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Forgive me if this has already been discussed elsewhere, but despite being a problem to which I'd been researching solutions without much success for some time, I've only come across this particular solution tonight and haven't yet seen it mentioned.

 

I'd been looking for alternatives to the SVTPP wheels and tires due to the inordinate cost and wear of the SVTPP wheels and tires and their relatively narrow scope of use due to temperature limitations and their design that favors track use. Unfortunately, the F-1 G: 2's are the only tire combination meant to fit the staggered 20/19 SVTPP setup.

 

I'd been considering the relatively attractive and fairly similar RTR 19" wheels with all-season tires for everyday use, but was never quite settled or satisfied with the outcome. I then visited the FRPP web site and looked at their performance upgrades for the baseline 2011 GT500 and saw wheels identical to the SVTPP style, only in 19 x 10 and 19 x 9 sizes with a sub-$500 SRP.

 

Presuming sufficient offset and clearance, I'm thinking of simply replacing the 20 x 9.5 rear wheels with the 19 x 10 FRPP alternatives. The part numbers are M-1007-SA199 and M-1007-SA1910. Although they do vary from the factory wheel offset (51 and 40 F/R versus 45), I'm hoping to find a wider rear tire combination that will also help me to take fuller advantage of the GT500's handling - particularly after installing a Watts Link in the rear.

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Yes, they were just released. I just received two of the 19x10s yesterday. $403/ea. They are forged. They are made in Taiwan. Beautiful wheels. I plan to switch out the Ford Racing center caps to SVT or the Tiffany Cobra center caps.

 

 

Just out of curiosity, are the stock wheels (on the GT500) made in Taiwan?

 

Thanks.

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Just out of curiosity, are the stock wheels (on the GT500) made in Taiwan?

 

Thanks.

 

I don't know if the OEM SVTPP wheels are made in Taiwan. My guess is that they are, I do know that the 2011 non SVTPP wheels on the coupes and verts are made in Taiwan. The 2010 coupe wheels are also made in Taiwan.

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Non svtpp wheels are also made in taiwan and I have a set of the svt raptor wheels on my 07 f150 which say made in china. Kills me. I may have gone with those wheels had I seen them before I found the RTRs..

 

 

Ain't that ALWAYS the way it works? :( I myself was within mere mouseclicks of those RTR's, which I understand to be very nicely-made wheels - and at 75% of the price, if that's any consolation. I just find it infuriating that the same wheel that comes in 9.5" form as the stock front wheel would be MORE than $1,200 to replace on a parts basis, while the 9" or 10" width of the same wheel is +/- $400 for absolutely no sound reason whatsoever.

 

As a shareholder and loyal Ford supporter, it's actually in my interest to see Ford profit to the maximum degree from all its dealings - but I believe these kinds of nonsensical pricing discrepancies only foments bad will among customers who, let's face it, would be likely to buy the $400 FRPP wheels because they happen to resemble the stock GT500 wheels. I'd actually feel MUCH better about paying MORE for each of THESE if the stock GT500 SVTPP wheels were more reasonably-priced with parity that has at least SOME basis in the actual production cost.

 

I'd gladly open my wallet to FoMoCo - after all, I already did to the tune nearly $60K for my GT500. And the fact that I was willing to do that (for a G/D MUSTANG) was far less offensive to me than having my pocket picked would be were I to need to replace the OEM wheels and had to pay their official going rate. Oh well - and so the crusade continues.

 

My only OTHER regret is that the same 20" factory wheel isn't ALSO available in 9" and 10" form to match. It would completely liberate SVTPP owners from being bound to their F-1 G: 2's to maintain any kind of factory spec for those who want to be appearance-consistent, particularly for as long as the F-1 G: 2's happen to be the ONLY tire to fit the factory wheel setup as it exists today. Had this NOT been my first GT500, or were I less likely to eventually trade-up/forward/whatever, I probably would have chosen to implement as much as I could of the SVTPP on a component basis and forgoing the special ESC programming for the sake of not being bound to these damned wheels and tires which wouldn't be NEARLY so bad if other tires were available that fit without having to resort to specialized PCM reprogramming which remains unclear if Ford yet supports (officially or otherwise) for 2011 SVTPP.

