PlatinumLion Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ok here are the rules for this topic. If there were no MSRP. How much do you think this car is worth. I am sure that most have seen all the photos and memorized the specifications. If the manufacturer did not set a suggested retail price, what would you be willing to pay. No talk of X.XX over MSRP. Please post a dollar amount that you would be willing to write the check for. This will be interesting to see if many would be willing to commit to a price without knowlege of the MSRP. I would like to see how our desire to pay relates to what the manufacturer decides to charge. Please try to post before Ford announces pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Considering that the top-dog engine and trim choice always commanded a decent premium over the regular models during the golden era of muscle cars (roughly 50-75% in most instances), then take a new Mustang GT with average options for around $28K, then add 50-75% and you get $42K to $49K for the coupe - maybe almost $50K. Also, considering that the 385hp 2000 Cobra R cost $55K with its N/A 5.4L DOHC V8, 6-speed manual, Brembos, 18" wheels, and unique body parts while the 2007 Shelby GT500 will be all of this and 90 extra horsepower (no IRS, though) and an argument for a fair price over $55K could be logically made. But, there will be 8,000+ GT500's for 2007, not the super limited 300 Cobra R's, so deduct a bit for the mass production factor (scales of economy for any business majors out there) and a price somewhere slightly south of the Cobra R's $55K makes more sense - maybe almost $50K. Start looking around at the competition (or lack thereof) and you see 425hp SRT-8's selling the mid to upper $40's. 400hp GTO's in the mid $30's. 400hp Vettes in the low $50's and 505hp Z06's in the high $60's to low $70's. Put the GT500 midpack as its hp-to-weight ratio dicates and I can see a "fair" market price in mid to upper $40's for the coupe - maybe almost $50K. In summary - maybe almost $50K. Add $5K for wind in your hair - maybe almost $55K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 It's a tough question because I really love this car!!! I'm on the list at MSRP. Personally, I would be willing to pay between $53,000- $57,000 CDN....maybe a little more but don't tell my dealer that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOval Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 You have to consider that it's *just* a "souped up" Mustang. This isn't some special edition being hand crafted by C. Shelby. The idiots on ebay are paying $30k over sticker for a dream - the dream that they too will own a classic Shelby. They're buying wishful thinking but most prolly have so much jack that they don't care about the cost. The GT500 doesn't compare to the Cobra R primarily due to production #'s and the fact that there wasn't a 500hp $70k Vette available then either. I think the Cobra R price would have been lower if that were the case. Why pay $55k to go get smoked by a Z06??? Why pay $70k today to get smoked by a Z06? People are hard to figure out sometimes. Good buddy of mine just picked up at 2006 400 hp GTO last week for $30,429 delivered. That's pretty far south of "mid-thirties". Regular loaded GT goes for about $31k? Add $4k for the bigger, badder engine and maybe $1000 for the 6 sp transmission... Give 'em another $2k for Brembos on the front and what I hope is a tighter suspension than the base GT... give the starving dealer a few $$ for his trouble and I'd say $39,000 tops for a coupe. This doesn't include any gas guzzler tax. They shouldn't get anymore because they hosed up the trund deck lid, took the upgraded rear brakes away, didn't use a twin-screw blower, and C Shelby did nothing for this car beyond selling his name to it. That's a non-car dealer perspective anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07 Shelby Cobra Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 You have to consider that it's *just* a "souped up" Mustang. This isn't some special edition being hand crafted by C. Shelby. The idiots on ebay are paying $30k over sticker for a dream - the dream that they too will own a classic Shelby. They're buying wishful thinking but most prolly have so much jack that they don't care about the cost. The GT500 doesn't compare to the Cobra R primarily due to production #'s and the fact that there wasn't a 500hp $70k Vette available then either. I think the Cobra R price would have been lower if that were the case. Why pay $55k to go get smoked by a Z06??? Why pay $70k today to get smoked by a Z06? People are hard to figure out sometimes. Good buddy of mine just picked up at 2006 400 hp GTO last week for $30,429 delivered. That's pretty far south of "mid-thirties". Regular loaded GT goes for about $31k? Add $4k for the bigger, badder engine and maybe $1000 for the 6 sp transmission... Give 'em another $2k for Brembos on the front and what I hope is a tighter suspension than