New Ford Racing Intake Manifold and 65mm TB

[sgt1020]

I'm thinking about getting the new Ford racing intake manifold, (Promising another 40hp) and looking to get the Ford racing Cobra Jet 65mm throttle body. Although I'm not sure the 65mm throttle body will work with the 4.6 3v V8. They have a 63.5 mm throttle body as well. Just looking to see what some other people thought and some opinions. On top of those two things, I would get the Steeda high flow intake elbow, the one on there now wont fit the bigger throttle body and it also doesn't allow as much air through as the steed intake elbow does.

 

With the intake manifold, 65mm throttle body, steeda intake elbow and a dyno tune, how much power do you think I could pick up on top of the stock 325hp?

[68fastback]

An alternative is to use the 62mm L&M TB made for the 4.6 3V intake ...flows like crazy.

 

If you do change to an intake that accepts the larger TBs (like the CJ), the L&M66 is a better choice for sure.

 

Availabe from BVM Performance or directly from L&M Airflow Systems among others.

[TheKurgan]

40HP from the intake ? Not happening without cams and head work. In fact without the supporting mods you will probably lose some low end torque and only pick up a few ponies on the top end. I'd hold off unless you're one of those NA nuts and are planning on going au natural. Now, if you plan on going centri or nitrous in the future then they will help when that time comes. You'll feel a power gain, but remember the stock SGT is holding back and most people gain 20HP from just some more aggressive tuning. Just my .02.

[ilmor]

From what I've read, you might get 5 to 10 hp, on the top of the rpm range, and lose torque. It won't be worth the cost to do only what you are considering.

[Kvin C]

I'd hold off unless you're one of those NA nuts and are planning on going au natural.

 

I LIKE that!!!

 

Mr. Natural (and still truckin')

[TheKurgan]

I LIKE that!!!

 

Mr. Natural (and still truckin')

 

Nothing wrong with NA. I've run that way for 3 years on the track and passed GT500's, Vette's, and SN95 stangs. To be competitive on the strip/street though I admit that I've been using cheater gas.

[sgt1020]

So your saying its basically a waste without cams and other mods? Even with a bigger throttle body and dyno tune?

[Kvin C]

So your saying its basically a waste without cams and other mods? Even with a bigger throttle body and dyno tune?

 

 

Check this article out - not a bad place to start:

 

http://musclemustangfastfords.automotive.com/141696/mmfp-1009-ford-racing-three-valve-intake-manifold-testing/index.html

[cobrakalas427]

Check this article out - not a bad place to start:

 

http://musclemustangfastfords.automotive.com/141696/mmfp-1009-ford-racing-three-valve-intake-manifold-testing/index.html

 

 

I refer to the paper article in the magazine frequently and think the only way to go is intake, heads, cams and throttle body all for $3,800 through Ford Racing.

 

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/Ford_Racing_2005_2010_Mustang_GT_Top_End_Package_p/m-fr4-s197.htm

[ARMORINE]

I refer to the paper article in the magazine frequently and think the only way to go is intake, heads, cams and throttle body all for $3,800 through Ford Racing.

 

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/Ford_Racing_2005_2010_Mustang_GT_Top_End_Package_p/m-fr4-s197.htm

 

 

 

Livernois stage 3R head, stage 3 SPR cams from comp, ford racing intake manifold. can you say 500 BHP? *

 

 

.....little pricey for what you get though

 

 

* edited for clarity

[cobrakalas427]

Livernois stage 3R head, stage 3 SPR cams from comp, ford racing intake manifold. can you say 500 hp?

 

 

.....little pricey for what you get though

 

 

[07SGT]

[size="3"]How do they get 7,500 rpm out of stock springs, cast pistons, rods, and crank.?[/size]

[ARMORINE]

[size="3]How do they get 7,500 rpm out of stock springs, cast pistons, rods, and crank.?[/size]

 

 

 

 

via a pair that clanks..... our motors can do that...i just wouldn't suggest it. you'll break a rod eventually.

[sgt1020]

I refer to the paper article in the magazine frequently and think the only way to go is intake, heads, cams and throttle body all for $3,800 through Ford Racing.

 

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/Ford_Racing_2005_2010_Mustang_GT_Top_End_Package_p/m-fr4-s197.htm

 

 

 

How much hp and torque would I end up with if I were to do that package? (With some good dyno tuning as well)

[kahmann]

via a pair that clanks..... our motors can do that...i just wouldn't suggest it. you'll break a rod eventually.

