Madlock Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 It seems that 2011 marks a whole different ball of wax with respect to the Pro Cal II PCM programmer - and is only being sold in conjunction with the FR blower upgrades because, since the vehicle already has a factory CAI, there's no OEM FR upgrade that would cause the PCM to require programming. This becomes relevant for me because, for all Ford vehicles from the 2010 model year forward, Ford service cannot reprogram other vehicle properties like the tire diameter or revolutions per mile. Only those wheel and tire sizes available as OE items are supported through your friendly Ford dealer - and apparently FR shop now too. I realize I can go to the aftermarket and SCM for something that will give me virtually unfettered access to all the dark corners of my GT500's PCM, but I'd rather stay within OEM spec if possible - particularly if it were ever to impact warranty. And while I could simply default to the baseline GT500 wheel and tire sizes, I'd rather stay with a taller sidewall on the rear wheel to both improve ride comfort AND stay as reasonably close to the 28" diameter as possible. The problem is that the tires I prefer aren't available in an exact match, so I'd like a little latitude - and the ability to program accordingly. Does anybody know if the ProCal II supports open specifications for wheel and tire sizes? I know a unique software license must be obtained for every FR OEM power modification (to remain in warranty). But are wheel and tire size within this locked-out area (if supported at all)? Thanks! P.S. Damn Goodyear (and Ford) for not requiring even a generic all-season tire be produced in OE SVTPP sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Im not sure what you're asking. I have a 2010 Procal II that came with my TVS and I have full adjustabilty regarding tire size. Just dail in the revs per mile. Does this answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDan Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I can adjust tire size with my SCT x3 on my tuned 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 The OP wants to be able to adjust the tire size with a Pro Cal II. The only problem is he can't get one without having to buy a blower upgrade. He would rather not use an SCT device and stay with Ford because of warranty concerns. His question is can he get the device somehow without having to buy a blower kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Unfortunately the answer is no. FR absolutely will not sell a Pro Cal as a stand alone. He's also asking if the "ProCal II supports open specifications for wheel and tire sizes" and the answer is yes. Maybe the OP can decipher a little more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Unfortunately the answer is no. FR absolutely will not sell a Pro Cal as a stand alone. He's also asking if the "ProCal II supports open specifications for wheel and tire sizes" and the answer is yes. Maybe the OP can decipher a little more... I understand Ford doesn't sell them as a "standalone" item - but that doesn't mean I don't (or couldn't) have access to one. But if you're telling me I can use a ProCal II to dial-in any tire size (revolution per mile) setting I'd like for my 2011 GT500 SVTPP, I'm golden. Do you know if it will also support programming different final drive ratios? (i.e. 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10)? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Do you know if it will also support programming different final drive ratios? (i.e. 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10)? Yes. The one I got with my FRPP/Whipple 2.9L allows me to program tire size and (rear axle) gear ratios. I'll look and see if my instruction sheet for the Pro-Cal has the info on it. If it does, I'll see if I can scan it and post it here. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 I understand Ford doesn't sell them as a "standalone" item - but that doesn't mean I don't (or couldn't) have access to one. But if you're telling me I can use a ProCal II to dial-in any tire size (revolution per mile) setting I'd like for my 2011 GT500 SVTPP, I'm golden. Do you know if it will also support programming different final drive ratios? (i.e. 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10)? Thanks. That's what I'm saying. If you get access to a procal you can do tire and axle size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tob Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 I'll look and see if my instruction sheet for the Pro-Cal has the info on it. If it does, I'll see if I can scan it and post it here. Here ya go... http://www.fordracingparts.com/calibration/instructions.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Here ya go... http://www.fordracin...nstructions.pdf Thanks a bunch. The Pro Cal II arrived today. (I bought one someone received as part of a previous performance upgrade but did not use). Before I use it, can anybody offer any insight into whether or not I need to do anything special before I use it? The unit was apparently programmed for a 2009 GT500 supercharger upgrade, and I certainly don't want to be hosing my engine's stock settings with those intended for an entirely different car. I'm not interested in changing any part of the tune - only accessing the aspects that control tire size (revolutions) and final drive ratio. Can I use the unit "as is", or must I contact SVT for reprogramming information? The instructions admonish people to NOT connect the unit to vehicles other than the one for which the tune was created. Is this relevant if I'm not accessing the tune functions or does connecting the unit access the tune functions by default? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 My understanding is you must load the performance tune in order to change the tire size and gear ratio (Axle) parameters. I wouldn't load the performance tune unless your car is equipped with the necessary hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 My understanding is you must load the performance tune in order to change the tire size and gear ratio (Axle) parameters. I wouldn't load the performance tune unless your car is equipped with the necessary hardware. Thanks. That's what I feared - (unfortunately not until after I bought it). Do you know if the vehicle's existing (stock) tune can be captured and saved as the "Performance" tune? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 The only way the pro cal will save the stock tune is if you load the "Performance Calibration" that came with the tuner. It is part of the loading process. I wouldn't even plug the procal in to be safe. (I doubt it would load the existing tune anyway as tuner would detect a different PCM and give you an error message.) The bad news... Since you don't have any upgrades that require a different calibration, Ford Racing will not help you. Your only alternative is to buy an SCT or Diablo from on of our vendors along with a tune. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 My understanding is you must load the performance tune in order to change the tire size and gear ratio (Axle) parameters. That's my understanding too but you could always *start* a reflash and cancel if it doesn't let you change JUST the parameter you decide... Hmm, now that I think about it...can't I use mine to change JUST my gear or tire size? I'd have my 2.9L tune installed already though. I would think that it would allow me that option in case I changed my gears or tires AFTER I install my Whipple...no? Hmmmmmmmm, Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 That's my understanding too but you could always *start* a reflash and cancel if it doesn't let you change JUST the parameter you decide... Hmm, now that I think about it...can't I use mine to change JUST my gear or tire size? I'd have my 2.9L tune installed already though. I would think that it would allow me that option in case I changed my gears or tires AFTER I install my Whipple...no? Hmmmmmmmm, Phill The pro cal works like the SCT....each time you change parameters you have to reload the tune altogther. Only the Predator allows parameters to be changed without reloading the whole tune. That's one of the things I liked about it. Is that what you're asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Hmm, now that I think about it...can't I use mine to change JUST my gear or tire size? Yes you can, but only after the performance tune is loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 I apparently bought a brick. Although Ford seems to be very interested in who sold it - as they apparently impose some pretty restrictive licensing/ownership restrictions upon their use and conditions of transfer. Anyway, I noticed the Ford Performance Group site has two Pro-Cal units offered for sale - one listed as being w/o Core Return and one as with. Might these provide me the simple access to the Tire Rev. Diff Ratio, and Octane settings I'd like to be able to modify? Any insight? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 I apparently bought a brick. Although Ford seems to be very interested in who sold it - as they apparently impose some pretty restrictive licensing/ownership restrictions upon their use and conditions of transfer. Anyway, I noticed the Ford Performance Group site has two Pro-Cal units offered for sale - one listed as being w/o Core Return and one as with. Might these provide me the simple access to the Tire Rev. Diff Ratio, and Octane settings I'd like to be able to modify? Any insight? Thanks. That is for the original Procal tool, which required you to return a core to receive another one programmed for a different gear ratio and/or tire size. The original did not allow you to change any parameters on the fly. I appreciate your quest for an OEM PCM solution, but I'm afraid you're not going to find a silver bullet, at least not yet. There might be a non-PCM solution for calibrating your speedometer. Ford Racing offers a speedometer adjuster (M-4209ADPT-A), but it does not list the 2011 or any SVT models for applicability; you'll have to inquire with Ford Racing. Here's some information: http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11682 http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-4209ADPT-A.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 That is for the original Procal tool, which required you to return a core to receive another one programmed for a different gear ratio and/or tire size. The original did not allow you to change any parameters on the fly. I appreciate your quest for an OEM PCM solution, but I'm afraid you're not going to find a silver bullet, at least not yet. There might be a non-PCM solution for calibrating your speedometer. Ford Racing offers a speedometer adjuster (M-4209ADPT-A), but it does not list the 2011 or any SVT models for applicability; you'll have to inquire with Ford Racing. Here's some information: http://www.fordracin...tKeyField=11682 http://www.fordracin...-4209ADPT-A.pdf Thanks a bunch for the guidance. The Ford Show Parts site lists an original Pro Cal tool with and without a "core". Forgive my ignorance, but could I purchase one compatible with my '11 if I were to provide them with the specs I wanted? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Thanks a bunch for the guidance. The Ford Show Parts site lists an original Pro Cal tool with and without a "core". Forgive my ignorance, but could I purchase one compatible with my '11 if I were to provide them with the specs I wanted? Thanks! No, not unless you have a Ford Racing product (i.e., CAI, supercharger, etc.) that requires a performance calibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 No, not unless you have a Ford Racing product (i.e., CAI, supercharger, etc.) that requires a performance calibration. Sounds like I may be better-off buying a NEW CAI for the '10 to put on my '11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Here's a good aftermarket solution offered by VMP Tuning for the 2011. You can select the stock intake or a number of different intakes available on the market. The SCT programmer should allow you to select gear ratio, tire size and other parameters not available from the Procal. It is a custom tune so you'll get a performance boost as well. http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=163&parent=88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slabo Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Sounds like I may be better-off buying a NEW CAI for the '10 to put on my '11. It is my understanding that the ECU in the 2011's are new and requires a tuner specifically for the 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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