 

I suppose it really emphasizes both the extent to which the benefit Ford intended the SVTPP to deliver being rooted in being able to drive the F-1 G: 2's in their sweet spot - temperature and condition-wise. The fact that SVT won't even breathe a word about any other wheel or tire configurations unless it happens to be for the purposes of fitting the car with winter tires - which presumably would either inherently limit its performance envelope to such a degree that the aggressive setup becomes meaningless, or because driving it with the F-1 G: 2's during any kind of cold or winter creates inherently more liability for Ford's lawyers than giving people a winter recommendation - even if it deviates from what they've tested and stamped with their seal of approval.

 

This is just another opportunity Ford isn't fully exploiting through which they could do a GREAT deal to engender new and future owners by virtue of demystifying what they've tried to accomplish in plain terms - and giving candid answers, even if only within the context of being unofficial NON advice. I guess 30 years generally spent trying to gloss-over deficiencies in most products only naturally leads to certain cultural behaviors within the company, and now that they have a product with true "world class" potential, Ford isn't quite yet able to immediately embrace the merits of greater transparency. Every past thing kept secret used to be a potential problem avoided. Today, it's an opportunity potentially missed.

 

As for the tires I'd use, I really don't yet know - othrer than the wheel width issues seem to work within the tolerances of the all-season and other tire selections that would work with the RTR's.which, for the SVTPP and to retain its 28" rear wheel diameter, continue to leave me favoring the Continental ExtremeContact DWS. In conjunction with a Watts linkage in the back-end, I'd hope the result would leave me with a bit more ride comfort with the improved rear-end predictability offsetting any difference in traction, handling and power transfer efficiency by having to go to a 275 rather than 285 rear tire width.

 

The biggest upside to the 10" rear wheel width, even in a 19" diameter, is that could handle a wider maximum wheel width, but I have no idea just how wide it's possible to go with a rear wheel in a 28" overall tire height and whether or not the maximum tire width is already limited by the physical dimensions the wheel well can accommodate more than the maximum width a 9.5" wheel can handle - i.e. whether a tire would rub before exceeding the wheel's ability to hold it.

 

I'm likely to move ahead with some sort of wheel going forward, and these are likely to play a key part. The decision to use a 10" rear wheel may have more-or-less been made for me by the wheel that's available. What I don't yet know is whether or not I'll also move to a narrower front wheel too in order to have a complete second wheel and tire set - though I suppose I theoretically could simply use 10" wide 19" wheels all around if I wanted to.

 

It only further exacerbates how much it sucks that the 9.5" version of this same goddamned wheel (the one that's actually used for the front wheels on the SVTPP) is more than 3 x the price each for no good reason whatsoever - so I'd have to either pony-up an additional $1,600 or so to maintain a 9.5" front wheel width - or be willing to swap tires back and forth on the same wheels until either the tire bead gives-out or odds catch-up with tire wheel installers and somebody scratches the hell out of the wheel. I'm sure there's some rationale somewhere that helps this all make sense - even if only from Ford's perspective. I just don't know what the hell it could be at the moment. The next shareholder meeting is only 6 months away. Maybe I'll ask Alan Mulally or Bill Ford personally.

 

In the meantime, it may be cheaper to simply fly to Taiwan and bring back a set of the factory SVTPP wheels. Normally, I could probably even come up with a reasonable rationalization to make the trip - but with the Greenback quickly becoming worth the equivalent of Costco's best toilet paper, there's probably no potential upside left there either. :)

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Non svtpp wheels are also made in taiwan and I have a set of the svt raptor wheels on my 07 f150 which say made in china. Kills me. I may have gone with those wheels had I seen them before I found the RTRs..

 

 

Im planning to buy this wheels from Evolution, are you using the Falken FK-452 255/40R19 Front - 275/40R19 Rear that they recommend? is so are they good? I was planning to use 275/40 in all four wheel like the Roush cars come with, do you guys see any problem with that?

Thanks

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Im planning to buy this wheels from Evolution, are you using the Falken FK-452 255/40R19 Front - 275/40R19 Rear that they recommend? is so are they good? I was planning to use 275/40 in all four wheel like the Roush cars come with, do you guys see any problem with that?

Thanks

 

 

I just transfered over my stock goodyears and they fit perfectly. Same wheel size just offset outside slightly more with RTRs

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Im planning to buy this wheels from Evolution, are you using the Falken FK-452 255/40R19 Front - 275/40R19 Rear that they recommend? is so are they good? I was planning to use 275/40 in all four wheel like the Roush cars come with, do you guys see any problem with that?

