How will SVT answer in 2012 (Roush annouces 5.0 supercharger)

[rhlgt500]

Going to be real interesting to see what Shelby GT500 changes SVT has planned for 2012. The Boss and relatively cheap supercharged 5.0's are going to make things interesting, even ignoring Chevy and a new Z28.

RoushSC

 

Or does history repeat itself with Ford using the new Boss to push Shelby out the corporate door?

[bpmurr]

It will be interesting as the 2010 Stage 3 Roush can whip a 2010 or 2011 GT500 without the PP in stock trim.

[John Canfield]

I heard something about an Eco-Boost 5.0...could be something of interest...

(Source:Ford product guy at our last local show)

[bamaster]

Why does Roush say, "Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley"

 

But Ford Racing is offering a twin screw kit 624 without an upgraded bottom end.

 

Roush needs it but Ford Racing doesn't? What gives?

[jsvtcobra]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

[SuperFly03]

It will be interesting as the 2010 Stage 3 Roush can whip a 2010 or 2011 GT500 without the PP in stock trim.

 

"With a starting price tag of almost $60,000, the Stage 3 is priced higher than a Shelby GT500, but with a full 36-month, 36,000-mile warranty and mid-11-second performance, it's a great choice for a buyer who wants to have all the styling of a Roush Mustang and power to run with the best cars on the road today." <--- For 2010

 

Considering '11 GT500's start at $48 and even w/ Nav and SVT PP are $55k I would say if the same amount of money were put into them the tables would be leveled or maybe tip in the GT500's favor. I actually almost bought a '11 GT500 w/ SVTPP and Nav for $52.5k. On top of that the GT500 is covered by a FULL Ford factory warranty. I believe the Roush is only a power train warranty.

 

I could be wrong on the warranty though.

[SteelTownStang]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

 

While I appreciate your passion for the GT500, I would not say that comparing the three is a joke. It was just a matter of time before someone came out with a SC, or TT, 5.0. What better icon to pioneer this feat than Jack Roush? Steve Saleen will be right behind... Competition is what makes the world go around, which I welcome... SVT, getti-up.

[JWG223]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

 

Every mustang out there is a dressed up 6 cylinder when you come right down to it. If the Roush out-performs the GT500 and has a nicer interior, or even an equal interior, why buy the GT500? They depreciate like any other car.

[jsvtcobra]

Every mustang out there is a dressed up 6 cylinder when you come right down to it. If the Roush out-performs the GT500 and has a nicer interior, or even an equal interior, why buy the GT500? They depreciate like any other car.

 

 

 

In summary of my earlier post, you just get a lot more for the money. More displacement, more potential and better quality. Don't get me wrong I like Roush and Saleen, I just don't believe that they worth more than a new GT500.

[blkGT500nCA]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

 

 

Perfectly stated.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

 

Why does Roush say, "Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley"

 

But Ford Racing is offering a twin screw kit 624 without an upgraded bottom end.

 

Roush needs it but Ford Racing doesn't? What gives?

 

 

My bet (guess)?

 

Roush offers (or will offer) a warranty, Ford Racing does not or will not.

 

Roush's 540HP 4.6L engine gets new internals and he offers it with a warranty. The same engine with a lower HP rating (435HP in the 427R) and NO internal changes retains the full factory warranty.

 

Ford voids the warranty on their 5.4L 750HP version but gives a warranty with their 660HP version.

 

My personal opinion is that it is all about a Warranty.....push the HP too high and you'd be foolish to offer to fix it for free (without internal mods).

 

 

Again, just my opinion/guess,

Phill

[Reapyr]

My bet (guess)?

 

Roush offers (or will offer) a warranty, Ford Racing does not or will not.

 

Roush's 540HP 4.6L engine gets new internals and he offers it with a warranty. The same engine with a lower HP rating (435HP in the 427R) and NO internal changes retains the full factory warranty.

 

Ford voids the warranty on their 5.4L 750HP version but gives a warranty with their 660HP version.

 

My personal opinion is that it is all about a Warranty.....push the HP too high and you'd be foolish to offer to fix it for free (without internal mods).