the base GT... give the starving dealer a few $$ for his trouble and I'd say $39,000 tops for a coupe. This doesn't include any gas guzzler tax. They shouldn't get anymore because they hosed up the trund deck lid, took the upgraded rear brakes away, didn't use a twin-screw blower, and C Shelby did nothing for this car beyond selling his name to it. That's a non-car dealer perspective anyway. Hmmmm, so do You think it's worth the MSRP then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil95GT Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'm going to throw a bit of a spin on this topic, just because it reminds me of arguments I've had many times with folks who call Mustangs "RWD Escorts". In all seriousness, when I bought my '95 GT brand new, I didn't think it was worth the $20,490 sticker price. Granted, I loved the car, but really wished the sticker was closer to $15K. Just all things considered, I felt that the car was *worth* around $5K less than what it cost new. It wasn't so much the quality, it was more what you're getting for the price. For a new Shelby, wow.............I'd say if there was no MSRP, the car would still be worth mid to high 30s (in my eyes anyhow). But then again, I'm a freakish individual who has trouble imagining *any* car for $50K. I feel this is one kick ass car, with the engine we've all dreamed of, and everything stuffed into a well rounded package. Now, do I think the Shelby is worth the $40K+ it'll likely command? Absolutely. I'm just not in a position to shell out that kind of coin for *any* car. If we didn't have the three Mustangs we currently own, that might be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'm not suggesting that I would pay around $50K, I was just comparing what you're getting versus some similar vehicles. To me, based on my expectations of a car and what this car has to offer, I would be willing to pay around $35K for it. Not gonna happen anytime soon, though. I paid $15K for my brand new 1989 Mustang 5.0L LX Sport back in 1989. It was loaded with most every option. I paid $20K for my brand new 2000 Mustang "spring feature" GT in 2000. I paid just $23K for my brand new 2003 Mach 1 three years ago. These have all been very affordable cars for me, and lots of fun for the money. I can't afford a $40K to $50K car, so I can't even think about buying a GT500 until prices come way down. Do I want one now? Sure do! But, I have more time than money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenkelley Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 You have to consider that it's *just* a "souped up" Mustang. This isn't some special edition being hand crafted by C. Shelby. The idiots on ebay are paying $30k over sticker for a dream - the dream that they too will own a classic Shelby. They're buying wishful thinking but most prolly have so much jack that they don't care about the cost. The GT500 doesn't compare to the Cobra R primarily due to production #'s and the fact that there wasn't a 500hp $70k Vette available then either. I think the Cobra R price would have been lower if that were the case. Why pay $55k to go get smoked by a Z06??? Why pay $70k today to get smoked by a Z06? People are hard to figure out sometimes. Good buddy of mine just picked up at 2006 400 hp GTO last week for $30,429 delivered. That's pretty far south of "mid-thirties". Regular loaded GT goes for about $31k? Add $4k for the bigger, badder engine and maybe $1000 for the 6 sp transmission... Give 'em another $2k for Brembos on the front and what I hope is a tighter suspension than the base GT... give the starving dealer a few $$ for his trouble and I'd say $39,000 tops for a coupe. This doesn't include any gas guzzler tax. They shouldn't get anymore because they hosed up the trund deck lid, took the upgraded rear brakes away, didn't use a twin-screw blower, and C Shelby did nothing for this car beyond selling his name to it. That's a non-car dealer perspective anyway. People seem to forget that back in '68. '69 & '70 the GT350's and GT500's were also built by Ford and not Shelby's own shop. Look at the values today, there is not a huge difference between any of the early cars anymore, except for possibly the '65's, but then they only built 526 of them. I think the fact that the '07's are being built by Ford and given a Shelby production number makes them a legitimate Shelby product. I don't think they will ever appreciate the way the old ones did, but I never thought the old ones would appreciate the way they have either. I'm buying one because I want one, I don't care what the value becomes in the future. I am buying a brand new one because I don't want to buy one that was abused by someone else, I know I am going to have to pay a premium for that right, but I'm willing to do that. I think anyone who doesn't mind buying a used GT500 will be able to find a great buy on one down the road, and I'll bet there will be some nice low-mileage babied cars out there for sale too, because alot