Pre titled Shelby

[jgib627]

Hi guys,

 

Sorry - Perhaps a dumb question, but what does it mean when members refer to 'pre titled Shelby's? I hear the KR is a pre titled Shelby - so what does this mean and what other Shelby's, if any are there? Thanks,

 

Jonathan

[shelbymotorsports]

Hi guys,

 

Sorry - Perhaps a dumb question, but what does it mean when members refer to 'pre titled Shelby's? I hear the KR is a pre titled Shelby - so what does this mean and what other Shelby's, if any are there? Thanks,

 

Jonathan

 

 

A pre-titled Shelby, like the Shelby GT500KR and Shelby GT's, mean that they went thru the Shelby conversion before being sold as a new car at the dealership.

 

Post title Shelby's, like the Super Snakes and Terlingua's, go thru the Shelby conversion as technically used cars since they been purchased/titled under the buyers name before becoming a Super Snake or Terlingua model.

 

Mod shop cars like the Super Snakes, Terlingua's and even the new GT350 can only be done as post title cars. Since Shelby American is an auto manufacturer there are certain changes we can make easier post title since technically the car is used. There's actually a lot more to this, i'm just trying to keep the explanation simple.

 

Steve

[JeffJ]

Yikes, not this again.!! However since we are in the GT-H section, I have seen people swear the GT-H being pre-titled and others post title. We might as well put this to bed here. Last I heard, the Black Mustang GT's delivered to Vegas were checked in and taken ownership of by Hertz before the Shelby conversion, which would make them a post titled Shelby. Even the paperwork shows where Hertz paid Shelby for the upgrades. But then I've seen folks from Shelby say that the GT-H is a pre-title Shelby.

 

Did I really just type this question......?????

 

[CASEY HILL 14998]

wow Jeff, where do you keep all those cars?

 

The GT-H is going to always remain a debate. On the one hand Hertz ordered them and had them sent to directly to Shelby. On the other hand, they were directly modified by Shelby right away. No middle man. I tend to fall on the pre-title side since the GT-H was sent directly to Shelby before ever going to Hertz. Wonder how they did it in the 60's? No one disputes the Shelby Hertz from that time - or maybe no one really cared. A Shelby is a Shelby. Casey

[Larry T]

wow Jeff, where do you keep all those cars?

 

The GT-H is going to always remain a debate. On the one hand Hertz ordered them and had them sent to directly to Shelby. On the other hand, they were directly modified by Shelby right away. No middle man. I tend to fall on the pre-title side since the GT-H was sent directly to Shelby before ever going to Hertz. Wonder how they did it in the 60's? No one disputes the Shelby Hertz from that time - or maybe no one really cared. A Shelby is a Shelby. Casey

 

 

 

 

 

+10000

[07-2937]

had to be post title they owned them and then they were upfitted...

[jgib627]

Got it! Cool. Thanks guys..

[JeffJ]

Shelby has answered this in the past. The GT-H's are actually kind of in an area of there own. A bit of a gray area in the entire title thing. Of course we are all very attached to these cars and it really doesn't matter. While Hertz bought the cars from Ford and also paid Shelby for the conversions, they were not titled until after completion. All really cool stuff that we'll learn fairly soon. There is lots of info being worked on by the registrars. It's just all really awsome stuff.

[ilmor]

Pre-title simply means that the vehicle will not be sold by the dealer until all the manufacturing and modifications have been completed. (i.e., Shelby GT, Shelby GT500, Shelby GT500KR)

 

Post-title means that the end-user purchases the vehicle from the dealer, and then sends it to another place to be modified. (i.e., Shelby CS6, Terlingua, Shelby GT350)

[gth0007]

Yikes, not this again.!! However since we are in the GT-H section, I have seen people swear the GT-H being pre-titled and others post title. We might as well put this to bed here. Last I heard, the Black Mustang GT's delivered to Vegas were checked in and taken ownership of by Hertz before the Shelby conversion, which would make them a post titled Shelby. Even the paperwork shows where Hertz paid Shelby for the upgrades. But then I've seen folks from Shelby say that the GT-H is a pre-title Shelby.

