jmn444 Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 OK.... Starting this thread because I seem to find conflicting info when searching here and other s197 sites and not sure what's right or if it really matters that much.... so here's my question: Which should I do? run lines to breather tank(s) from both valve covers OR run a JLT (or other) separator on the drivers side? Pro of the breather tank is that no oil goes in the intake at all... I like that in theory, but the engine bay is pretty tight and not sure where i'd like to put a tank. If you think this is the way to go, do I need special line or is just regular fuel line ok? Is the oil fill breather needed if this is the route to go? Pro of the JLT is almost factory looking install, but I have my doubts about how much oil vapor will still make it past to the intake, I saw the video he posted and it seems to catch a hell of a lot, but I guess you could just say i'm skeptical of if the internals would look any different over the life of the engine from a separator vs. the stock pcv system since by nature some of the oil must still be getting through... Any thoughts? Pics of your setups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slbgtsc Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I'm running breathers on both sides. My passenger side breather pukes oil onto the valve cover. In addition I tried venting the oil filler as I saw this suggested on another forum. It did not seem to help. I would like to put catch cans on both sides as I do not like venting the oil onto the valve covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Yeah, as much as i like the look of just breathers, I can't deal with the mess, my '68 gets oily a bit and it bugs the hell out of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurgan Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I've been running the UPR catch can for some time and it catches quite a bit. Now that I'm going SC I'm going with the Moroso catch can with the breather. I'm deleing the UPR can. I've been running aeroquip hoses with the UPR with AN fittings and they work great so going to stay with those hoses. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I've been running the UPR catch can for some time and it catches quite a bit. Now that I'm going SC I'm going with the Moroso catch can with the breather. I'm deleing the UPR can. I've been running aeroquip hoses with the UPR with AN fittings and they work great so going to stay with those hoses. HTH. good price, http://www.americanmuscle.com/moroso-breather-tank.html?utm_content=moroso-breather-tank&utm_campaign=FROOG&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Shopping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogie65 Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 You should have just bought my Moroso vented can Serious though. I am running cam cover vents, but after my recent updates with a smaller pulley (aka more boost), I am getting oil out of the passenger side vent. I just added the CFM vented oil fill cap, but if the leakage still ccurs on the pasenger side, I am going with a seperator on the drivers side and pulling all the vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slbgtsc Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 You should have just bought my Moroso vented can Serious though. I am running cam cover vents, but after my recent updates with a smaller pulley (aka more boost), I am getting oil out of the passenger side vent. I just added the CFM vented oil fill cap, but if the leakage still ccurs on the pasenger side, I am going with a seperator on the drivers side and pulling all the vents. Save your money on the vented oil cap. I went that route after upping the boost and it didn't work. Just my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I had the same issue with breathers - the passenger cover was getting drenched in oil. But I really like not having any mess going into my intake, so I plumbed a hose from the passenger cover to a vented catch can I picked up from ATP Turbo next to my water/meth tank (where the battery used to sit). Now all the oil just collects in that can, which I dump once a month or so. Problem solved. I've got another one of these cans, brand new, laying around if you want to give it a shot. It comes with the filter and mounting bracket. You can barely see it pictured in the upper left of this photo. The red hose on the left is what I used from the passenger cover to the bottom of the vented can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 can you give me the measurements on that can Ken? leaning towards a mini Jaz can mostly because it's already black... but it's also fairly small compared to the moroso cans and others i've looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 OK, got my lil' Jaz can... pretty sure this is where i'm putting it, but you guys chime in on what you think! The wire was just to hold it in place to see if it looked odd there... to me, it kinda blends in and doesn't draw much attention, but i dunno... I will drill a hole thru the airbox and the can has threaded inserts to bolt in from behind, so it should be a fairly clean install.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Oh yeah, I may paint the chrome top black too, to help with the anti bling theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springer Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Here is a thread I posted on my catch can. http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?/topic/61734-oil-separator-catch-can-an-update/page__p__1050330__fromsearch__1#entry1050330 The first post I made in this thread has a link to an informative thread on catch cans. This has worked very well for me as evidenced by the oil collected in the catch can jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 That's a lot of oil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springer Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 LOL. That's my catch can, not a mason jar! It's less than two ounces of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Yeah, but for just 600 miles it seems like a lot... wouldn't that work out to be 1/2 a qt roughly between oil changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springer Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Yeah, but for just 600 miles it seems like a lot... wouldn't that work out to be 1/2 a qt roughly between oil changes? Might be. might be. The mileage was estimated, maybe 600 maybe 900. I didn't write it down. I think there is closer to an ounce maybe an ounce and half in the jar. So calculate that for me, oz. lost per oil change! And, after you figure it out, let me know how to stop it! I know guys with 2003-04 Terminators running the catch cans adapted from the plastic moisture traps used on compressors who fill them with less than a thousand miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottydr Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I will chime in, Does it have to cost a lot of money to catch oil? This one does not look too out of place and only cost 8.75 on ebay. It comes with clamps, brackets and hoses, I bought two of them, I will get the JLT ones later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vapor08GT500 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I will chime in, Does it have to cost a lot of money to catch oil? This one does not look too out of place and only cost 8.75 on ebay. It comes with clamps, brackets and hoses, I bought two of them, I will get the JLT ones later That engine box looks familiar!!! Looking great Rick!! Just got back from SEMA. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Might be. might be. The mileage was estimated, maybe 600 maybe 900. I didn't write it down. I think there is closer to an ounce maybe an ounce and half in the jar. So calculate that for me, oz. lost per oil change! And, after you figure it out, let me know how to stop it! I know guys with 2003-04 Terminators running the catch cans adapted from the plastic moisture traps used on compressors who fill them with less than a thousand miles. There is no stopping it, just ship your car to me and that way you won't have to worry about it... Seriously, it probably doesn't even matter for all I know, I just didn't expect to see that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0201212 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 There is no stopping it, just ship your car to me and that way you won't have to worry about it... Seriously, it probably doesn't even matter for all I know, I just didn't expect to see that much... The bad thing is the more boost you add the more you may get. It does not seem like it is the same on every car. When I had my Harley truck there were guys getting enough oil they had to empty there seperators every 1000 miles or so and some with the same mods and boost levels that would have to empty them every 3000 miles, it will also depend on how hard you drive the car and how often/long you are in Boost.... Great mod either way so that your octane level does not go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0201212 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 OK, got my lil' Jaz can... pretty sure this is where i'm putting it, but you guys chime in on what you think! The wire was just to hold it in place to see if it looked odd there... to me, it kinda blends in and doesn't draw much attention, but i dunno... I will drill a hole thru the airbox and the can has threaded inserts to bolt in from behind, so it should be a fairly clean install.... Looks right at home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 By the way, I saw the JLT separator in person at Brenspeed, very nice looking peice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Looks great to me. Nice install. As for eBay catch cans, they're junk and could possibly do more harm than good. Read springer's post on catch cans thoroughly before investing in a cheap can with nothing more than a ball of steel wool shoved inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I had the same issue with breathers - the passenger cover was getting drenched in oil. But I really like not having any mess going into my intake, so I plumbed a hose from the passenger cover to a vented catch can I picked up from ATP Turbo next to my water/meth tank (where the battery used to sit). Now all the oil just collects in that can, which I dump once a month or so. Problem solved. I've got another one of these cans, brand new, laying around if you want to give it a shot. It comes with the filter and mounting bracket. You can barely see it pictured in the upper left of this photo. The red hose on the left is what I used from the passenger cover to the bottom of the vented can. Hey Ken, is this the one you installed? : http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-ACS-018&Category_Code=BCS How did you run your plumbing lines, from where to where? Since I've supercharged, I'm getting concerned about this subject! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 ^Yeah Sam that's the one. I just ran a hose from the passenger cam cover PCV elbow to a fitting in the driver's side of the can. The passenger side hole in the can was just plugged. Then I stuck a K&N breather directly to the driver's side cam cover vent. That's it. The PCV system is open to the atmosphere, but without the oily gunk spewing all over your passenger cam cover and front plugs. Once a month or so, pull the can out and dump the oil it's collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007_Shelby_GT Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 ^Yeah Sam that's the one. I just ran a hose from the passenger cam cover PCV elbow to a fitting in the driver's side of the can. The passenger side hole in the can was just plugged. Then I stuck a K&N breather directly to the driver's side cam cover vent. That's it. The PCV system is open to the atmosphere, but without the oily gunk spewing all over your passenger cam cover and front plugs. Once a month or so, pull the can out and dump the oil it's collected. Thanks Ken, I was trying to figure out the air flow direction/pattern and that clears it up! Looks like I have a new mod! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 OK, the Jaz breather can is installed, all seems to be working fine, put 30 miles on it, no oil, but quite a bit of water in the can... not sure what that's about, but I'm guessing normal since I've seen the milky oil/water mess that comes out of most of these set ups... Painted the "cap" of the breather black to match, and I think it all looks like it belongs now! An interesting side note, this is just SOME of what drained out of the stock intake after 20k miles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriMac Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 OK, the Jaz breather can is installed, all seems to be working fine, put 30 miles on it, no oil, but quite a bit of water in the can... not sure what that's about, but I'm guessing normal since I've seen the milky oil/water mess that comes out of most of these set ups... Painted the "cap" of the breather black to match, and I think it all looks like it belongs now! jmn444 Perhaps a stupid question, but hard to see in photos, the intake is in the way....I assume driver's side is plumbed into the other side of the can and you just plugged the port after the throttle body where it ran into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn444 Posted April 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yes, both sides go to the can and the ports on the intake tube and on the throttle body are both plugged off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriMac Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yes, both sides go to the can and the ports on the intake tube and on the throttle body are both plugged off. Thank you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.