of people are gonna but these and tuck them away for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawdude Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Late 2002 I thought I wanted a MB C32 AMG. A guy had a used one with 9000 miles for $48000. Before buying it, I heard about the Infiniti G35 Coupe. MSRP was right at $35,000 plus tax. All of a sudden I couldn't justify the C32. The Infiniti wasn't as fast, but looked way cooler. On top of that, my wife was cool to the C32, but fell in love with the G35. I bought the Infiniti and have not regretted it. Fast forward to 2005. C6 was out and ZO6 was on the way. I loved the new body style. Which should I get. Was on the verge of getting a C6 when I heard about the Shelby to be priced around $40K. Found out wife was cool to the Vette but thought Shelby was way cool. Put Vette on back burner on simmer. If I can get Shelby at MSRP it's a no-brainer - I'll be driving a Ford for the next two or three years. However, if ADM puts it in C6 or ZO6 range . . . well, wife will just have to get over it. I guess that's my way of saying it's worth about $40K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdwaterHotrod Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ok here are the rules for this topic. If there were no MSRP. How much do you think this car is worth. I am sure that most have seen all the photos and memorized the specifications. If the manufacturer did not set a suggested retail price, what would you be willing to pay. No talk of X.XX over MSRP. Please post a dollar amount that you would be willing to write the check for. This will be interesting to see if many would be willing to commit to a price without knowlege of the MSRP. I would like to see how our desire to pay relates to what the manufacturer decides to charge. Please try to post before Ford announces pricing. For your 1st thread PlatinumLion I'm not impressed with it & I will not weigh in with a guess. This is a really BAD topic that will only add gasoline to the fire for dealers who are looking to see what they can get out of the car for those who have money to burn. ARE YOU A DEALER? And why would this be your 1st question with all those stipulations? Their are many more threads that are more entertaining then this question. Somethings not right here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orf Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Somethings not right here?? That's what I thought when I first read the post early this morning. I figured it was an internet sales mgr looking for some wild numbers. I'm perfectly happy to be wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdwaterHotrod Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 That's what I thought when I first read the post early this morning. I figured it was an internet sales mgr looking for some wild numbers. I'm perfectly happy to be wrong, though. Time will tell if & when He or she replies back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumLion Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 No I am not a dealer. Geeze you guys think that most dealers would look here to determine what to sell the car for. If they did they would realize how idiotic it is to pull the ADM on someone. I do work at a dealership however. And unfortunately they will be doing the ADM game. They do this type of thing regardless of what is posted here. But that is what leads me to ask the question. I would like to have one myself, and two years ago thought that I would have a chance. But I think I will do the sane thing and wait for the hype to die down. I do not need to have the first car built. So I can wait. I am certain once the rush is over patience will prevail. My interest is to try to have people think about what they feel the value of the car is. Five Oh has it right. Determine what you think about the car. I wanted to see if the car is valued above or below what people will be willing to pay. Myself I would probably pay 50K for the coupe and 55K for the convertible, however I think if I wait I can get a car at the dealership program cost. If the car were more money then I would take the leap for a more extreme car. For what it is worth we have the Supercharged Saleen on hand for 55K and I would pay that kind of money for a Facory built ride. (GT 500) So there you have it. I am not doing this for research I am doing this out of curiosity. So if you do not want to play then write down your number on a little post it note and tape it to your computer (where I cannot see it) and when the pricing is announced you can see if you think the car is worth it. That was the Goal. And I appologise for just being a lurker on the board and not posting sooner. However Five Oh does such a good job of responding you do not need another voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6707Shelby Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Time will tell if & when He or she replies back? I would think that the relationship of a Mustang GT and a Shelby GT500 is similar to the 67 model year . A 67 GT500 sold for 4150.00 give or take 100 bucks. a 67 mustang was about 2800.00. Multiply both of these x10 and here we are in 2007. 