 

Did I really just type this question......?????

 

 

 

All of the Hertz cars were ordered directly from Ford by Hertz, invoiced to Hertz, then payment made to Ford by Hertz based on contractual arrangements. All GT-Hs, including the Executive cars, Licensee cars etc, were ordered and invoiced in this manner. Any Ford dealer name you may see on the Ford window sticker is just an arrangement between Ford, Ford Dealer network, and Hertz to comply with yet additional contracts between Ford and it's dealers. In all cases Hertz is the first owner, who then had Ford drop ship the cars directly to SAI in Las Vegas for conversion, and thus the cars would be considered "post title". No retail sale occurred until after Hertz submitted ownership paperwork to the various States' DMV. If you do a Car Fax type search you should always see Hertz as the first owner, (possibly a Hertz Licensee) usually mentioned as "rental car use" even though many of the GT-Hs went to individual executives without ever seeing rental service. So, in summary the cars were owned by Hertz from the very beginning (while still just Mustang GTs), then converted by SAI. I have a complete Hertz/ Ford invoice list of all the GT-Hs for both 2006 and 2007 by Vehicle I.D. date invoiced, and initial Hertz assignment location number. As an aside, if there is any GT-H owner whose car does NOT show Hertz (rental car etc) as the first owner when doing a Car Fax type report please advise. Hope this information is helpful, regards, Larry Miller, Registrar, Hertz GT-H

[MustangTom]

initial Hertz assignment location number.

Any chance of getting that info for our cars, and what physical location the number corresponds to?

[CASEY HILL 14998]

In all cases Hertz is the first owner, who then had Ford drop ship the cars directly to SAI in Las Vegas for conversion, and thus the cars would be considered "post title". No retail sale occurred until after Hertz submitted ownership paperwork to the various States' DMV. So, in summary the cars were owned by Hertz from the very beginning (while still just Mustang GTs), then converted by SAI. Larry Miller, Registrar, Hertz GT-H

 

 

I agree Mustang GTs were sold to Hertz - I have the paperwork. But the deal to make them Shelby GT-H was cut before the the invoicing and purchase. This can be read in the emails between Amy and Steve in the GTH book. Hertz did not take pocession until the Shelby GTH was added. I wonder how the '66 Hertz GT was done. Everyone knows they are in a class of their own - but no one really cares whether they were pre or post title - As long as they are the real deal. It's a gray area for a special car that I dont think matters as much as other pre or post title debates for other Shelby cars. Casey

[gene64cobra]

[JeffJ]

I agree Mustang GTs were sold to Hertz - I have the paperwork. But the deal to make them Shelby GT-H was cut before the the invoicing and purchase. This can be read in the emails between Amy and Steve in the GTH book. Hertz did not take pocession until the Shelby GTH was added. I wonder how the '66 Hertz GT was done. Everyone knows they are in a class of their own - but no one really cares whether they were pre or post title - As long as they are the real deal. It's a gray area for a special car that I dont think matters as much as other pre or post title debates for other Shelby cars. Casey

 

 

Actually, Hertz did check them in and take posession of them in Vegas before the Shelby conversion. There is paperwork signed by Hertz on Hertz forms of the check in process before the conversion to GT-H. This is all part of that specialty gray, grey, black, not white, area type of situation. Hertz definitely owned them an took posession before the Shelby conversion, even though they were not actually "Titled", until they were titled in the state which they began their rental service after conversion. Isn't that clear???? So they are "Post-title" in that Hertz owned them before conversion, but they are "Pre-title" in that they were not actually titled until after conversion. So that makes them "Post-owned".

So absolutely Casey, it just doesn't matter like it does with the other Shelby debates that go on. The GT-H's are completely a deal on their own, that doesn't really belong in the Pre vs. Post title debate. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it! All in good fun you know?

[CASEY HILL 14998]

I totally agree. Now I am going to go out and have some fun in my pre or post titled Shelby GTH! :o Casey