 

 

Again, just my opinion/guess,

Phill

 

 

 

That all depends on your dealer. I bought my '11 from Sarasota Ford, and they have their own performance shop. They told me any work done at their dealership no matter what, will still be covered under factory warranty. He gave an example of throwing on the biggest KB with required parts, and if anything blows...they replace it no questions asked.

 

So Rousch offers a 4.6L built...its just a 4.6, at the end of the day. People always say "there's no replacement for displacement", but then theres the rebuttal of that's where boost comes into play. At the end of the day you can only push so much out of that 4.6 before stroking it and then youre adding more limits. Ive been that route with my previous corvette and boost. If people are worried about warranties, then keep your car stock to parts that wont void. Otherwise, to hell with the warranty and go to town.

[chuckstang]

2012 GT500 will get 2.3 blower standard

[chuckstang]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

 

 

Stage 3 Roush's have a fully built motor. They can handle more power than the GT500 due to the use of forged H beam rods vs the I beams we have.

 

Roush is the real deal and they had more to do with our GT500 than Shelby did.

 

Roush=Ford They are one.

 

Also, Roush are eligible for rebates, incentives and all that crap, they actually are not that much more if at all than a new GT500 and they are a lot more car. BUT terrible resale for whatever reason

[GOTVENOMGT500]

2012 GT500 will get 2.3 blower standard

 

 

I'm curious if this is just a feeling or you have contacts. I've waited this long to get a deal done for a 2011 GT500 just the way I want in the color I want, with no doubts the rumors start with what 2012 and suddenly I'm like . I agree giving the BOSS and HP rates with the Roush and Saleen Mustangs the GT500 SHOULD get a bump in HP, but seems that would come at the expensive of the gas guzzler fee again being imposed.

 

I really wish more information would become available on the 2012's so I could make a more educated choice.

[jsvtcobra]

2012 GT500 will get 2.3 blower standard

 

 

I agree with you. Ford racing sells crate 5.4l motor with the TVS, why not just add it to the 2012? I don't believe it is a aluminum block though. So if they did use the TVS would they keep the Aluminum block?

 

ALSO THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT.

 

What you said about the Shelby engine was the same thing that everyone else to include myself said when I owned my Terminators. That the motor could handle the HP. There have been plenty of 800+ Hp shelby's, and even lately even some 900hp shelby's on stock bottom ends (KB LC 3.6l).

[jsvtcobra]

Found this in the Ford Racing website

 

M-6007-A54SC*

Suggested Retail:

$23750.00

Sold in Units of:

Each (1)

The Ford Racing 5.4L aluminum block supercharged engine is an upgraded variant of the 2011 5.4L SVT Mustang engine with numerous updates to the rotating assembly and supercharger.

# Based off the 2011 5.4L SVT Mustang engine with aluminum block and Plasma Transferred Wire Arc (PTWA) cylinder liner technology

# Features H-beam connecting rods, forged pistons, and forged steel crank

# Topped with twin vortices Ford Racing (TVS) supercharger M-6066-MSVTT72

# Includes dual 65mm throttle body M-9926-CJ65

 

The 2011 motor cost $20999.00 (WoW)

that is a deal for the TVS...........

[jsvtcobra]

I believe there is a very good chance that we will see the TVS on the 2012's.

[bamaster]

 

ALSO THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT.

 

Sure there is. It is called boost.

 

The GT500 is without question a fantastic vehicle. But it isn't alone. The Roush Stage 3 is no joke. And why shouldn't there be any value in how rare they are? There were over 3,500 GT500's produced (plus another 500 KR's) in 2009. There are only 103 Stage 3's being produced for 2010 (limited run). A 4.6 with a built bottom end loaded with with the TVS can put down bigger numbers, just as the 5.4 can. Nothing wrong with being loyal, just in being blindly loyal.

 

And remember, that the Stage 3 (as is the P51) do not have the normal ROUSHcharger M90 you see in the 427R's. They have the 2.3 R2300 TVS ROUSHcharger, which is known to put down over 700hp.

 

That's the blower I have, but I'm on a stock motor so I'm not willing to go higher with my hp.

[F150 Duke]

After my trip to Shelby American last Friday and taking the tour I wouldn’t be surprised if the TVS is standard on the 2012. The question was asked why they didn’t use it for the 2011 SuperSnake and the response, along with a grin, was there are not a lot available right now for production as the manufacturer has other production priorities. Now this is just pure speculation on my part, but I found the response odd at the time and it’s making more sense now. As with everything else, it’s a wait and see.