28k for a GT and 42K for a GT500. I guess this is the right price. I think Ford has the price set about right, and there will always be people that can purchase what they want and price is not an factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdwaterHotrod Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Thanks for your honesty.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumLion Posted April 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I will take that as an appology for THE YELLING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Regular loaded GT goes for about $31k? Add $4k for the bigger, badder engine and maybe $1000 for the 6 sp transmission... Give 'em another $2k for Brembos on the front and what I hope is a tighter suspension than the base GT... give the starving dealer a few $$ for his trouble and I'd say $39,000 tops for a coupe. This doesn't include any gas guzzler tax. Load up a 2007 Mustang GT and you're paying about $31K, as you said. However, have you priced up a bigger, badder engine lately? It's not $4k. Have you priced buying just a supercharger (and related labor expense) for a modular-motored Mustang? It's about $6K-$8K for parts, labor, and tuning time to get it dialed in correctly by a decent shop. How about a replacement engine instead? Try $12K for the Cammer 5.0L in the FR500C, or $35K for the GT(40)'s 5.4L S/C DOHC. Ask Sean Hyland Motorsports to build you a 475hp 5.4L for $4K and prepare for laughter. Even if you deduct a "core" charge for "trading-in" the Mustang GT's 300hp engine (if you could), you can still see that the engine upgrade is likley worth about $10K to $15K all by itself. We're over $40K already without upgrading the suspension, rolling stock, drivetrain, and sheet metal. About 80% of the GT500's suspension is straight from Ford Racing's FR500C Grand Am Cup car. Throw in the Brembo brakes now. Can you really get all of that for just $2K? Call up D&D for a new T56 trans and after the core charge you're still paying around $2K for your new 6-speed - not $1K. Anyone here with 17" (or god forbid 15 or 16 inch) wheels price up a quality set of 18x9.5 wheels and rubber? Add a couple grand for that. This stuff adds up fast. Why do you think that a Cervini C-500 Mustang costs close to $60K or a Saleen Extreme is in the high $50's? How about a Roush Stage III? Mid to upper $50's. And these three examples all use a 4.6L SOHC V8 - not a 5.4L DOHC V8. Ford is selling all of this for an MSRP of nearly $20K less than the tuners or doing the work yourself on a GT. Sure, lots of dealers are adding ADM's to the early GT500's, but even with the ADM's you can see that the total price will still be a value compared to the alternatives. And if you're lucky enough to get a GT500 at MSRP, then you've hit the lottery and saved almost $20K versus trying to replicate this car some other way. SVT has always provided one hell of a value in its products. This one is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtbird91 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Five Oh B @ Apr 1 2006, 04:46 PM) 6729[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Ford is selling all of this for an MSRP of nearly $20K less than the tuners or doing the work yourself on a GT. Sure, lots of dealers are adding ADM's to the early GT500's, but even with the ADM's you can see that the total price will still be a value compared to the alternatives. And if you're lucky enough to get a GT500 at MSRP, then you've hit the lottery and saved almost $20K versus trying to replicate this car some other way. SVT has always provided one hell of a value in its products. This one is no different. Well said Five Oh B ,I couldn't agree more! People can't believe that my Lightning was only about $30,000 when I bought it new. I had many people tell me they thought it cost about 40-45 g's at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 SVT has always provided one hell of a value in its products. This one is no different. Well said Five Oh B ,I couldn't agree more! People can't believe that my Lightning was only about $30,000 when I bought it new. I had many people tell me they thought it cost about 40-45 g's at the time. Now imagine taking an F150 regular cab XLT 4x2 flareside and modding it to perform like the SVT Lightning. Start with a $20K truck and start adding engine, drivetrain, wheels, tires, suspension, body kit, and you could easily spend $50K to replicate what Ford sold for roughly $30K like svtbird91's "L." I've seen people do this and it kills me to learn that they've got thousands (or more) into a truck when they could have spent less to start with and would have had the real thing. Oh a side note, svtbird91, I had a chance to autocross new, stock 2003 SVT Lightnings at the Bob Bondurant track in AZ in 2002. While the instructor cars ('99 SVT Cobras with modified suspensions and racing tires with professionals driving) were turning 0:58 to 0:59 second laps, I was able to run back-to-back 1:01 laps with the bone stock Lightnings! Awesome trucks as I'm sure you know! I all but fell over dead laughing when Dodge brought out the SRT-10 Ram pickups. 