Thanks

 

 

 

Are you replacing baseline GT500 or SVTPP wheels and tires?

 

Was in Evolution's shop only last week. Coincidentally, they happen to be about 1/2 mile from the main rail yard where every GT500 for the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic is delivered prior to being trucked to stores.

 

 

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Yes, they were just released. I just received two of the 19x10s yesterday. $403/ea. They are forged. They are made in Taiwan. Beautiful wheels. I plan to switch out the Ford Racing center caps to SVT or the Tiffany Cobra center caps.

 

 

 

Nice wheels!!! Do you think there is anyway possible that 19x10 would fit on the front? Would it rub the caliper? I would like to get 4 of the 19x10 and widen 2 of them to 11" for rear. I just don't get why all the wheels made for front are always narrower than the stock 9.5" It seems the only way to get a 9.5' wheel for front other than stock is to get a CUSTOM wheel made, and I don't want to spend that much. Would be great if you could do a test fit on front to see if it would fit or where the interference would come into play.

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Are you replacing baseline GT500 or SVTPP wheels and tires?

 

Was in Evolution's shop only last week. Coincidentally, they happen to be about 1/2 mile from the main rail yard where every GT500 for the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic is delivered prior to being trucked to stores.

 

 

My wheels are Black 18" Ford Racing, see attachement.post-25419-076548200 1290881103_thumb.jpg

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Nice wheels!!! Do you think there is anyway possible that 19x10 would fit on the front? Would it rub the caliper? I would like to get 4 of the 19x10 and widen 2 of them to 11" for rear. I just don't get why all the wheels made for front are always narrower than the stock 9.5" It seems the only way to get a 9.5' wheel for front other than stock is to get a CUSTOM wheel made, and I don't want to spend that much. Would be great if you could do a test fit on front to see if it would fit or where the interference would come into play.

 

 

The reason I bought only two of the 19x10s is that I am going to try them on the front. If it works then I going with 19x10s on all four corners. I am headed out of town for the next several weeks so I won't get back to this project until after Christmas. I will give you a heads up when I try the 19x10 fitment on the front.

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The reason I bought only two of the 19x10s is that I am going to try them on the front. If it works then I going with 19x10s on all four corners. I am headed out of town for the next several weeks so I won't get back to this project until after Christmas. I will give you a heads up when I try the 19x10 fitment on the front.

 

 

 

Awesome!! Will gladly await your results....

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I looked at these a while ago but have not pulled the trigger.

 

I'm eagerly awaiting one piece of information before I decide to buy them. How much can you widen then 19x10's before you get rubbing issues out back? 10.5? 11? 11.25?. If it's 11+ with no modifications to the rear end I'm sold on a set of two rears. I will be looking at getting a meatier tire out back before I feel good about adding 80-250 extra horsepower(pulley/tune or blower).

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I'm afraid it may ultimately be up to putting the car on a lift and grabbing a tape measure combined with your risk tolerance. At the end of the day, I had to accept that if I wanted to keep the SVTPP factory 28" rear tire diameter, I'm going to be width-limited by virtue of the tires in existence that fall without compatible width/aspect ratio boundaries. Try though I may, I just can't get go wider than 275 for the rear. And if that's the case, a 9.5" width seems to be more ideal than either 9" or 10".

 

Unfortunately, that means either re-mounting the factory front wheels on the rear with different tires or spending $2,600 rather than $800 for just the rear wheels In either case, with the relative offset of the FR wheels compensating by adding 1/2 of the wheel width difference to the relative offset, (i.e. the 10" wheels are +51 rather than +45, and the 9" wheels being +40) they eem to want to keep the distance between the inner rim and the wheel well and suspension components to farther inward than it happens to be.

 

What I don't yet fully grasp is the full impact of the performance and characteristic difference in running say a 275mm tire width on a 9.5" wheel versus a 10". Any help?

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What I don't yet fully grasp is the full impact of the performance and characteristic difference in running say a 275mm tire width on a 9.5" wheel versus a 10". Any help?

 

 

I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to tire stuff but I'll share the small amout of information I've gleaned off of various forums and from friends.