[jsvtcobra]

Sure there is. It is called boost.

 

The GT500 is without question a fantastic vehicle. But it isn't alone. The Roush Stage 3 is no joke. And why shouldn't there be any value in how rare they are? There were over 3,500 GT500's produced (plus another 500 KR's) in 2009. There are only 103 Stage 3's being produced for 2010 (limited run). A 4.6 with a built bottom end loaded with with the TVS can put down bigger numbers, just as the 5.4 can. Nothing wrong with being loyal, just in being blindly loyal.

 

And remember, that the Stage 3 (as is the P51) do not have the normal ROUSHcharger M90 you see in the 427R's. They have the 2.3 R2300 TVS ROUSHcharger, which is known to put down over 700hp.

 

That's the blower I have, but I'm on a stock motor so I'm not willing to go higher with my hp.

 

 

I sorry but I have to disagree with you on your comparison, I just dont see how you can believe the the 4.6 in the Roush is going to be able to make more than the 5.4 in the Shelby. Do you think that for just decided to put a S/C on it and forgot to build the bottom end? I had a Terminator that made 630rwhp on 20lbs with a KB2.4, and later made 815rwhp with a TT setup all on the stock block mind you it had a upgraded fuel system and a few other supporting mods. But it was all done on a stock block, I know what a 4.6 is capable of. I have seen numerous Gt500 make big hp(800rwhp), 1000rwhp with TT setups. How many Roush or Saleen are out there making that much HP on a stock block. Everything I have ever seen has had a built motor and not by Roush or Saleen. I personally have only read Saleen about the SMS mustang that was rated at 750hp, this was the first time that I have heard that Roush had a car that was making 700hp. But that was just me, not that it means that it is not true. I really just dont see how you think the two at the same boost levels will make the same HP.

[jsvtcobra]

 

 

And remember, that the Stage 3 (as is the P51) do not have the normal ROUSHcharger M90 you see in the 427R's. They have the 2.3 R2300 TVS ROUSHcharger, which is known to put down over 700hp.

 

 

 

Where did you read about that, was that blower making it on a shelby? I looked around and didnt find anything about a P51 making 700hp. I did see one make 545rwhp on the dyno, it said it had a tune not sure if they added a pulley.

[bamaster]

Where did you read about that, was that blower making it on a shelby? I looked around and didnt find anything about a P51 making 700hp. I did see one make 545rwhp on the dyno, it said it had a tune not sure if they added a pulley.

 

 

I wasn't saying that the P51 makes 700hp. I was referring to the Roush TVS blower and how it is not the same as their standard M90 roots blower. The TVS is a very capable blower that has been used in a 700hp car. I was responding to your statement that the ROUSHcharger is maxed out at 500-550.

 

I chose the TVS because if I ever wanted to upgrade motors, I could still use the same blower.

[bamaster]

I sorry but I have to disagree with you on your comparison, I just dont see how you can believe the the 4.6 in the Roush is going to be able to make more than the 5.4 in the Shelby. Do you think that for just decided to put a S/C on it and forgot to build the bottom end? I had a Terminator that made 630rwhp on 20lbs with a KB2.4, and later made 815rwhp with a TT setup all on the stock block mind you it had a upgraded fuel system and a few other supporting mods. But it was all done on a stock block, I know what a 4.6 is capable of. I have seen numerous Gt500 make big hp(800rwhp), 1000rwhp with TT setups. How many Roush or Saleen are out there making that much HP on a stock block. Everything I have ever seen has had a built motor and not by Roush or Saleen. I personally have only read Saleen about the SMS mustang that was rated at 750hp, this was the first time that I have heard that Roush had a car that was making 700hp. But that was just me, not that it means that it is not true. I really just dont see how you think the two at the same boost levels will make the same HP.

 

 

 

I didn't write my response well. I didn't mean that the Stage 3 can put down bigger numbers than the GT500. I meant that the Stage 3 can put down bigger numbers than it it does stock. That motor with the TVS is capable of more power, just as the GT500 can be easily and cheaply modded for more power, i.e. pulley swap.

