bpmurr Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 As many of you know I was about to swear off Ford after their response to my clutch issue. I'm still having problems with the car. I have another OEM unit on order. The second McLeod RST unit is acting like the first one that had a bent disc. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Having issues with three clutches tends to make me think something else is at fault here. Just so you all know the second McLeod was making noise during the test drive with the tech right after the install. It wasn't like my driving did it in. The second McLeod unit is also starting to be hard to get into gear at a stop like the first Anyone have some thoughts as to what the heck might be going on? I'd really like to enjoy the car again instead of feeling like I should dump it ASAP. I get this feeling that even the new OEM unit will end up being like the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 As many of you know I was about to swear off Ford after their response to my clutch issue. I'm still having problems with the car. I have another OEM unit on order. The second McLeod RST unit is acting like the first one that had a bent disc. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Having issues with three clutches tends to make me think something else is at fault here. Just so you all know the second McLeod was making noise during the test drive with the tech right after the install. It wasn't like my driving did it in. The second McLeod unit is also starting to be hard to get into gear at a stop like the first Anyone have some thoughts as to what the heck might be going on? I'd really like to enjoy the car again instead of feeling like I should dump it ASAP. I get this feeling that even the new OEM unit will end up being like the first. bpmurr, As I've indicated before... have your new OEM clutch installed by your dealer. When it fails (and I'm sure it will because with this many clutch failures, you have some other type of driveline fault causing the problem), file a "lemon law" claim and bring the power of your state's Consumer Protection agency to bear on Ford for a replacement Shelby or refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTVENOMGT500 Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I was thinking possible lemon law also, perhaps there is information on-line on how the process would work in MD. I recall a conversation with a friend, he mentioned it differed from state to state. Edit ~ From BBB.org http://www.bbb.org/us/maryland-lemon-law/?gclid=COCd2ZS66qMCFV195QodTCgn2A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 bpmurr, As I've indicated before... have your new OEM clutch installed by your dealer. When it fails (and I'm sure it will because with this many clutch failures, you have some other type of driveline fault causing the problem), file a "lemon law" claim and bring the power of your state's Consumer Protection agency to bear on Ford for a replacement Shelby or refund. The new OEM unit will be installed by the dealer. However, I have a feeling they'll point to the mods even though they said on the phone to me the OEM unit can handle my power level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I was thinking possible lemon law also, perhaps there is information on-line on how the process would work in MD. I recall a conversation with a friend, he mentioned it differed from state to state. Edit ~ From BBB.org http://www.bbb.org/us/maryland-lemon-law/?gclid=COCd2ZS66qMCFV195QodTCgn2A I did start a BBB claim however I didn't follow through with it because I want to see how another OEM unit works out. I did buy a FRPP stainless steal clutch fluid line. Should I even bother having the dealer install it? Part of me says I should but the other part of me says what if it's the crap line that they use stock. When I was going uphill at a show last week and having to stop and go all I could smell was clutch. I'm wondering if the line was overheating and not allowing the clutch to release properly. I've never had a problem like this in any other manual car I've owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Restore your Shelby to complete stock. Have the dealer install the OEM unit. Let it fail. File a lemon claim. Case closed! Get yourself and your emotions out of it. It's business that Ford understands. Let them deal with the Consumer Protection agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Restore your Shelby to complete stock. Have the dealer install the OEM unit. Let it fail. File a lemon claim. Case closed! Get yourself and your emotions out of it. It's business that Ford understands. Let them deal with the Consumer Protection agency. Fair enough, I'll cancel my order for the stainless steel line. However, I can see them saying that the damage was done during the period while it was modified hence damaging anything moving forward. I'm pretty savvy at business myself so I know they are going to try to spin it every way they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Fair enough, I'll cancel my order for the stainless steel line. However, I can see them saying that the damage was done during the period while it was modified hence damaging anything moving forward. I'm pretty savvy at business myself so I know they are going to try to spin it every way they can. Ford will have a hard time spinning multiple new clutch failures that were installed by qualified mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegt500 Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Sell the car. Get a 2011 or 2012 GT 5.0....have the warrantied 