 

I'm not certain that one half inch would make a huge difference in the stretch of the tire so it might actually be a nominal difference based on the above circumstance. When Nitto specs out tire sizes for rims they have a range that they recommend. For instance a 275 tire would be recommended for rims between 9.5-10.

 

What I can say is that generally more sidewall is good in regards to traction. I would always personally go with the lower of any recommendation from the tire producers. The ricers around here do something called "stretching" a process were they stretch as narrow a tire possible on a wide rim. They call it "fitment" or "hellaflush". It's ridiculous and gives them terrible traction. I guess when you're packing a fearsome 110 horse power then traction is not so much an issue. Generally drag racers look for more sidewall, thus a small rim with lots of sidewall. I think I would tend to lean towards going with more sidewall when given the option.

 

With an 19x11 inch rim using a 315 tire I think I could get very close to factory height on the rear tires.

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Thanks, EZ. That's really helpful. It does seem the merits of a wider wheel are their ability to accommodate a wider tire, but as long as a wheel is within the manufacturer's recommended width range, although there may be tire-to-tire variances in terms of how it may perform on its narrowest recommended wheel size and its widest, the on-road difference is likely to be nominal - at least to the point of being a secondary consideration, if that.

 

One thing I like about car-related forums is that it seems like the only place left where somebody can say something as politically-incorrect as "ricer" and get away with it. Thank God there's at least one place left.

 

P.S. Every time I see your Grabber Blue nose shot I wish I had gone that way.

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One thing I like about car-related forums is that it seems like the only place left where somebody can say something as politically-incorrect as "ricer" and get away with it. Thank God there's at least one place left.

 

P.S. Every time I see your Grabber Blue nose shot I wish I had gone that way.

 

 

That phrase is so common around here that I don't even think about it. The import community calls them ricers...the ricers call each other ricers.

 

The only tiny lament I have about my color choice is that keeping it clean and swirl free is a chore. However having my last three vehicles come in light metallic colors I think any color other then the silver would by comparison be a chore. I don't think I'd give up the color though it's so eye catching. The color shade in the nose shot is pretty accurate under that kind of light but it has so many other shades depending on the lighting. It really is a gorgeous color. Truthfully I'd take any of the colors!

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That phrase is so common around here that I don't even think about it. The import community calls them ricers...the ricers call each other ricers.

 

The only tiny lament I have about my color choice is that keeping it clean and swirl free is a chore. However having my last three vehicles come in light metallic colors I think any color other then the silver would by comparison be a chore. I don't think I'd give up the color though it's so eye catching. The color shade in the nose shot is pretty accurate under that kind of light but it has so many other shades depending on the lighting. It really is a gorgeous color. Truthfully I'd take any of the colors!

 

 

I absolutely agree - on all counts. What I also love is how closely it resembles a Viagra - for those of us enjoying our mid-life crises. :)

 

As I consider whether to make a change in 2012 or beyond, I hope Ford keeps Grabber Blue alive as an "iconic" color. For what it's worth, my count has just 4% of both Coupes and Convertibles being Grabber Blue - 168 and 38 in all, respectively. At the other extreme, more than 35% are Black, but there's no doubt which makes a bigger (or better) impression.

 

What I found most surprising was the phasing-out of Sterling Grey Metallic versus keeping Ingot Silver. Although Ford has phased-out SGM on other vehicles like Flex and Lincoln is replacing it with a different hue, about 9.5% of GT500 were Sterling Grey versus about 5.5% that were Ingot Silver. I think they managed to hit the nail with Race Red (21%). I wonder what their new Ruby Red will be like.

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I don't know if the OEM SVTPP wheels are made in Taiwan. My guess is that they are, I do know that the 2011 non SVTPP wheels on the coupes and verts are made in Taiwan. The 2010 coupe wheels are also made in Taiwan.

 

 

Any news on front fitment of the 19x10s?

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The reason I bought only two of the 19x10s is that I am going to try them on the front. If it works then I going with 19x10s on all four corners. I am headed out of town for the next several weeks so I won't get back to this project until after Christmas. I will give you a heads up when I try the 19x10 fitment on the front.

 

 

Lets try this again....

 

Any news on front fitment of the 19x10s?

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They fit. 10" front and rear. 305/30/19s rear, 275/35/19s front.

 

 

Wow. Those 305/30's look tiny - particularly compared to a 35 aspect on the 20" SVTPP wheel. Do you notice any impact by a smaller rear tire diameter than front?

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