 

That being said, the Stage 3 and GT500 are both good vehicles. There's more to both vehicles than what is under the hood. Roush has a great suspension, and some might say a better exterior/interior. Is a Stage 3 worth more than the GT500? That's subjective. It's great that you love your Shelby, but Shelby isn't the only power pony.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

 

Re: THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT

 

Sure there is. It is called boost.

 

 

 

You're basically arguing semantics.

 

"Boost" is nothing but forced induction.

 

If you take a 5 liter engine and you put 15psi of boost to it, you have *effectively* made it into a 10 liter engine, i.e. doubled the "displacement".

 

There are two ways to create torque (and hosepower is nothing more than a product of torque): Increase displacement and/or increase compression ratio.

 

Forced induction does both.

 

I agree that you are not PHYSICALLY increasing the swept volume of a cylinder but you are still increasing displacement. It is *displacing" 10 liters of A/F rather than the 5 liters you started with.

 

Again, it's just "semantics".....

 

 

Phill

[FordFan1]

I didn't write my response well. I didn't mean that the Stage 3 can put down bigger numbers than the GT500. I meant that the Stage 3 can put down bigger numbers than it it does stock. That motor with the TVS is capable of more power, just as the GT500 can be easily and cheaply modded for more power, i.e. pulley swap.

 

That being said, the Stage 3 and GT500 are both good vehicles. There's more to both vehicles than what is under the hood. Roush has a great suspension, and some might say a better exterior/interior. Is a Stage 3 worth more than the GT500? That's subjective. It's great that you love your Shelby, but Shelby isn't the only power pony.

 

 

Thank you well said-

I drove a Roush 540RH Hammer demo for a afternoon during an open track event, it shares the same drivetrain as the limited edition 2010 Stage 3's with the forged bottom end and R2300 TVS.

http://www.roushperformance.com/performance_vehicles/ford/mustang/2010/540rh.shtml

This particular one was all optioned out with Roush suspension, brakes and RS3 tires. It was a sweet ride, if the 5.0 crate swap doesn't pan out ( I know of one in process right now) to be as easy as I suspect then I may consider upgrading my SGT with the ROUSH P51 powertrain kit (equal to the 2010 Stage3, Hammer etc..) for the 4.6 and go ROUSH power like I have seen a few vintage Shelby owners doing (engine built by Roush).

 

Back on topic, here is a sneak peek at a 2011 ROUSH 5.0 powertrain and TVS setup, this was just posted today-

http://www.teamjdmvideo.com/video/detail/199

 

 

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[texaggie]

Ok, first to the original question. The Roushcharger for the 5.0 is the same one as the Ford Racing one that was just announced. They were developed together by the same manufacturer. (The difference is just name plaque) As of right now neither allow you to keep a warranty. I would bet that the supercharger that is going into the GT350 will be tha same one as well.

 

Next, comparing a 4.6 or a 5.0 to a 5.4 is nearly impossible for obvious reasons. That being said, people should be asking the real question... how good are the Roush engineers considering that they can start with the smallest displacement and build a car that holds a three year warranty and produce 540Hp? (P51) And then on top of that, how good are they really when they do it knowing that the car is capable of over 700Hp with minor tune modifications and a smaller pulley? What is the best the GT500 can do with the same mod adjustments? (a little over 600?)

 

Lastly, realize I say this having owned a 2007 Roush 427 and now owning a 2008 GT500. Bought mostly for the shelby heritage and the fun factor. I still wish I could have kept both. The Roush interior is much better than the Shelby (unless you guy the upgrade interior from shelby, which I have :happy feet: ). I also honestly received more looks and questions about my Roush than my GT500 as well. I will drive my shelby into the ground, rebuild it and drive it into the ground again before I would ever willingly give it up (which would be the main difference betwen it and the Roush, especially since I already traded one in).

 

My point is, loyalty is great, but don't let it cloud reality. I love my university, but that does not mean I expect them to win the BCS this year. (Hell, I'll be happy with 8 to 10 wins and BTHO TU) I don't trade in my school for another just because they are not in favor now. Enjoy your loyalty and our Shelby family, but don't be blind to the world.