525 hp supercharger FRPP kit installed pre-title by the dealer so as to retain normal 36 month warranty. If the 6 speed auto is available with the FRPP blower kit installation get that. No more clutch issues. Or maybe the auto will be available with the 5.4? The GT has a whole bunch of available options that aren't available with the GT500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Sell the car. Get a 2011 or 2012 GT 5.0....have the warrantied 525 hp supercharger FRPP kit installed pre-title by the dealer so as to retain normal 36 month warranty. If the 6 speed auto is available with the FRPP blower kit installation get that. No more clutch issues. Or maybe the auto will be available with the 5.4? The GT has a whole bunch of available options that aren't available with the GT500. The only auto I'd ever drive is one of those dual clutch setups. The current auto setups are just too boring. I love to row my own gears. It just seems doing so in my specific car is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpevin Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 You will never be able to lemon law the car for drivetrain problems if the mods have been documented. There is only two things you can do, put a stock clutch in it, put the car back to stock and sell it off. Or you can stop fooling with the dealer and take the car to a performance shop that specializes in these and pay to fix to your satisfaction, then enjoy the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whammer Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 While it will cost you some money there must be an aftermarket clutch that won't have these problems. I hate reading these horror stories. I've owned 3 05-09 model mustangs and I haven't had any problems with my cars. I feel bad for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDan Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 You will never be able to lemon law the car for drivetrain problems if the mods have been documented. There is only two things you can do, put a stock clutch in it, put the car back to stock and sell it off. Or you can stop fooling with the dealer and take the car to a performance shop that specializes in these and pay to fix to your satisfaction, then enjoy the car. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsvtcobra Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Could you get them to replace the next higher assembly? It could be that your trans is the problem (the reason you are going through clutches) and that is still under warranty. I have seen Ford multiple times replace a tranny under warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 While it will cost you some money there must be an aftermarket clutch that won't have these problems. I hate reading these horror stories. I've owned 3 05-09 model mustangs and I haven't had any problems with my cars. I feel bad for you guys. Thanks! My 2005 GT is a great car and drives like it did the first day I bought it. Sometimes you get a bad one, it happens. Could you get them to replace the next higher assembly? It could be that your trans is the problem (the reason you are going through clutches) and that is still under warranty. I have seen Ford multiple times replace a tranny under warranty. If this second OEM unit takes a dump then that will be four units. I think something will need to be done at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Sounds like no matter what happens you will not be satisfied with this paticular car??????? Even if it is repaired to better than new condition you will be thinking about another failure??????? Get it fixed, dump it, and move on??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdaallen Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Your mods will probably disqualify you for lemon law as they did your warranty. All state lemon laws are different. In Colorado, the "Lemon Law" just defines a "Lemon" but address or mandates no recourse. So you can say officially you have a lemon but so what??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWG223 Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 After your mods and bad luck to have posted about them on a forum that Ford frequents looking to void warranties, just get rid of it and buy a used Z06 unless you NEED 2 extra seats. That will get you an instant performance increase, and slap Ford in the face by going with their competator. The only thing to be done after your 4th unit fails is to buy a 5th unit. Ford already flagged you, and your powertrain is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY at this point. When I got tired of my mustang, I went with an F-body, and got tired of that, and went with an Infiniti. If something doesn't work, stop pounding a square peg into a round hole. It seems to me like you just don't like this car but don't want to go to the trouble to get rid of and replace it. I say just do it. It will only piss you off more the longer you wait. I have been where you are and was so happy to trade when I finally did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Don't get me wrong, I really like the GT500 as a car. When things were working right it's a blast to drive. However, since June it's just been a mess. I'm probably going to fix the car and sell it. Then move onto another one down the road. Just chalking this up to being a problem car. If for some reason a second OEM unit works out then I might keep it. However, I'm worried I won't get any warranty support at this point regardless of if a mod caused it or not. What I've done with the car is pretty common. It's