years ago and was rebuilt. the engine compartment looks clean and smooth, fresh paint, etc. they gave him, what they claim, is the original registration, which to me looks legit. But of course I can't find proof on the car itself. Can't go off engine or tranny because I know that is all new too. Any other place I can check? Does the original title help? Why would they remove the vin??? There is a secondary location, this one isn't a plate, rather it is hand stamped into the passenger side inner front fender, usually halfway between the radiator support and the firewall. This are very faint, but are there (assuming someone hasn't "done" something to it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Regardless of whether the metal badge is there, they had to cut into the fender edge to put it in. If it isn't there then chances are it is either not a real GT500 or the fender has been replaced at some time. SAAC is your best bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Canfield Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Under where the Shelby stamped VIN would have been there would be a Ford stamped VIN pressed into metal, so even if the fender isn't original, you can loosen up the existing passenger side fender and there should be a stamping with the original VIN. If it a 4 speed car and has the original tranny, it should also be stamped on case as well. SAAC has the Ford VINs for all 67 Shelbys on file and can confirm correct numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hamilton Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Regardless of whether the metal badge is there, they had to cut into the fender edge to put it in. If it isn't there then chances are it is either not a real GT500 or the fender has been replaced at some time. SAAC is your best bet. X 2 , Those guys live to find real ones and weed out the clones and fakes. They can tell you where to look and probably already know any info you'd want to find out on that particular VIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 If i cant find it on the car itself, is it even worth a purchase? does it hurt or affect value if the registration checks out but no vins on the car or can you order new ones? Is a 1967 shelby gt500 worth anything if not restored with original parts? It doesnt look bad, paint is fine but nothing is original. -erik There is a secondary location, this one isn't a plate, rather it is hand stamped into the passenger side inner front fender, usually halfway between the radiator support and the firewall. This are very faint, but are there (assuming someone hasn't "done" something to it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 how would one see this? do you have to go under the car or take anything apart? There is a secondary location, this one isn't a plate, rather it is hand stamped into the passenger side inner front fender, usually halfway between the radiator support and the firewall. This are very faint, but are there (assuming someone hasn't "done" something to it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 how would one see this? do you have to go under the car or take anything apart? No, just open the hood, it should be right there Below is an example...if it is missing this one, and the Shelby plate too...then I'd walk away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 how would one see this? do you have to go under the car or take anything apart? PM me the VIN, and i'll see what the registry shows regarding that vin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverikb Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 took a look at the car and there is 2 rivet holes but no plate. that seems odd to me. maverikb, Can you see any evidence of 2 rivet holes in the black sheet metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickSilverShelby Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Why a "bump" on this topic? QSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 took a look at the car and there is 2 rivet holes but no plate. that seems odd to me. That tells me someone removed the plate. Good news is, it's probably genuine. That plate is NOT the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), it's the Shelby American Serial Number. You WILL have a VIN or CVIN on the car in a few other places. Look on the door A-pillar and/or B-pillar, on the cowl, front fender clip (as shown in the pic with the star at the end of the VIN), etc. Usually the rear axle will have the VIN on it too, if it's the origainal axle housing. Engine, Trans, Rear axle, Body, (sub) Frame and one other place which I can't remember. Those are called a CVIN, for "Confidential Vehicle Identification Number". Authorities use the CVIN to ID a car that someone removed the VIN from. In Calif. you can get a VIN verified by the Calif. Highway Patrol (CHP) Stolen Vehicle Officer. I know there's one in the Salinas office. Your state (if not CA) should have a counterpart to the CA CHP Stolen Vehicle Officer. Or your DMV may be able to help but most times they'll just send you to the State Troopers. HTH, Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Why a "bump" on this topic? QSS I'm interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 That tells me someone removed the plate. Good news is, it's probably genuine. That plate is NOT the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), it's the Shelby American Serial Number. You WILL have a VIN or CVIN on the car in a few other places. Look on the door A-pillar and/or B-pillar, on the cowl, front fender clip (as shown in the pic with the star at the end of the VIN), etc. Usually the rear axle will have the VIN on it too, if it's the origainal axle housing. Engine, Trans, Rear axle, Body, (sub) Frame and one other place which I can't remember. Those are called a CVIN, for "Confidential Vehicle Identification Number". Authorities use the CVIN to ID a car that someone removed the VIN from. In Calif. you can get a VIN verified by the Calif. Highway Patrol (CHP) Stolen Vehicle Officer. I know there's one in the Salinas office. Your state (if not CA) should have a counterpart to the CA CHP Stolen Vehicle Officer. Or your DMV may be able to help but most times they'll just send you to the State Troopers. HTH, Phill Seems easy enough to verify. Can a reproduction "Shelby ID Tag" be purchased if it is a Shelby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 PM me the VIN, and i'll see what the registry shows regarding that vin Curious about the outcome of the VIN. Is it a Shelby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Seems easy enough to verify. Can a reproduction "Shelby ID Tag" be purchased if it is a Shelby? I can't say for sure but according to the guys on Barrett Jackson, yes. There was a '67 clone that was accurate down to the SN Tag and they commented that you can get one on the Internet. Cali_KR can probably shed more light on the subject (he has a classic KR too). Phill Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_KR Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Curious about the outcome of the VIN. Is it a Shelby? I don't have the emails any longer, but it didn't feel right if memory serves... I can't say for sure but according to the guys on Barrett Jackson, yes. There was a '67 clone that was accurate down to the SN Tag and they commented that you can get one on the Internet. Cali_KR can probably shed more light on the subject (he has a classic KR too). Phill Oh yea, real easy to do a repop on the plate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSallie Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 An acquaintance has a quasi rough 67 mustang he claims is a real gt350….the vin is 7R02K182002 The VIN is on the drivers side inner fender…..the plate is missing but its obvious a plate was there at one time. It has all the markings of a real car…steering wheel, wheels, roll bar etc....needs a hefty restoration Is there anyone who can give me a yes or no on that VIN being a Genuine Shelby? Also does it look real?…..price you would pay? Automatic Many thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFM5S141 Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 The value of the car greatly depends on how original the car is. Does it have the original radiator, fuel pump, carb, water pump, brakes, body panels, engine, trans etc? These type of items greatly effect the value of the car. A thorough inspection is the only way to get a good value on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFM5S141 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 you can pay for a report go to www.martiauto.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Thanks! The larger image helped but hrmmmmm, it is not there! What does that mean? Can you even buy a car without a vin? I just saw the plate as shown in the pic attached to this quote, on e-bay yesterday. The place where the stamped in number is was blank so it'd be easy to stamp it with your SN or VIN. I thought I bookmarked it but just checked and it's not in my saved auctions. Search for Shelby Cobra (what I was searching for) and you should find it. Identical to the one in the pic. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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