[BLUE 2010 SHELBY GT 500]

Thought Roush and Saleen are very nice car it is a joke to compare these cars to the Gt500. They will always no matter how you look at them be just a dressed up GT. I asked a Saleen rep at Mustang Week why is it that the Stage 1 Saleen is more expensive than the Gt500. He said " because they are more rare", that is it? Is that honestly the best he could come up with? Both Roush and Saleen are going for the same prices, the Stage 1's are just as expensive as a Gt500. So how much is a stage 3 going to be? Traditionally there always has been a big price difference between a stage 1 to a stage 3. So that will be one expensive Roush or Saleen. And I believe that the suspension isn't going to be any better than the Gt500s. 500-550hp with this Rouchcharger that thing is maxed out. They even tell you that without telling you that. Capable of well over 600HP with upgraded fuel system, bottom end & smaller pulley. Last time I checked that is a engine rebuild. How much is the average rebuild, $6-7k is usually the starting point and a bottom end rebuild is usually a little more. I really like there creative writing and marketing techniques, 500-550hp. This is all flywheel hp may I remind you. So what is it 500 or 550? That is a pretty big difference. The 11' GT500 is 550hp at the flywheel, not 500 and maybe just maybe 550. And you can do the side by side comparison of a maxed out Roushcharged stage 3 or even a Saleen against the GT500 and even if they were close you could just modify the tune and the tune only and that would set them apart. GT500 has just to much potential, add a TVS, KB, or a Whipple. They honestly just don't compare IMO, and why they are more expensive than the GT500 I will never understand..... Just my .02

 

you said it all i agree all of these roush cars and saleen cars are overpriced and alot of bull on how much faster they are they are also thousands more for what

[FordFan1]

 

My point is, loyalty is great, but don't let it cloud reality. I love my university, but that does not mean I expect them to win the BCS this year. (Hell, I'll be happy with 8 to 10 wins and BTHO TU) I don't trade in my school for another just because they are not in favor now. Enjoy your loyalty and our Shelby family, but don't be blind to the world.

 

Another good point IMO-

I know I am in the minority here..

Some need and want the chest pounding of large dyno numbers while others like myself enjoy the complete performance package. IMO if you don't have a suspension and brake package to use it the dyno numbers don't me squat to me. It's all about putting the power to the ground, ask the guy with the SuperSnake that took a whipping from my 310hp SGT lap after lap during my last track day..

 

My wife enjoy's her Roush and I enjoy my Shelby both for different reasons, I suggest it to anyone because it makes for a awesome marriage. It's like having the best of both worlds (history and present)- also it's refreshing to pop the TV on to watch a race with a piece parked in the garage that reflects the team or engine builder I'm cheering for in the present.

 

I think the best comparision in the case of this thread will be between the new Roushcharged 5.0 and the Shelby GT350.. Again it will be the whole performance package including the price tag on each..

[jsvtcobra]

This is more or less comparing apples to oranges, they both are great. Some prefer apple and some prefer oranges. It is not really about being loyal.

 

Roush and Saleen are both great car I would love to also own a few of these. But it is all about how they are setup. The Roush just has a more efficient S/C. Take that same TVS S/C and you can make from 660-875hp as Evolution Performance kit claims on their website.

 

What I have been getting at is that the to ways start with the mustang GT ( then 4.6 SOHC, now 5.0) platform then add all their parts. Where as the Cobra has always been just a little better, it has had the (then 4.6 DOHC, now 5.4). There have been a few exceptions to the rule where Roush and Saleen has used a Cobra in the past as the platform for their model, and that is rare and nice. I just believe you get more bang for your buck and potential, especially now. To me they are just a little over priced, but they are very nice. As for the interior I love the interior of my 2011, and I have seen some pics and looked at a few at MW in Myrtle Beach and I was not impressed. I wouldn't say that it is any nicer that the the current model GT500's.

 

Roush and Saleen have stepped up the efficiency for there S/C's on their car, I can only believe that Ford will do the same with the 2012's. They already have the aluminum block with the TVS for sale in the FR catalog it only makes sense .

 

As for bamaster I believe you are truly underestimating the potential HP of your Shelby. You dont need to build a motor, boost it, tune it and run some good 93 or better.

 

 

Doesnt say anything about requiring a built motor. http://www.evoperform.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=128_209_211_217&products_id=779