2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Some of you have been waiting to see what FRPP has in store for the 2011 GT500's. I just saw this: http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=12459 It is the FR3 Handling Package specific to the 2011 SVT Mustang. Oddly enough, it says it will NOT fit the 2010 SVT but all of the individual parts description says they WILL fit. And I don't see a Strut Tower Brace included with it (which may be why it's not for the 2010). And it's more expensive than the 2010 FR3 package too. That's odd.... HTH, Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 From what I can tell it has some extra parts. The strut mounts and jounce stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 From what I can tell it has some extra parts. The strut mounts and jounce stops. My understanding is the 2010 already has *those* strut mounts and I bought the jounce stops to add to my 2010 FR3 kit (for about 20 bucks from Tousley Ford). I was going to buy the FR500...or was it the Cobra Jet FRPP adjustable strut mounts but the guys at Tousley said they weren't sure they'd work on the SVT's. So I was going to buy them from Shelby Perf. Parts during the sale and my last big purchase but they were out of stock...until a day after the sale! I'll wait for the next sale, IF I decide I need them. But anyway, I was led to believe that the 2010 SVT GT500 already had the firmer strut mounts. AND, they're only about 100 bucks more. So they give you 100 bucks worth of strut mounts but take about 300 dollars worth of STB away from the 2011 FR3 handling pack...and charge you more money for it? <???SHRUG???> Man, I'm having one hell of a time getting my 2010 FRPP FR3 handling pack from Tousley. I just got ANOTHER shipping date of Oct. 13th. That's the 4th time they've changed it on me. Tousley thinks there may be a supply problem with one or more of the parts (I think maybe the STB). Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 To bad the individual parts links are screwed up...keeps coming up to a cai vice the actual part. The jounce stops are already on the 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 To bad the individual parts links are screwed up...keeps coming up to a cai vice the actual part. The jounce stops are already on the 11. The only one I get bad is for the sway bars, which brings me to the CAI you write of. And it's the same for the 2010 FR3 package (swaybar link takes you to a CAI package). But you say "the jounce stops are already on the 11"....I have OEM jounce stops on my '10 too and they look almost identical to the FRPP jounce stops until you put them side by side. There is only a slight difference, at least on the rears. I suspect it's the same as on the '11 (they're there, but not identical). The primary difference I can see visually is a black metal ring around the base of the bumper. I'm assuming they are softer material but they sure do LOOK like the same material (color wise, at least). But if they're already there on the '11, why would Ford Racing include them in their 2011 FR3 handling/lowering package? They are not (or weren't when I bought mine) included in the 2010 FR3 handling pack. I haven't got to the front struts yet (and won't until I have the FR3 pack in hand) so I can't comment on whether they are there, or look very similar, or not. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMG Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Springs, shocks, and sway bars all show to be same as 07-09??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 The only one I get bad is for the sway bars, which brings me to the CAI you write of. And it's the same for the 2010 FR3 package (swaybar link takes you to a CAI package). But you say "the jounce stops are already on the 11"....I have OEM jounce stops on my '10 too and they look almost identical to the FRPP jounce stops until you put them side by side. There is only a slight difference, at least on the rears. I suspect it's the same as on the '11 (they're there, but not identical). The primary difference I can see visually is a black metal ring around the base of the bumper. I'm assuming they are softer material but they sure do LOOK like the same material (color wise, at least). But if they're already there on the '11, why would Ford Racing include them in their 2011 FR3 handling/lowering package? They are not (or weren't when I bought mine) included in the 2010 FR3 handling pack. I haven't got to the front struts yet (and won't until I have the FR3 pack in hand) so I can't comment on whether they are there, or look very similar, or not. Phill Good point Phill....on the jounce's. They doo look the same. Will recheck mine for the metal ring. I'm also inclined to wonder how much better the FR3 system is to the SVT package? Besides the lowering affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I received a set of the Ford Racing M-5570-A Jounce Bumpers. I have not installed them yet, but here's what they look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I received a set of the Ford Racing M-5570-A Jounce Bumpers. I have not installed them yet, but here's what they look like. Yep, now see the raised black area at the bottom of the rear bumpers? That's the only difference I can visually see between the FRPP's and the OEM jounce bumpers. Feel the same when pressing down with my hand, look the same other than that black raised area around the bottom, same color as OE, etc. I have not compared the front bumpers though so they may be the significant difference....or not. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yep, now see the raised black area at the bottom of the rear bumpers? That's the only difference I can visually see between the FRPP's and the OEM jounce bumpers. Feel the same when pressing down with my hand, look the same other than that black raised area around the bottom, same color as OE, etc. I have not compared the front bumpers though so they may be the significant difference....or not. Phill those are what my 11 has, except orange in color....i'll have to get the p/n tomorrow and compare with 6-speed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Reed Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 What advantage of this package over the "stock" SVT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I received a set of the Ford Racing M-5570-A Jounce Bumpers. I have not installed them yet, but here's what they look like. The part number on the rear bump stops is BR3V-5K570-B and mine are light/dull orange as the picture shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhlgt500 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 What advantage of this package over the "stock" SVT? I've got the same question. But since saying something stupid and/or obvious generally gets a more immediate, impassioned response than a polite question, I'll take a stab at the answer. The FRPP handling package does lower the car more than SVTPP does by a bit more than 1" according to Fords specs. It also includes adjustable shocks. All else being equal, lower is generally better for handling. Though being lower is not necessarily helpful and perhaps even worse for traction under staight line acceleration. (Though I'm not going to pretend to understand the physics that involves instant centers and how to correct things after lowering by relocating the control arm mounting points.) Adjustable shocks are also potentially a double edge sword. If you know what you are doing and take the time to tune them, you can get better handling for your particular track, type of road you drive, set up of your car after mods, etc. However, most of us without access to track or patience are likely to tune once for comfort or feel and not measured performance. So I'm ambivalent on the FRPP handling kit, I like the lowered look on Mustangs, but I really like how my curent SVTPP package rides and handles. Not sure I'm ready to compromise that ride and handling balance to lower the car. I'm thinking that if I don't do something more exotic, I'll try just the springs from the kit first and maybe an adjustable panhard rod rather than getting the entire kit. It is looking like the bump stops and the strut mounts may already be included in the SVTPP package anyway. Then I'll drive it a while, see how things are working and decide what to do next. Edit - changed roll center to instant center, though I barely understand the difference, I believe instant center is what matters for straight line acceleration while roll center is related to corner handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMG Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Im getting ready to add just the frpp srings to mine and as you said.....go from there. I notice alot of people do just the springs. I ve also wondered why the frpp non adjustable(shelby gt) shocks wouldnt be an option. They list the adjustable to fit both so why wouldnt the non adjustable?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Edit - changed roll center to instant center, though I barely understand the difference, I believe instant center is what matters for straight line acceleration while roll center is related to corner handling. You are correct. You change your roll center by raising or lowering the panhard bar on the body mount. Raising the panhard bar puts less heat in the RR tire, lowering it puts more heat in the RR. You change your instant center by raising or lowering your control arms on the body mount. Raising the lower arms moves your IC back, lowering the arm mount moves it forward. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madlock Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I wonder if any of the differences that make this pack specific to the 2011 SVT vehicles has to do with the special wheel and tire setup that the entire suspension (and the SVTPP itself) is built upon? I suppose the bottom-line question with respect to installing this handling pack on a 2011 GT500 with SVTPP is, in what ways does it affect performance and/or handling characteristics - and to what extent, if any, does it impose any compromises? Having outlaid $3,500 specifically for the purpose of improved handling, I'd hate to think the SVTPP is fundamentally a wheel and tire package that includes just enough suspension improvements to accommodate them - rather than the entire suite at its state of the art. If that were the case, I'd have no qualms if the FR3 handling pack were an "at all costs" approach to improving lateral grip or in pursuit of some other quantifiable objective. I look forward to reports from the first person daring enough to give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 The part number on the rear bump stops is BR3V-5K57570-B and mine are light/dull orange as the picture shows. my stockers are BR3V-5K570-B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-Speed Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 my stockers are BR3V-5K570-B Oops! I had too may 57s when I typed in the number. The Ford Racing parts have the same PN as yours: BR3V-5K570-B. I revised my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8snkbite Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Oops! I had too may 57s when I typed in the number. The Ford Racing parts have the same PN as yours: BR3V-5K570-B. I revised my post above. no worries. thought that might be the case. So it seems these are redundant in the kit for the 11's since its already on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrycp Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Springs, shocks, and sway bars all show to be same as 07-09??? Exactly. I have the 07-09 installed on my 2011. No issues with the install and the stance and ride is awesome. The strut brace will not fit however, even with the JLT spacers...bummin' about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Exactly. I have the 07-09 installed on my 2011. No issues with the install and the stance and ride is awesome. The strut brace will not fit however, even with the JLT spacers...bummin' about that. Do you have the 2010 style strut brace or the earlier design? I noticed that the FR3 package does NOT include a strut brace now. But the 2010 does, and it's MUCH different than the '07-'09 version. Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrycp Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Do you have the 2010 style strut brace or the earlier design? I noticed that the FR3 package does NOT include a strut brace now. But the 2010 does, and it's MUCH different than the '07-'09 version. Phill I have the earlier design. Not very fond of the 2010 strut brace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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