not like I've got some kind of one off monster car, but sometimes you'd think so with the way things have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstang Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Well you still have a few more clutches until you catch up to me (5) LIke I said before, completely have your clutch/brake fluid bled and refilled with new fluid! Also add the stainless steel clutch fluid line for extra safety. It is made by ford racing Google it and read the incredible results. I am not the only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsarkis Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 If you return it to stock (pulley, idler/tensioner and plugs = approx. $200.00 labor) you will get a warranty with the new OEM clutch if the dealer installs it. Then keep it stock so you can sell it or drive it as is, since you don't drive it hard anyhow... no need for performance mods. Either way chalk this up as a learning experience. I personally would either do the OEM clutch w/ warranty to sell or I would have a good mod shop put in a aftermarket clutch so you can enjoy your car again. Most mod shops carry warrantys for their installations. Just make sure their reputable and work on GT500s regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Well you still have a few more clutches until you catch up to me (5) LIke I said before, completely have your clutch/brake fluid bled and refilled with new fluid! Also add the stainless steel clutch fluid line for extra safety. It is made by ford racing Google it and read the incredible results. I am not the only one Chuck, do you have to remove the transmission to install the stainless steel clutch fluid line? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstang Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Chuck, do you have to remove the transmission to install the stainless steel clutch fluid line? Thx negative. Also, pop your hood and take a look at the stock line, it is practically rubbing the back of the motor, thats how close they get which has to be bad with the heat. One thing I noticed is that the clutch engages at the top of the clutch travel, the very top now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Well you still have a few more clutches until you catch up to me (5) LIke I said before, completely have your clutch/brake fluid bled and refilled with new fluid! Also add the stainless steel clutch fluid line for extra safety. It is made by ford racing Google it and read the incredible results. I am not the only one I did buy the line and will probably install it. Pretty damn expensive for a stainless steel line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 The OEM clutch back order has now moved from 9/15 to 9/30. This is getting crazy. I've tried three times this year to get the part and haven't been able to. What the heck Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezareth Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 The OEM clutch back order has now moved from 9/15 to 9/30. This is getting crazy. I've tried three times this year to get the part and haven't been able to. What the heck Ford? I got my 20 page "survey" and filled it out last night and scored the transmission, shifting ease, and warranty satisfaction all pretty poorly thinking about all the issues people have been having with these, plus the few issues I've had with my own. Hopefully Ford notices and corrects the problems (although probably it likely won't help with yours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I got my 20 page "survey" and filled it out last night and scored the transmission, shifting ease, and warranty satisfaction all pretty poorly thinking about all the issues people have been having with these, plus the few issues I've had with my own. Hopefully Ford notices and corrects the problems (although probably it likely won't help with yours). I wish I held onto that survey a little longer myself. They hand those things out way to fast. I got the one for my Fiesta a week after I bought it. Needless to say I haven't filled that out yet. I've already got a couple problems with the car. The five speed manual on that grinds going into reverse. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezareth Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I wish I held onto that survey a little longer myself. They hand those things out way to fast. I got the one for my Fiesta a week after I bought it. Needless to say I haven't filled that out yet. I've already got a couple problems with the car. The five speed manual on that grinds going into reverse. lol That happens on my Focus occasionally, typically when parked on a decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 That happens on my Focus occasionally, typically when parked on a decline. It doesn't seem to matter how mine is parked. I have a felling they are going to say that it's normal and I'm going to tell them to shove it. No way should my car sound like it's passing gas when I put it into reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezareth Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 It doesn't seem to matter how mine is parked. I have a felling they are going to say that it's normal and I'm going to tell them to shove it. No way should my car sound like it's passing gas when I put it into reverse. Is it only after it has been parked or always? My 99 Saleen did the same thing. I had always thought it wasn't bad for it, or a real problem, just poor design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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