500hp and $50-$60K, but so fat & heavy that a $30K SVT Lightning could keep up or outperform it in every performance category! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOWARD GIRE Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 It's a tough question because I really love this car!!! I'm on the list at MSRP. Personally, I would be willing to pay between $53,000- $57,000 CDN....maybe a little more but don't tell my dealer that... I KNOW THIS TOPIC IS BEING BEAT TO DEATH, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDICATION AS TO WHEN A PRICE WOULD BE ANNOUNCED? THIS ANTICIPATION IS REALLY GETTING TO ME. I NEED TO FIND OUT IF I WILL NEED MORE MONEY, BUT I SUPPOSE YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT. MY DEALER WON'T INDICATE IF AND HOW MUCH MARKUP HE WILL IMPOSE ON THE PRICE TAG. IS THERE A PROJECTED DATE OR ANYTHING CLOSE FOR DISCLOSURE? :wacko: :wacko: :blink: I KNOW THIS TOPIC IS BEING BEAT TO DEATH, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDICATION AS TO WHEN A PRICE WOULD BE ANNOUNCED? THIS ANTICIPATION IS REALLY GETTING TO ME. I NEED TO FIND OUT IF I WILL NEED MORE MONEY, BUT I SUPPOSE YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT. MY DEALER WON'T INDICATE IF AND HOW MUCH MARKUP HE WILL IMPOSE ON THE PRICE TAG. IS THERE A PROJECTED DATE OR ANYTHING CLOSE FOR DISCLOSURE? :wacko: :wacko: :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOval Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 er... you can make a stock 5.4L get 350HP at the wheels for about $7500. That'll give you alot more power than a stock "L". If I want to outrun an "L" in a RCSB truck, I'm not going to waste money on a body kit - I'll spend it all on "go fast" parts. Some people prefer to "roll their own" rather than own the "real thing" as you call it. You might say it gives them a sense of accomplishment that can't be had by writing a check and then turning a key. B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ Apr 1 2006, 07:26 PM) 6746[/snapback] Now imagine taking an F150 regular cab XLT 4x2 flareside and modding it to perform like the SVT Lightning. Start with a $20K truck and start adding engine, drivetrain, wheels, tires, suspension, body kit, and you could easily spend $50K to replicate what Ford sold for roughly $30K like svtbird91's "L." I've seen people do this and it kills me to learn that they've got thousands (or more) into a truck when they could have spent less to start with and would have had the real thing. Oh a side note, svtbird91, I had a chance to autocross new, stock 2003 SVT Lightnings at the Bob Bondurant track in AZ in 2002. While the instructor cars ('99 SVT Cobras with modified suspensions and racing tires with professionals driving) were turning 0:58 to 0:59 second laps, I was able to run back-to-back 1:01 laps with the bone stock Lightnings! Awesome trucks as I'm sure you know! I all but fell over dead laughing when Dodge brought out the SRT-10 Ram pickups. 500hp and $50-$60K, but so fat & heavy that a $30K SVT Lightning could keep up or outperform it in every performance category! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I sort of agree with coldwaterhotrod, but would like to answer the question. I have my Shelby ordered but can barely afford the $45000 (or whatever) pricetag. I just absolutely love this car (shelby or no shelby) I love the looks, I love the specs., I just love the car. I have always loved Mustangs (even '75-'78 Mustangs) and this car is like the KING of all past and future stangs. To me it is worth it and I am glad Ford is trying to keep it in our reaches, and hope these crooked dealers get their just due. I JUST LOVE THIS CAR ! Love it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'd pay 45k for the coupe and 50k for the vert. I paid more and I'd do it again (even considering the problems with the early builds). The car brings a smile to my face every time I turn it on. It makes working almost worth it........ALMOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisA Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Coupe $45,000.00 Vert $50,000.00 08 KR $65,000.00 09 KR $60,000.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Holy 3 year grave dig Grabber !!.........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brands5.0 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am just glad i didnt pay a big mark up. I was helping a friend look at cars this weekend and the sales men offered me 26k for mine. my 46k gt500 has become a 26k mustang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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