 

Sooner than later

[sgt1020]

How much hp and torque would I end up with if I were to do that package? (With some good dyno tuning as well)

 

 

And I personally don't care for the sound of the cams. I like the sound the car has now. What could I do with that package without doing cams to get more gains?

[ARMORINE]

the stock cams hold the engine back...with a nice aggressive tune? 360-400 BHP would probably be in that area. if you dont like the romp you can get a set of high lift long duration cams without the overlap. will sound like normal but will offer horsepower and torque gains

 

EDIT: that's with just heads and the intake plus the normal assortment of mods. those heads are good heads but they cant even come close to a set of livernouis stage 3 or 3R heads with oversized valves. its not all about airflow numbers though.

[RACERX009]

40HP from the intake ? Not happening without cams and head work. In fact without the supporting mods you will probably lose some low end torque and only pick up a few ponies on the top end. I'd hold off unless you're one of those NA nuts and are planning on going au natural. Now, if you plan on going centri or nitrous in the future then they will help when that time comes. You'll feel a power gain, but remember the stock SGT is holding back and most people gain 20HP from just some more aggressive tuning. Just my .02.

 

 

Hey are you calling me a nut just because I like to go natural with my car and my ward robe ??? I guess it's time for me to make my N/A prove it can beat a super charger or turbo. All I need is a shot of the juice about a 500hp worth! !!! and I'll also have lippo suction done and skip 2 meals :jackinbox:

[blueone]

Sooner than later

 

 

Yeah, I would step back a little to avoid getting hot oil spayed in my face.

[sgt1020]

Livernois stage 3R head, stage 3 SPR cams from comp, ford racing intake manifold. can you say 500 BHP? *

 

 

.....little pricey for what you get though

 

 

* edited for clarity

 

 

 

Yes that is pricey, but with the stage 3 cams, you need 4.10+ gears? I'm not sure I would want the 4.10's. The Livernois stage 3R heads are nice though!!! Would I be able to do the Livernois Stage 3 heads, with high lift long duration cams (Not sure what brand to go with for those) and the intake manifold? It's not even the gears that are holding me back from doing the stage 3 comp cams, it just the sound at idle I dislike.

[ARMORINE]

yeah you dont have to have radical cams for the stage 3 heads. biggest gains ive heard with the heads alone was 40 hp. with heads cam and intake you could possible bang out 380 at the wheels. though thats alot of money for going that route.

 

my plan is to build a high compression 322 stroker to work with. hoping for 500 ponies on pump gas just gonna take time to build the motor. only reason i want to do it is im kinda a hard core natural aspiration guy

[sgt1020]

I would get it dyno tuned as well after the work is done. JDM Engineering is right down the highway from me. They know their stuff! I bet I could bang out 390 at the wheels with all that and a good tune. It is expensive though. What about larger fuel injectors? Any other power adder ideas other than heads, cams and the intake manifold?

[RACERX009]

I would get it dyno tuned as well after the work is done. JDM Engineering is right down the highway from me. They know their stuff! I bet I could bang out 390 at the wheels with all that and a good tune. It is expensive though. What about larger fuel injectors? Any other power adder ideas other than heads, cams and the intake manifold?

 

 

Speaking of them, I have to get there oneday to have them set-up my car and see what the dyno has to say with all the work thats been done. My buddy up swears by them he has a Saleen all the work done by JDM. It's insanely fast more towards rocket speed its juice and supercharged but he didn't tell me the rest.

 

Onething that has to be addressed is passing NY state inspection. I really don't like driving around without my tags up to date. One reason is God forbid, I'm involved in an accident that would be a great law suit to argue about. Plus why give a reason to get pulled over.

[sgt1020]

Ok here is my Parts list for my little project.

 

Livernois stage 3 heads

Ford Racing 3.73 gears

Ford Racing 65mm throttle body and throttle body spacer

Stage 3 comp cams

Ford Racing intake manifold

Parts come out to about $4,800.

 

That should all give me close to 450hp at the flywheel. A guy on youtube did just livernois stage 3 heads and stage 3 comp cams with his only other mod being a ram air shaker hood scoop and got away with 395rwp on the dyno.